Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

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It’s very vague. You still can’t say even after multiple interactions with me what the Democrats did in plain english. Watch you still not say anything. What did they do?

The only difference between Obama/Trump and Bernie is that Obama/Trump were outsiders that were so popular they made their parties kiss the ring. They got the votes. Whereas Bernie was an outsider that didn’t.

You will not find any information on the Democrats trying to suppress Obama in favor for Clinton. The DNC stayed out of it and let them sling mud at each other. And the RNC got behind Trump right after the first primary if I remember correctly

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2015/05/15/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228

TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign

Several consultants who work at firms retained by Hillary Clinton's campaign and her affiliated Super PACs appear on TV frequently touting Clinton.

theintercept.com

Here is an alternative link if you can't use the one above.

https://archive.is/O1Hdi

The War on Bernie Sanders

The Democratic Party elite has launched a virtually unprecedented attack against Bernie Sanders.

jacobin.com

Sanders' wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here's how they plan to stop it.

Party members and fundraisers gathered for an invitation-only event to figure out how to counteract the rising progressive movement.

www.nbcnews.com

Democratic Ops Try to Launch Anti-Bernie Attack Network

Those operatives have had early talks about putting together an effort to stop the Vermonter should he break through in Iowa. But, so far, they’ve had few bites.

www.thedailybeast.com

DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention

The talks reveal rising anxiety over the Vermont senator's momentum on the eve of voting.

www.politico.com

Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders (Published 2020)

Interviews with dozens of Democratic Party officials, including 93 superdelegates, found overwhelming opposition to handing Mr. Sanders the nomination if he fell short of a majority of delegates.

www.nytimes.com

 

[posterchild336]

Check this out..pured black votes and hid it

 

[TEH]

while we spend the next four years blaming democrats. What are we going to do about republicans currently in power?

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[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Didn't read im just here to farm for democrat shills to block

Don't forget to block this hallucinating poster that epitomises everything wrong with the out of touch thecoli.

 

[NZA]

All over this board and in real life I'm constantly inundated by talk of how stupid and racist American voters are, "they voted for this", "
... "they get what they deserve," yadda yadda. As if the outcomes of our elections are purely the result of rational, independent choices made by an informed populace. The irony is this is the exact kind of take that highlights just how ignorant Americans are, that people actually believe for a second that we have free elections. Americans are ignorant for sure, they're ignorant of the massive structural forces that shape voting behavior: corporate media propaganda, billionaire-funded disinformation, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the corporate backed duopoly system that all work together to make us think we have the illusion of choice.

Only the ignorant would assume voters have a magical love of billionaires or are all inherently too stupid to vote in their best interest. Because Americans have been systematically conditioned to accept a false reality, where class solidarity is buried under culture wars, and the most powerful forces in the world work overtime to convince them that their enemies are immigrants, minorities, and homosexuals instead corporations and the 1% hoarding their wealth. Every election cycle, the ruling class spends trillions to control the narrative and manufacture consent for policies that serve the elite.

Yet, when things go south, the blame never ever falls on the corporate donors, the politicians who sabotage progress, or the billionaire-owned media networks that push propaganda 24/7. Instead, it’s always, “the voters are just too stupid.” The real danger in this analysis isn't the laziness, but the fact that it’s exactly what the ruling class wants people to believe. If you convince people that change is impossible because "the masses are just too dumb," then you remove any accountability from the actual forces rigging the system and ensure that nothing ever changes. If Democrats geniuinely believe that a significant portion of this country is too racist or too ignorant to vote for a Black woman, then isn’t it an even bigger strategic failure that they didn’t account for that reality in their strategy? Either you believe in the voters’ ability to make rational choices and win them over, or you acknowledge their shortcomings and adjust your strategy accordingly. If the electorate is flawed, it’s not enough to just complain about it. A competent political party adjusts to reality and finds ways to win anyway. They don’t actually want to challenge the system in a way that would meaningfully redistribute power or wealth, because they are embedded in that system. That’s why they embrace symbolic progressivism like black faces in high places and identity politics, while refusing to push real economic populism or structural change.

Do American voters fall for racist, reactionary rhetoric? Absolutely. Do American voters vote based on culture war bullshyt rather than policy? Of course. But writing off the electorate as irredeemable ignores the fact that the vast majority of progressive policies are actually popular when they're not attached to individuals or parties. The problem isn’t that Americans are inherently stupid or racist, it’s that the Dems are an integral part of the ruling class itself, and they will crush any populist resistance before it can threaten elite control.

