A lot of older fans say its crazy how MJ pushed Kareem out the GOAT spot, when Kareem was dominant for FAR longer and at a higher level than Jordan in their eyes. Like I said, marketing did wonders for MJs legacy. Imagine never winning more than 1 playoff game before Scottie came along and all of that being swept under the rug.
My dad and I first had this "who do you think is the GOAT" around a decade or so, give or take. Probably a little longer, it was in the early 2010s, because I got outta prison in October 2009. Somewhere in the early 10s I thought to ask him this and it comes up on average once every year or so because he watches ball...
I remember the very first time I asked him this, he told me Kobe and Mike were equals, and he reaffirmed this opinion about 2 years ago. I don't agree with him on this, I personally think Kobe's slightly overrated. But my dad said he doesn't see the gap between Kobe and Mike, literally said "there ain't one"...
When LeBron entered the convo my dad said he could easily make the argument of LeBron as a better player than Mike. And in a nutshell, again this is a 58-year old nikka who watched all that 80s ball in real time that nikkas who were kids glamorize on here, he gets tired of people "overrating" how good those Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers were in the 80s. But he will point out how Mike wasn't winning championships when those teams were winning...
My dad was a Sixers and Bucks fan coming up, still roots for those teams lightweight. Dr J Super Stan
Hates the Lakers, hates the Celtics, and he likes Mike and says he clearly has a case as GOAT, but never once thought I the 80s or 90s that he was watching THE greatest player ever...
He likes Kareem but doesn't think he the GOAT either, my dad is more along the lines of, there can be no one GOAT because the game evolves and changes with each era, nikkas are not playing the same competition under the same rules. I get that, I slightly disagree with this too, because I think there are a literal handful of guys that stand out regardless of era (Bron and Mike would transcend any era of ball), but I get that line of thought. Don't tell me someone is greater than someone because he dominated ___ era when the dudes we comparing him to were of a different era...
I did time in the 00s and met plenty of OGs who valued other guys as GOAT and/or just don't think Mike is "the" GOAT. This is not a unique viewpoint and we know mad older NBA guys don't see Mike as the GOAT either. Only on this board with everyone younger than Mike by 15 years plus, do nikkas act like it's blasphemous that you don't see Mike as GOAT. We all know the consensus opinion says he is, and we all know why. But it's not unusual to find guys who don't think Mike is GOAT if you've talked to enough people...
This reminds me,
@Scientific Playa is the only poster on here older than Mike. Do you follow ball, and if so where do you stand in relation to Mike and the GOAT debate?