Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

[Drip Bayless]

I agree with most of what you're saying. Structural forces *are* real, but people aren't mindless puppets; they still have agency and make choices, even under a rigged system. Writing off voter responsibility ignores the fact that many *do* break through the propaganda, organize, and fight for change. The problem isn't just the system, it's also the refusal to hold voters accountable for enabling it, even when the truth is right in front of them.

Take Utah for example. It is a pretty big union state, but it has a red trifecta government. And now that government is on the verge of killing collective bargaining. These voters aren't ignorant of what's happening, they see the policies, feel the consequences, and still double down on supporting the same politicians stripping away their power. That's not just systemic manipulation; it's voters enabling a system that eats them alive and still asking for more. Structural forces might set the stage, but at some point, voters have to own the role they play in sustaining their own exploitation.

I do agree we can not and should not absolve people of the responsibility of their choices, my point was that to boil the discussion down to "They're stupid and racist. End of story." is both lazy and politically useless. If the goal is to actually change things, then just blaming voters for being dumb and racist ignores the larger forces at play that shape their decisions. People have agency, but agency isn’t exercised in a vacuum. Utah’s union workers, for example, aren’t just making individual choices independent of their environment, they are living in a deeply entrenched conservative political and media ecosystem that has spent decades conditioning them to vote against their own material interests. Simply lecturing or ridiculing them isn’t a political strategy. If people are enabling their own exploitation, the question isn’t just "why are they so stupid?" It’s why does the alt right's message resonate more than the Dem’s, and what can be done to counteract that? You don’t fix a broken political consciousness by scolding people, you fix it by offering an alternative that is stronger and more emotionally compelling than the one they’re currently following

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Well one issue since 2016 is that they are neck deep in neoliberalism and moderates are determined to keep the power in the power.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

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you do realize that New Zealand and Germany having more than just two parties doesn't equate them to the same dynamic as to over here right? Like you do know they have to sometimes form collations with other parties and the like in order to have a functioning government...

right? you at least understand that basic fact.

I wish we had a parliament or ranked choice voting so leftists would stop complaining and go accomplish something.

 

[Fill Collins]

There is already socialism in America actually.

For the 1% — I said real socialism, not privatized gains or social benefits, which are being gutted rn

 

[AnonymityX1000]

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you do realize that New Zealand and Germany having more than just two parties doesn't equate them to the same dynamic as to over here right? Like you do know they have to sometimes form collations with other parties and the like in order to have a functioning government...

right? you at least understand that basic fact.

Yes and?

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Well one issue since 2016 is that they are neck deep in neoliberalism and moderates are determined to keep the power in the power.

Because Moderates actually win elections.

Word to Bubba and Obeezy....both re-elected.

 

[Fill Collins]

I wish we had a parliament or ranked choice voting so leftists would stop complaining and go accomplish something.

They have that in India too iirc

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Yes and?

yeah you not being serious.

 

[The Wall Brother]

I do agree we can not and should not absolve people of the responsibility of their choices, my point was that to boil the discussion down to "They're stupid and racist. End of story." is both lazy and politically useless. If the goal is to actually change things, then just blaming voters for being dumb and racist ignores the larger forces at play that shape their decisions. People have agency, but agency isn’t exercised in a vacuum. Utah’s union workers, for example, aren’t just making individual choices independent of their environment, they are living in a deeply entrenched conservative political and media ecosystem that has spent decades conditioning them to vote against their own material interests. Simply lecturing or ridiculing them isn’t a political strategy. If people are enabling their own exploitation, the question isn’t just "why are they so stupid?" It’s why does the alt right's message resonate more than the Dem’s, and what can be done to counteract that? You don’t fix a broken political consciousness by scolding people, you fix it by offering an alternative that is stronger and more emotionally compelling than the one they’re currently following

 

[AnonymityX1000]

yeah you not being serious.

You brought that up for what reason?
You admit the two party system has got us in a bad spot right now but you are still this attached to it? Buy a backbone dude.

 

[Drip Bayless]

The influencers that parrot Republican talking points do it for free, like Adin Ross, and Akademiks

People like Kai or Figgmunity are non political

I can guarantee Kai Cenat wouldn't want to get involved because it would cut into his bottom line

Compare to vote or die campaign with Diddy

Social media was a game changer, and attitudes have changed over time. See Black ppl on Twitter using the "im not trying to sound woke but"


It's over for the time being

I get what you're saying about influencers and social media. It's still surprising how much power they have now. The Dems were definitely slow to adapt. What matters most now is figuring out how to shape authentic narratives and engage with people in a way that feels genuine, not phony. The Dems can't just flood the zone like Republicans do with disinformation, they'd never get away with it. I'm not saying that because I think they're some morally superior truth-tellers, it's just that they face a different standard. They really should have listened to younger voters and focused more on grassroots efforts in these spaces.

The GOP has found a way to 'flood the zone' with disinformation, while making it feel authentic. Meanwhile, Dems keep trying to insert themselves into these spaces with cringeworthy campaigns that feel corporate and out of touch. They needed to tap into existing communities and create content that actually resonates instead of throwing money at ad buys and hope for the best. People like Kai Cenat don’t want to alienate their audience by going full political, but that’s where a smarter strategy should be implemented. Instead of asking them to make endorsements, Dems should have built narratives around class and economic fairness without making it feel like a forced political ad. The GOP figured this out a long time ago. Their propaganda is disguised as entertainment and community discourse. Dems still act like voters are just waiting for the next ‘Vote or Die’ campaign, when in reality, they should be cultivating longer term culturally embedded narratives that make these progressive values feel like common sense instead of a partisan pitch

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

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You brought that up for what reason?
You admit the two party system has got us in a bad spot right now but you are still this attached to it? Buy a backbone dude.

First, he needs to stop hallucinating in his bedroom for that to happen. It's because of out of touch posters that find that moron intelligent and funny that the Democrat party lost.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

You brought that up for what reason?
You admit the two party system has got us in a bad spot right now but you are still this attached to it? Buy a backbone dude.

Parliamentary systems aren't full proof is my main point.

If you actually understood that (you don't) you'd wouldn't be acting as if they were the silver bullet to issues plaguing the US

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Why is it so hard for any human to take accountability?

FTFY

 

[RickyDiBiase]

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First, he needs to stop hallucinating in his bedroom for that to happen. It's because of out of touch posters that find that moron intelligent and funny that the Democrat party lost.

Out of touch?

You literally dikk ride Elon Musk- whose well on his way to be a trillionaire if he has his way.

Also, you were quiet as a church mouse when he and the rest of his flunkies were fanning the flames of those race riots ya'll had, but you were nowhere to be seen nor heard of despite being all up in our buisness

White man's dikk must be too good for you to hop off of it, huh?