No the voters didn’t just choose this in some vacuum of perfect rationality. If you’re mad at the outcomes of our elections, don’t just blame the voters, blame the oligarchs who buy our politicians, the media that launders their narratives, and the politicians who sell out their own base for corporate money. Anything else is just playing into their hands.

the day of complaining to democrats to do this or that is over. you cant reform capitalism, and capitalism doesnt sit still - we are heading into a type of feudalism and democracy is being eroded every year by both parties. in the past, i tried being in denial about that fact but the way things have developed, it's simply undeniable now. strengthen your local community materially and intellectually. that's it.

 

[DatLBCGuy562]

So instead of holding republicans accountable, lets blame dems.

got it.

That Tariq c00nsheed playbook

 

[O.T.I.S.]

while we spend the next four years blaming democrats. What are we going to do about republicans currently in power?

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Meanwhile… while c00ns are looking for someone to blame, the idiots who voted MAGAt are kind of having a ball while secretly worried about their Medicaid and SNAP benefits being removed in 2-3 weeks

 

[Drip Bayless]

Truth

Unfortunately the masses being too stupid might be actually TRUE ( not to take away from your point because I agree with you)

Most of this board can't walk and chew gum at the same time and only know how to look at politics from a binary perspective.

If this board represents most people then sadly I'm not surprised we are where we are.

Yeah I touched on that irony in my OG post. It's ironic how the same people who think that they are so intelligent, while failing to recognize their own lack of critical thinking. They cling to a binary view of politics, chanting "vote blue no matter who,"Like, congratulations, you figured out that Republicans are bad something the actual thinkers of society have known for decades. That’s not insight, that’s the bare minimum level of awareness. These people act like saying ‘Vote Blue No Matter Who’ is some deep political analysis when it’s actually just lazy, thoughtless obedience to a party that refuses to earn votes. Acknowledging that the GOP evil doesn’t excuse Democratic incompetence. These people show up once every four years, pat themselves on the back for "saving democracy," and then disappear until the next presidential election, never voting in local races, never organizing, never supporting their community in any meaningful way. But they’ll be the first ones to lecture others about "civic duty" while doing the absolute bare minimum. Meanwhile, Republicans are out here playing the long game, dominating state legislatures, school boards, and the courts, while these folks think casting a single vote for a corporate-approved democrat every four years is some revolutionary act. It’s political laziness disguised as moral superiority.

Like, are you an imbecile? The dems have been blaming the GOP for years, and it’s gotten them nowhere. If ‘republicans bad’ was a winning strategy, Trump wouldn’t be back right now. Screaming ‘It’s all the GOP’s fault!’ over and over does nothing politically. We already know they’re corrupt, we already know they’re dangerous, what matters is why the dems keep failing to stop them. If a coach loses every game and only blames the other team, at some point you have to ask why they’re still the coach. People acting like questioning Democratic failures is some kind of betrayal are the same ones who keep watching the same strategy fail and pretending it’s genius.

 

[Drip Bayless]

the day of complaining to democrats to do this or that is over. you cant reform capitalism, and capitalism doesnt sit still - we are heading into a type of feudalism and democracy is being eroded every year by both parties. in the past, i tried being in denial about that fact but the way things have developed, it's simply undeniable now. strengthen your local community materially and intellectually. that's it.

I touched on the need for local collective action earlier when someone asked 'What should we do for the next four years besides blaming Dems?', as if just saying 'Republicans bad!' over and over is going to materially improve anyone’s life. The idea that we should just focus all our energy on complaining about the obvious villains instead of building real power outside the system is the height of dumbassery. At this point, national politics is a spectacle,if people actually want change, they need to strengthen their local communities and support labor movements. Blaming voters and telling people to just "vote harder" isn’t a movement, it’s another excuse for inaction.

 

[Drip Bayless]

Well that's your 1st and most fatal mistake. But populace is not informed. And to call the choice rational, is to say you don't understand what rational means.

Read the post again, either you didnt read it or read it too fast because thats not what I said

 

[Drip Bayless]

It seems like we're talking past each other. I'm not arguing that elites were passive observers, nor am I denying that they deliberately reinforced and weaponized racial divisions to protect their interests. I fully acknowledge that racism was cultivated as a tool of power and that class solidarity was actively suppressed through laws, propaganda, and economic structures.

