Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

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I'll leave it at this.

If you were aware of how presidential elections have gone over the past 30+ years you'd understand that not voting/third party voting has historically harmed democrats more than republicans.

You took the warning laid out before you as condescending. I took the warning and voted accordingly.

That simple.

:manny:

In 92 third party voting hurt George Bush Sr. When he ran against Bill Clinton. Some people have said if Ross Perot hadn't run for president Bush Sr. would have won.
 

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When Bernie was about to win the nomination and Dem leadership sabotaged it. Thanks for playing. lol

STOP SAYING THIS DUMB ASS SH*T.

You sound mad dumb. Bernie lost because he didn't know how to speak to black people. They asked this man multiple times about black issues and his response was always "the working class", "the working class". Black people CORRECTLY interpreted that as "I don't want to anger the young white men voting for me". It's a very thin line between Bernie Bros and MAGAs and everybody peeped it. Lastly, if you're trying to become President, you should KNOW how to network. Biden called on Clyburn to throw his support behind him in South Carolina. Why didn't Bernie have anybody in the South he could call on? After 30 fukking years in politics, he didn't have ONE black senator or ONE black representative that could vouch for him? NOT ONE. Hakeem Jefferies ain't speak up for him. Bennie Thompson ain't speak up for him. Maxine Waters ain't speak up for him. He had not one person. That says everything that needs to be said.
 

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STOP SAYING THIS DUMB ASS SH*T.

You sound mad dumb. Bernie lost because he didn't know how to speak to black people. They asked this man multiple times about black issues and his response was always "the working class", "the working class". Black people CORRECTLY interpreted that as "I don't want to anger the young white men voting for me". It's a very thin line between Bernie Bros and MAGAs and everybody peeped it. Lastly, if you're trying to become President, you should KNOW how to network. Biden called on Clyburn to throw his support behind him in South Carolina. Why didn't Bernie have anybody in the South he could call on? After 30 fukking years in politics, he didn't have ONE black senator or ONE black representative that could vouch for him? NOT ONE. Hakeem Jefferies ain't speak up for him. Bennie Thompson aint speak up for him. Maxine Waters ain't speak up for him. He had not one person. That says everything that needs to be said.

:sas2:meanwhile Tim Walz...

 

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:sas2:meanwhile Tim Walz...


Its Biden's fault that Biden had friends in Congress and Bernie didn't :sadcam:

You mean calling everyone a corporatist sellout for three decades meant they wouldn't support me for President years later :sadcam:

On the side note, Walz would've been a fine VP. Had he wanted it, I could've saw myself voting for him for Prez later on.
 

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Fascism isn’t defeated by scolding people, it’s defeated by building a real working class movement.
Being working class sucks dikk, plus a lot of working class mfs are dumb af - they don't want to hear about praxis and theory nikka :mjlol:

I was 18 when I started doing construction, the bytch work ofc, you can't tell immigrants and brehs with face tattoos shyt about socialism - they'll either beat your ass or say some half-right shyt about the government

I'm not deluded into thinking I'll be a millionaire but I'll be damned if I have to go back to working outside :hhh:
 

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Ima take this a different direction.


People in general don't like to take accountability, and this is especially true nowadays since the social media age took over and anyone could be clowned/criticized in a public manner on the internet for the whole world to see.

It's much easier and convenient to have scapegoats as to why you failed than actually admit that you failed in front of the world and then anyone who is going to employ you will see this failure.


I see this shyt all the time nowadays. People are justifying fails all the time, as long as they can do it feasibly and reasonably.

Even in the smallest things.

A movie bombs - directors and actors blame some youtube influencer who reviewed the movie poorly.

A startup bombs - it's because the customers didn't appreciate or understand the vision

You got caught slipping posting porn on social media - it's because your account got hacked.


So imo many politicians view taking accountability for failure as a weakness and detriment. The orange fakkit will never do it and it's viewed as a strength by his cult.
 

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All over this board and in real life I'm constantly inundated by talk of how stupid and racist American voters are, "they voted for this", "
... "they get what they deserve," yadda yadda. As if the outcomes of our elections are purely the result of rational, independent choices made by an informed populace. The irony is this is the exact kind of take that highlights just how ignorant Americans are, that people actually believe for a second that we have free elections. Americans are ignorant for sure, they're ignorant of the massive structural forces that shape voting behavior: corporate media propaganda, billionaire-funded disinformation, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the corporate backed duopoly system that all work together to make us think we have the illusion of choice.

