Why is Michael Jordan generally considered to be the GOAT? What would you say to persuade me to believe he's the best if I don't think so? šŸ« 

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In what aspects of basketball did Lebron pass MJ? It ainā€™t dominance over era, it ainā€™t chips, it ainā€™t advanced metrics, it ainā€™t average box score stats, it ainā€™t impact, it ainā€™t relevance, it ainā€™t popularity, then what is it? Longevity? Counting numbers based on longevity?
You got kd ranked higher then curry why is that? But on a more serious note I just tried to look and see where u made that statement about kd being better then curry and breh do you know since July 11th all your posts have been about lebron James. I don't even expect a reply to this but you nikkas wild lol
 

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The only advantage Lebron has over Jordan is the fact Jordan retired 20 years ago and most Lebron fans that have an opinion about Jordan

(1) Did not watch Jordan play at all

(2) Only watched Jordan play towards the very tale end of his career in the Wizards or the last 3 years in the Bulls
So what's your excuse then, you're like 27 or 28 šŸ¤£ you weren't born before 1995 at the earliest so how the fukk you come to the conclusion a man you never saw is the greatest player ever šŸ¤£

This also isn't true anyway. Again my dad was born in 1965, saw Mike play in person in college, watched his entire career college to pro. Does not think Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever. Plenty of guys older than Mike don't think he's the GOAT, they saw dudes before him play...

This nikka said "LeBron isnā€™t that good"...
You got kd ranked higher then curry why is that? But on a more serious note I just tried to look and see where u made that statement about kd being better then curry and breh do you know since July 11th all your posts have been about lebron James. I don't even expect a reply to this but you nikkas wild lol
Bruh that nugga loves him some LeBron. He on a 2-week binge, he goes on these binges time to time where the only thing he talks about is LeBron šŸ¤£
 

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So what's your excuse then, you're like 27 or 28 šŸ¤£ you weren't born before 1995 at the earliest so how the fukk you come to the conclusion a man you never saw is the greatest player ever šŸ¤£

This also isn't true anyway. Again my dad was born in 1965, saw Mike play in person in college, watched his entire career college to pro. Does not think Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever. Plenty of guys older than Mike don't think he's the GOAT, they saw dudes before him play...

This nikka said "LeBron isnā€™t that good"...

Bruh that nugga loves him some LeBron. He on a 2-week binge, he goes on these binges time to time where the only thing he talks about is LeBron šŸ¤£

A lot of older fans say its crazy how MJ pushed Kareem out the GOAT spot, when Kareem was dominant for FAR longer and at a higher level than Jordan in their eyes. Like I said, marketing did wonders for MJs legacy. Imagine never winning more than 1 playoff game before Scottie came along and all of that being swept under the rug.
 

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Itā€™s because heā€™s the only one with a complete dikk riding industrial complex behind him , same with Tom Brady in the nfl
You might be on to something. Has nothing to do with all the championships they won while dominating its all because of the industrial complex backing them.:mjlol:
 

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A lot of older fans say its crazy how MJ pushed Kareem out the GOAT spot, when Kareem was dominant for FAR longer and at a higher level than Jordan in their eyes. Like I said, marketing did wonders for MJs legacy. Imagine never winning more than 1 playoff game before Scottie came along and all of that being swept under the rug.
My dad and I first had this "who do you think is the GOAT" around a decade or so, give or take. Probably a little longer, it was in the early 2010s, because I got outta prison in October 2009. Somewhere in the early 10s I thought to ask him this and it comes up on average once every year or so because he watches ball...

I remember the very first time I asked him this, he told me Kobe and Mike were equals, and he reaffirmed this opinion about 2 years ago. I don't agree with him on this, I personally think Kobe's slightly overrated. But my dad said he doesn't see the gap between Kobe and Mike, literally said "there ain't one"...

When LeBron entered the convo my dad said he could easily make the argument of LeBron as a better player than Mike. And in a nutshell, again this is a 58-year old nikka who watched all that 80s ball in real time that nikkas who were kids glamorize on here, he gets tired of people "overrating" how good those Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers were in the 80s. But he will point out how Mike wasn't winning championships when those teams were winning...

My dad was a Sixers and Bucks fan coming up, still roots for those teams lightweight. Dr J Super Stan šŸ¤£ Hates the Lakers, hates the Celtics, and he likes Mike and says he clearly has a case as GOAT, but never once thought I the 80s or 90s that he was watching THE greatest player ever...

He likes Kareem but doesn't think he the GOAT either, my dad is more along the lines of, there can be no one GOAT because the game evolves and changes with each era, nikkas are not playing the same competition under the same rules. I get that, I slightly disagree with this too, because I think there are a literal handful of guys that stand out regardless of era (Bron and Mike would transcend any era of ball), but I get that line of thought. Don't tell me someone is greater than someone because he dominated ___ era when the dudes we comparing him to were of a different era...

I did time in the 00s and met plenty of OGs who valued other guys as GOAT and/or just don't think Mike is "the" GOAT. This is not a unique viewpoint and we know mad older NBA guys don't see Mike as the GOAT either. Only on this board with everyone younger than Mike by 15 years plus, do nikkas act like it's blasphemous that you don't see Mike as GOAT. We all know the consensus opinion says he is, and we all know why. But it's not unusual to find guys who don't think Mike is GOAT if you've talked to enough people...

This reminds me, @Scientific Playa is the only poster on here older than Mike. Do you follow ball, and if so where do you stand in relation to Mike and the GOAT debate?
 

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What's your point?
I believe his point is why are you looking at just those two seasons trying to make a point.

And are you familiar with the Bulls teams of ā€˜84 and ā€˜85? You understand they sucked so bad that thatā€™s how they got MJ in the first place? He went to a team that was 27-55. So to say he didnā€™t win any playoff games in the first two years means nothing. Oh and he basically missed the entire second season with a broken foot.
 
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