Where we seem to diverge is the extent to which we weigh elite influence versus personal responsibility. My point isn't that elites had no role or that their interventions didn't matter, of course they did. But no matter how much conditioning, manipulation, or structural reinforcement exists, individuals still make choices. Yes, elites engineered racial divisions, but white workers still bought into them, upheld them, and often enthusiastically reinforced them. They weren't just manipulated; they were also willing participants because the system gave them tangible incentives.

To use your analogy: Yes, oil companies deliberately engineered dependence on fossil fuels. But people weren't just passive victims of that engineering, some resisted, some pushed for alternatives, and many didn't because they benefited from the system. The same applies here. The ruling class didn't have to force white workers to reject class solidarity, they just had to make sure the incentives were in place. White workers then made the choice to prioritize racial status over class solidarity, even when alternatives were possible.

So I'm not dismissing elite manipulation as an afterthought, I recognize it as a key factor. I just believe that individual agency played an even bigger role in sustaining the system, because at the end of the day, white workers had the option to resist and overwhelmingly chose not to. That's why I put more weight on personal responsibility than elite influence. And that's why I believe it will take those people breaking that system to move forward. The message itself doesn't matter if they aren't willing to hear it. If people aren't open to changing first, then nothing is going to change.

I get what you’re saying, and I think we actually agree on a lot more than we disagree on. Where we diverge is the weight you put on individual responsibility over systemic reinforcement. Whites made choices, but those choices were structured and incentivized in a way that made racism the easiest, most rewarding option. Sure, individuals could have chosen class solidarity over whiteness, but it wasn’t just a moral failing that kept them from doing so, it was a systemic design that punished defection and rewarded compliance. To extend the fossil fuel analogy: yes, some people pushed for alternatives, but who controlled the infrastructure, the economy, and the messaging? Oil companies bought out competitors, lobbied to kill alternative energy policies, and flooded the media with propaganda convincing people that the climate crisis is their fault with some carbon footprint BS. The power imbalance made sure the "choice" wasn’t actually as free as it seemed.

Same thing with racism. If rejecting class solidarity meant you lost your job, your home, your status, or even your life (e.g. labor movements violently crushed, Black and white organizers literally murdered for uniting workers), then it's no surprise that whites took the path of least resistance. I don’t absolve white people of their racism, but the powers that be economically disincentivized unity, ensuring that racism was the easier, more rewarding path while class solidarity was actively punished.

Saying white workers naturally rejected class solidarity solely because of racism is like saying capitalism is the natural state of humanity because people are selfish. Prejudice exists, always has, but white supremacy and racism are different things. White supremacy is a deliberate system, cultivated and maintained to serve the interests of the ruling class. It wasn’t just that white people were born racist that kept white workers from uniting with Black workers it was a structured economic and political system that made sure racism was the easier choice. I’m not saying individual choices don’t matter, there were plenty of white people even back in the slavery days who took a stand and knew that shyt was wrong, but to take that route was to live life as a white person on a harder difficulty than a typical white man. I’m saying those choices were shaped within a system where rejecting racism was costly, socially and economically, while upholding it was incentivized and often rewarded. Individuals make choices, those choices aren’t made in a vacuum.

 

[Drip Bayless]

Alright, I thought you were arguing in good faith, but you're just another bad actor.

‘bad actor’ = ‘I can’t refute anything you said, so I’m gonna cry about it instead.’


If you actually had a point, you’d be refuting what I said instead of whining about "bad faith." Go ahead, explain how the dems, with every advantage (more money, more institutional power, a deeply unpopular opponent, favorable mainstream media coverage, a fear based narrative) except Twitter, still managed to fumble this hard. I’ll wait.
These idiots were actually out there parading fukking Liz Cheney around thinking that would get them votes

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Go ahead, explain how the dems, with every advantage (more money, more institutional power, a deeply unpopular opponent, favorable mainstream media coverage, a fear based narrative) except Twitter, still managed to fumble this hard. I’ll wait.

more money maybe, but certainly not more institutional power.
can't be all that deeply unpopular if he swept the electoral college and won the popular vote.
yes, the liberal media didn't bothsides any of their coverage.

how did they fumble? economy and ran the wrong campaign.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Oh look, another thread that's running interference for the GOP. I hope Elon isn't short-changing y'all.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Y'all still apathetic about Trump.

Y'all still kicking the #bothsides bullshyt.

When will people who didn't vote against Trump take accountability? That's the only group who could have made a difference.

After everything Trump has already done you're still not convinced. I'll never understand.