Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

[RickyDiBiase]

If our numbers increased they can't ignore us. But too many are stuck on the Dems and their billion dollar donors. It's sad.

"if our numbers increase!"

 

[Seoul Gleou]

formula for easy plat is to put Democrats, PAWG, or Tariq in your title. 6 pages like its nothing

 

[Fill Collins]

They said the same thing about every worker's right we have today.

The very same rights the Republican party is actively destroying rn

You live in a two party system, one of those parties has a young, democratic socialist wing — vote locally, in special elections and your midterms if you want real change

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

formula for easy plat is to put Democrats, PAWG, or Tariq in your title. 6 pages like its nothing

Using this anecdote to get a plat for my struggle ass threads

 

[feelosofer]

Donald Trump won the election almost 3 months ago and people have been jumping up and down on the crushed remains of the current Democratic party while we watched a third of the country pretty much open their mouths for Donald Trump's decrepit oligarchical piss.

Does the Democratic party need to change? Absolutely. But what just happened was basically a reverse Obama but the results could change America forever.

 

[Drip Bayless]

This dude voted third party with Trump on the ballot. You’re obviously white, instead of asking Dems to take accountability ask your white brethren why they’d rather vote for a incompetent fascist than vote for the dem nominee who actually offered policy positions that would have made their life better

Like I said before, anyone who is not intelligent enough to form an actual rebuttal instead of hurling insults and memes will be ignored. But just so others see this reply: This idiot thinks he cracked the code by assuming every third party voter is white. Touch some grass. Instead of crying about third-party voters, maybe ask why your party couldn’t beat an incompetent fascist despite outspending him by hundreds of millions. But nah, keep coping and blaming everyone except the people actually running the losing campaign. Maybe that’ll work out for you next time. You idiots still talking about third parties knowing if every third party voter voted for Kamala SHE STILL WOULD'VE LOST. It doesnt get any dumber

 

[Luke Cage]

If our numbers increased they can't ignore us. But too many are stuck on the Dems and their billion dollar donors. It's sad.

Yes, if you actually make third party candidate electable. You will no longer be ignored. But until then you will.

 

[OVER]

Democrats like fighting boxing matches blindfolded with one hand tied behind their backs while republicans got brass knuckles. That’s the only explanation for why they force unpopular candidates and do nothing to challenge republican propaganda, antagonizing young men for years while pandering to sex workers, lgbt, and talking about abortion like it was a right of passage that every chick has.

 

[Drip Bayless]

Third party voters are basically non voters. They don't actually participate. Might as well ignore just like the politicians do

Haha the classic ‘if you don’t vote for my team, your vote doesn’t count’ take. Hate to break it to you, but third-party voters do participate, they just refuse to be held hostage by a broken duopoly that offers them nothing. If your strategy is to ignore them, congratulations, you’ve adopted the same losing strategy the Dems just implemented. Maybe instead of whining about third-party voters, you should ask why your party would've lost even if you hadnt ignored them and every single one of them voted for the dems

 

[Left.A1]

 

[Outlaw]

Like I said before, anyone who is not intelligent enough to form an actual rebuttal instead of hurling insults and memes will be ignored. But just so others see this reply: This idiot thinks he cracked the code by assuming every third party voter is white. Touch some grass. Instead of crying about third-party voters, maybe ask why your party couldn’t beat an incompetent fascist despite outspending him by hundreds of millions. But nah, keep coping and blaming everyone except the people actually running the losing campaign. Maybe that’ll work out for you next time. You idiots still talking about third parties knowing if every third party voter voted for Kamala SHE STILL WOULD'VE LOST. It doesnt get any dumber

Nothing I said was inflammatory? You took it as an insult because what said was true.

You voting third party with Trump on the ballot screams white male who won’t be impacted by Trunp’s racist policies.

What I said was completely valid. It’s not minorities who are unwilling to practice class politics, it’s white men. You need to ask your brethren why they are unwilling to come together with minorities to materially improve the lives of themselves and others.

