Why is Wallace from The Wire the Human Torch in the Fantastic Four reboot

[Lakers Offseason]

In exodus movie, the white actors are being presented as and Hebrew/Egyptian (different race). In the world of that movie they are acknowledged as Hebrew/Egyptian people.

Human Torch will be black in F4 and acknowledge'd as black in the movie.


How are you not getting this? are you being ignorant on purpose? do you really care that much about looking wrong on a message board filled with people you don't know?

Sure, I understand how you're rationalizing it to fit your argument

 

[BXKingPin82]

Ive said this before on here when the casting was done
now, i dont know the story of this one and how they are all related and know each other
but wasnt the Torch originally an Android or some shyt in the comics?
they could have always went that way with it if they wanted to

 

[PRO BADA$$]

Sure, I understand how you're rationalizing it to fit your argument

implying it could rationalized any other way.

>the black actor is acknowledged as black in the his movie #fact
>the white actors are acknowledged as Hebrew/Egyptian in their movie #fact

so how is it the same? or are you just gunna keep deflecting?

 

[MartyMcFly]

Ive said this before on here when the casting was done
now, i dont know the story of this one and how they are all related and know each other
but wasnt the Torch originally an Android or some shyt in the comics?
they could have always went that way with it if they wanted to

The human torch when Marvel first started and was more of a horror comic shop, was an android but had no connection to the FF or what Stan Lee did. He simply took the name and the idea of a guy who can catch fire and repurposed it.

Either way, point is this: Sue and Johnny, regardless of race, can still be brother and sister, whether it be through adoption or through being step siblings. It doesn't change their relationship, it doesn't make their relationship less meaningful. I pointed out Shawshank Redemption changed the race of one of its main characters and it didn't change the quality of the movie and may have actually enhanced it because we got Morgan Freeman in the movie which just added to it

 

[BXKingPin82]

The human torch when Marvel first started and was more of a horror comic shop, was an android but had no connection to the FF or what Stan Lee did. He simply took the name and the idea of a guy who can catch fire and repurposed it

oh i see

 

[#SOG_soldier]

This is why Marvel needs these characters back yesterday

This is horrible casting and I can't believe Fox would be this fukking stupid to have the Invisible woman with a black brother



How is this possible?

negged for being either a cac or c00n

 

[head shots101]

Should've cast Avon barksdale as mr fantastic

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

i am not philosophically AGAINST a black superman, or batman, or any other black variation on an already iconic character... but at the same time i don't think it's necessary either.

let me ask you this. would you be okay with changing the colors of the costume? like lets say they made a superman movie where he had a green costume and a yellow cape. doesn't it lose that iconisim we associate with him? don't we EXPECT his costume to be blue and red? don't we EXPECT him to look and appear a certain way?

and if you're not okay with changing the color of the costume, then why are you okay with changing the color of his skin? isn't that also a MAJOR visual cue?

 

[MartyMcFly]

i am not philosophically AGAINST a black superman, or batman, or any other black variation on an already iconic character... but at the same time i don't think it's necessary either.

let me ask you this. would you be okay with changing the colors of the costume? like lets say they made a superman movie where he had a green costume and a yellow cape. doesn't it lose that iconisim we associate with him? don't we EXPECT his costume to be blue and red? don't we EXPECT him to look and appear a certain way?

and if you're not okay with changing the color of the costume, then why are you okay with changing the color of his skin? isn't that also a MAJOR visual cue?

If they changed the costume it wouldn't bug me because they do it in comics all of the time. His costume has been black and blue, it's been black red and blue, so I kinda expect it. Grant it they do it in comics to sell comics but they also *sometimes* have good story reasons for doing so. One of the most famous costume changes in comics was with spider-man and it went from something everyone deemed controversial at first to something people love and in some people's minds, that black and white costume is just as iconic as his red and blue

 

[Joe Sixpack]

The human torch when Marvel first started and was more of a horror comic shop, was an android but had no connection to the FF or what Stan Lee did. He simply took the name and the idea of a guy who can catch fire and repurposed it.

Yeah well we are not dealing with the 1940s Android Torch

We are dealing with the Johnny Storm Flame on 1960s Silver Age Torch that we all know..

Nobody gives a fukk about no 1939 Android Torch nikka



The hell is wrong with you dog?

We goin round and round on this shyt what the fukk??

I said they need to stay true to the comic and cartoons

Whatever the dude was in the comic and cartoon is what I wanna see in the movie

Not just making somebody black for no fukkin reason at all

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yeah well we are not dealing with the 1940s Android Torch

We are dealing with the Johnny Storm Flame on 1960s Silver Age Torch..



The hell is wrong with you dog?

We goin round and round on this shyt what the fukk??

I said they need to stay true to the comic and cartoons

Not just making somebody black for no fukkin reason at all

BREH he asked a question about the original incarnation and he wasn't sure so I clarified and answered for him..fall back.