Only the ignorant would assume voters have a magical love of billionaires or are all inherently too stupid to vote in their best interest. Because Americans have been systematically conditioned to accept a false reality, where class solidarity is buried under culture wars, and the most powerful forces in the world work overtime to convince them that their enemies are immigrants, minorities, and homosexuals instead corporations and the 1% hoarding their wealth. Every election cycle, the ruling class spends trillions to control the narrative and manufacture consent for policies that serve the elite.

Yet, when things go south, the blame never ever falls on the corporate donors, the politicians who sabotage progress, or the billionaire-owned media networks that push propaganda 24/7. Instead, it’s always, “the voters are just too stupid.” The real danger in this analysis isn't the laziness, but the fact that it’s exactly what the ruling class wants people to believe. If you convince people that change is impossible because "the masses are just too dumb," then you remove any accountability from the actual forces rigging the system and ensure that nothing ever changes. If Democrats geniuinely believe that a significant portion of this country is too racist or too ignorant to vote for a Black woman, then isn’t it an even bigger strategic failure that they didn’t account for that reality in their strategy? Either you believe in the voters’ ability to make rational choices and win them over, or you acknowledge their shortcomings and adjust your strategy accordingly. If the electorate is flawed, it’s not enough to just complain about it. A competent political party adjusts to reality and finds ways to win anyway. They don’t actually want to challenge the system in a way that would meaningfully redistribute power or wealth, because they are embedded in that system. That’s why they embrace symbolic progressivism like black faces in high places and identity politics, while refusing to push real economic populism or structural change.

Do American voters fall for racist, reactionary rhetoric? Absolutely. Do American voters vote based on culture war bullshyt rather than policy? Of course. But writing off the electorate as irredeemable ignores the fact that the vast majority of progressive policies are actually popular when they're not attached to individuals or parties. The problem isn’t that Americans are inherently stupid or racist, it’s that the Dems are an integral part of the ruling class itself, and they will crush any populist resistance before it can threaten elite control.

No the voters didn’t just choose this in some vacuum of perfect rationality. If you’re mad at the outcomes of our elections, don’t just blame the voters, blame the oligarchs who buy our politicians, the media that launders their narratives, and the politicians who sell out their own base for corporate money. Anything else is just playing into their hands.
Truth

Unfortunately the masses being too stupid might be actually TRUE ( not to take away from your point because I agree with you)

Most of this board can't walk and chew gum at the same time and only know how to look at politics from a binary perspective.

If this board represents most people then sadly I'm not surprised we are where we are.
 

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STOP SAYING THIS DUMB ASS SH*T.

You sound mad dumb. Bernie lost because he didn't know how to speak to black people. They asked this man multiple times about black issues and his response was always "the working class", "the working class". Black people CORRECTLY interpreted that as "I don't want to anger the young white men voting for me". It's a very thin line between Bernie Bros and MAGAs and everybody peeped it. Lastly, if you're trying to become President, you should KNOW how to network. Biden called on Clyburn to throw his support behind him in South Carolina. Why didn't Bernie have anybody in the South he could call on? After 30 fukking years in politics, he didn't have ONE black senator or ONE black representative that could vouch for him? NOT ONE. Hakeem Jefferies ain't speak up for him. Bennie Thompson ain't speak up for him. Maxine Waters ain't speak up for him. He had not one person. That says everything that needs to be said.
Moderates stick with moderates. Moderates chose Hillary and Biden to have next.




 
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The funny thing is

Going at the Dem for doing NOTHING is actually letting them off easy


They lucky we don't constantly bring up all the corruption.

Does anyone want to talk about Nacy Pelosi and the stock market?

Do we want to talk about their support of Gaza?

Fukk Democrats..they are part of the problem
 

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STOP SAYING THIS DUMB ASS SH*T.

You sound mad dumb. Bernie lost because he didn't know how to speak to black people. They asked this man multiple times about black issues and his response was always "the working class", "the working class". Black people CORRECTLY interpreted that as "I don't want to anger the young white men voting for me". It's a very thin line between Bernie Bros and MAGAs and everybody peeped it. Lastly, if you're trying to become President, you should KNOW how to network. Biden called on Clyburn to throw his support behind him in South Carolina. Why didn't Bernie have anybody in the South he could call on? After 30 fukking years in politics, he didn't have ONE black senator or ONE black representative that could vouch for him? NOT ONE. Hakeem Jefferies ain't speak up for him. Bennie Thompson ain't speak up for him. Maxine Waters ain't speak up for him. He had not one person. That says everything that needs to be said.

If you are talking 2020 I agree but 2016 was very close and went down to the wire even tho Clinton's were running the DNC financially at the time. It wasn't a fair primary they wanted Clinton before it even started. It's well documented.
 
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