Throughout history your people have shot themselves in the foot to keep other races down. Ask them for accountability not the party who is actually fighting to materially improve peoples lives

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Nothing I said was inflammatory? You took it as an insult because what said was true.

You voting third party with Trump on the ballot screams white male who won’t be impacted by Trunp’s racist policies.

What I said was completely valid. It’s not minorities who are unwilling to practice class politics, it’s white men. You need to ask your brethren why they are unwilling to come together with minorities to materially improve the lives of themselves and others.

Throughout history your people have shot themselves in the foot to keep other races down. Ask them for accountability not the party who is actually fighting to materially improve peoples lives

/thread.

 

[Big Blue]

Democrats like fighting boxing matches blindfolded with one hand tied behind their backs while republicans got brass knuckles. That’s the only explanation for why they force unpopular candidates and do nothing to challenge republican propaganda, antagonizing young men for years while pandering to sex workers, lgbt, and talking about abortion like it was a right of passage that every chick has.

What does it matter when the electorate can't tell the difference? Dearborn is one of the most heavily Muslim districts in America and voted for Trump thinking that he'd bring peace to Gaza. Now he wants to make it the Israeli Dubai. Populism is no joke, even amongst the informed.

 

[Drip Bayless]

But that's the thing. You can offer someone a slate of policies that would materially improve their lives, but how do you break through their opposition to those same policies being extended to people outside their "culture"? Remember the New Deal? It was incredibly popular until Black people started gaining access to its benefits, at which point support among white conservatives eroded. The same dynamic played out with desegregation, welfare, and even healthcare reform. The right's messaging is effective not just because it exploits "economic anxiety" but because it ties material well-being to identity, which in turn convinces people that their status depends on keeping "others" down.

So yea, you need an emotionally compelling alternative, but it has to account for the fact that most of these voters aren't just being misled or manipulated, but are actively invested in the hierarchy that they feel benefits them, even when it doesn't. How do you counter a worldview where losing your place at the top feels like you're being oppressed simply because someone else is getting some benefit, too? That's the challenge, and simply offering better policies isn't enough if those policies are perceived as a threat to their place in society.

I still believe those policies should be fought for anyway because they serve a greater societal good. Still...

This is a good take on how racism has been weaponized to undermine economic solidarity, but the idea that most of these voters are actively invested in the hierarchy oversimplifies things. White people have been conditioned to see economic gains for marginalized groups as a loss for themselves, but that conditioning was created, maintained, and reinforced by the ruling class precisely because economic solidarity is a threat to their power. The fact that racism has eroded support for social programs doesn’t mean that building a working class coalition is impossible, it means that the GOP has been better at dividing people than the Dems has been at uniting them. The New Deal wasn’t undone just because white conservatives suddenly got mad that Black people were benefiting it was also systematically dismantled by corporate elites and political operatives who spent decades turning economic justice into a "racial handout" issue. That process was engineered, not inevitable. The question isn’t just “How do you convince people to abandon a racialized hierarchy?” it’s “How do you prevent the ruling class from using race to divide working-class people in the first place?” That’s where the left has consistently failed. The right gives these voters an emotionally compelling story, a worldview where they are the rightful owners of prosperity, and "others" are taking from them. The left, instead of aggressively countering that narrative with an equally powerful alternative, usually defaults to either shaming those voters or some identity politics that only appeals to minorities and does nothing to address the financial hardship we're all feeling.

Historically, when class based movements have been strong enough, they've cut through racial division whether it was the multiracial labor movements of the early 20th century or even the temporary but real cross racial support for things like Social Security and Medicare before they were racialized by right wing propaganda. If the right can convince a struggling worker that an immigrant or Black person is their enemy, then the Dems should be able to convince them that the billionaire exploiting all of them is the real enemy. The fact that this hasn’t happened isnt proof that it’s impossible, it’s proof that the Dem's refuse to do it because they are beholden to the same corporate overlords.

 

[Gloxina]

Ya'll are really over thinking an election that was won by only 1.5%