Now back to the original subject: To YOU it's changing it for no reason but for the director and the creative team, that's the direction they wanted to go. Like I said before, Frank Darabont did the same thing for Shawshank Redemption and that seemed to work out just fine for everyone involved. He cast the best actor for the role regardless of race and it added a lot to the movie because Freeman is a great actor. Jordan has been putting in work for a long long time and has turned out several good performances and his relationship with a director paid off for the story the director wanted to tell and how he wanted to tell it. He says he wanted the family to reflect a family of 2015 where it's not taboo for families to be mixed racially and diverse and because he has a personal connection to that so not only do I applaud him for thinking outside of the box and trying to find a personal connection the material, but also for looking beyond race and casting whom he felt was the best man for the job point blank period. When you get your shot at directing a hollywood comic book flick that is no doubt going to be an adaptation of the source material and not a straight up slave by the numbers adaptation, then you get your say and can do what you want. Until that day comes, this is what we have so either you watch it or you don't, it's as simple as that.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

BREH he asked a question about the original incarnation and he wasn't sure so I clarified and answered for him..fall back.

Now back to the original subject: To YOU it's changing it for no reason but for the director and the creative team, that's the direction they wanted to go. Like I said before, Frank Darabont did the same thing for Shawshank Redemption and that seemed to work out just fine for everyone involved. He cast the best actor for the role regardless of race and it added a lot to the movie because Freeman is a great actor. Jordan has been putting in work for a long long time and has turned out several good performances and his relationship with a director paid off for the story the director wanted to tell and how he wanted to tell it. He says he wanted the family to reflect a family of 2015 where it's not taboo for families to be mixed racially and diverse and because he has a personal connection to that so not only do I applaud him for thinking outside of the box and trying to find a personal connection the material, but also for looking beyond race and casting whom he felt was the best man for the job point blank period. When you get your shot at directing a hollywood comic book flick that is no doubt going to be an adaptation of the source material and not a straight up slave by the numbers adaptation, then you get your say and can do what you want. Until that day comes, this is what we have so either you watch it or you don't, it's as simple as that.

I appreciate the directors thought process but that didnt need to be reflected with the FF4. You do that 2015, racially mixed adopted black brother shyt with some other story. That shyt was not needed with the FF4 and it seems forced to me.. Again this is being done by people not affliated with Marvel.. Just leave the FF4 the way it is and you make your statement with some other movie, B.

This movie will flop..

 

[Lakers Offseason]

implying it could rationalized any other way.

>the black actor is acknowledged as black in the his movie #fact
>the white actors are acknowledged as Hebrew/Egyptian in their movie #fact

so how is it the same? or are you just gunna keep deflecting?

Deflecting what exactly? Both Directors have their own interpretation of the original fictional literature.

Johny is being re-written as a black dude. And Ridley re-wrote Egyptians in his movie as white people.

How the fukk do you not understand that the idea is similar?

 

[MartyMcFly]

I appreciate the directors thought process but that didnt need to be reflected with the FF4. You do that 2015, racially mixed adopted black brother shyt with some other story. That shyt was not needed with the FF4 and it seems forced to me.. Again this is being done by people not affliated with Marvel.. Just leave the FF4 the way it is and you make your statement with some other movie, B

This movie will flop..

So the movie will flop because of his choice to put an up and coming black actor in the role? ok gotcha. And it feels forced to you but you're not Josh Trank so unless you're in his head or have had a personal sit down with the man, that doesn't feel right to say. He has his reasons for telling the story this way and cast not only his friend but the guy he feels can best portray the role. It's done all of the damn time in hollywood and it just so happened to work out in Jordan's favor and like I've said and many others in the thread have said, he's probably the best damn actor in the movie and that's no diss to anyone in it because they've all got chops. Mara, Bell, Teller and Kebbel are all doing their thing right now. And on top of that, there are now a slew of people who will probably be more open to seeing the movie now than they'd be if it were a cast of all white people because now they see someone who looks like them and they can recognize that. Now you've opened up the door to a whole group of people who may not have been paying attention before. I've got several friends who are interested in this movie purely because a black actor is in a lead role and not playing the sidekick or a bit part, but actually someone of consequence and because they know he's a good actor.

 

[PRO BADA$$]

i am not philosophically AGAINST a black superman, or batman, or any other black variation on an already iconic character... but at the same time i don't think it's necessary either.

let me ask you this. would you be okay with changing the colors of the costume? like lets say they made a superman movie where he had a green costume and a yellow cape. doesn't it lose that iconisim we associate with him? don't we EXPECT his costume to be blue and red? don't we EXPECT him to look and appear a certain way?

and if you're not okay with changing the color of the costume, then why are you okay with changing the color of his skin? isn't that also a MAJOR visual cue?

It should never be this black and white. Throughout the comic book world a superhero's costume color scheme usually stays in line. Changing a characters race in comic books is something that had been done multiple times. Wouldn't it be safe to say that color scheme changes are far less common that race/ ethnicity changes? So I could totally understand people being more accepting of a race change than a color scheme change, Torch is still going to be covered in red/orange/yellow fire right? That being said i don't think comparing the change of race to the change of costume color scheme drives home any solid point