Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

[Big Blue]

It’s almost like screaming "Shut up and vote blue!" at disillusioned voters isn’t a winning strategy. Who knew? Instead of actually addressing their failures, Dems and their die-hard defenders just plug their ears, blame third-party voters, and pretend ‘Orange Man Bad’ should’ve been enough. Then they act shocked when people either stay home or look elsewhere. But sure, keep insisting that any criticism = secret MAGA support, and watch how well that works out next time. Spoiler: It won’t.

Look at this straw man bullshyt. The Supreme Court Conservatives might go against Trump off of how much extra work they're giving them and this is what you say.

 

[Drip Bayless]

Orange man bad = warning about the things trump planned to do.

Folks essentially were telling you "yo, don't go over there, you might get shot"

Well folks ignored the warning and went over there anyway.

Yeah, you definitely just skimmed the last page and jumped in like a typical Coli goer.
This shyt is hilarious you can’t even be bothered to read four pages of a web thread, but you expect voters to do deep political analysis before heading to the polls? . Maybe if Democrats ran on literally anything besides ‘Orange Man Bad’, they wouldn’t have to rely on guilt-tripping and fear-mongering to beg for votes. But nah, let’s just keep blaming everyone except the people who ran a terrible campaign and lost.

 

[gurf]

Oh, my fault, I forgot the official wording is "Not voting for Kamala is a vote for Trump" and "Third party voters are basically non-voters." Same condescending bullshyt, different wording. Nobody outright said ‘shut up and vote blue,’ but the message is clear: Any criticism of the Democrats gets you labeled as a secret Trump supporter, and any attempt to hold them accountable is dismissed as "helping the right." If you think that attitude had nothing to do with their loss than I got a bridge to sell you. But go ahead, keep blaming everyone except the party that actually lost.

I'll leave it at this.

If you were aware of how presidential elections have gone over the past 30+ years you'd understand that not voting/third party voting has historically harmed democrats more than republicans.

You took the warning laid out before you as condescending. I took the warning and voted accordingly.

That simple.

 

[Drip Bayless]

You stated that for every evil doing that Republicans are in the process of doing, make sure we go into the Democratic goody bag of responsibility as if they are the ones crafting republican policies that will impact people currently.

Its senseless.

Ah yes, because the party that held the White House, controlled the Senate, outspent the GOP by hundreds of millions, and still lost bears zero responsibility for the outcome. Totally makes sense. Nobody said Democrats are crafting Republican policies, what I’m saying is they failed to stop them being enacted. And instead of reflecting on that failure, people like you just deflect, deflect, deflect. If acknowledging how badly Dems fumbled the bag triggers you this much, maybe the real issue isn’t what I’m saying, it’s that deep down, you know I’m right.

 

[Drip Bayless]

I'll leave it at this.

If you were aware of how presidential elections have gone over the past 30+ years you'd understand that not voting/third party voting has historically harmed democrats more than republicans.

You took the warning laid out before you as condescending. I took the warning and voted accordingly.

That simple.

IF EVERY THIRD PARTY VOTER VOTED DEMOCRAT THEY STILL WOULDVE LOST. Basic math. Like what the hell are yall even talking about?

 

[gurf]

IF EVERY THIRD PARTY VOTER VOTED DEMOCRAT THEY STILL WOULDVE LOST. Basic math. Like what the hell are yall even talking about?

Because that isn't going to happen. At least in this current climate.

Just because you type it in all caps doesn't make it feasible.

We all have grand visions of how we can all come together, hold hands, and vote for the most deserving candidate, but you know it doesn't work like that.

Until then we have to vote for the lesser evil and keep it moving.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Ah yes, because the party that held the White House, controlled the Senate,

They didn't hold the house.

Let's be granular here and act like we understand how government works. They also don't hold the judicial branch which Mitch McConnel ensured years back, so call things as they are.

And it has ZERO to do with the behavior the current administration is exhibiting. You're the type who would get knifed in the back while looking for Dems to help you than trying to fight off who is actually stabbing you and told you he was going to do so when you had a chance to do something about it.

 

[NinoBrown]

Yall nikkas will make every excuse in the world. We are literally the only people that can't grasp what happened, and it's sad...

I even posted the Bernie Sanders posts that came out after the election that echoed what I said on here many of times about how the Democrats handled things (and what I'm saying now), but somehow you know different...

It was a multitude of mistakes:
Harris
Pelosi
Hiding Biden's Cognitive Decline
Abandoning the Male Voter
Banking on MAGA voters would betray Trump

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

You’re arguing against a point I never made. Nowhere did I say class solidarity was ever the natural state of America’s working class. What I said is that racial hierarchy has been deliberately upheld, institutionalized, and reinforced by the ruling class because it served their interests. That's not a theory, that’s just history. Of course, white people are racist, no one is denying that. But the idea that their rejection of class solidarity was purely organic, with elites just sitting back and watching, is historically inaccurate. You keep pushing this idea that I "over-weigh" elite influence, but all I’m saying is their influence matters, and it has been an active, strategic process. The ruling class didn’t just observe racism, they invested in it, structured it into law, and used it as a tool because it was profitable. In addition to white workers rejecting Black allies because they personally felt superior—they were also incentivized through policy, labor laws, and structural advantages that reinforced that choice.

No, we won’t see eye to eye, because you seem to think class division and racial hierarchy just naturally exist in a vacuum, while I recognize that even if the elite did not build it, they've maintained and reinforced it for reason. Dismissing elite manipulation as just an afterthought ignores the fact that racism was shaped into a tool of power. And that is literally why the system of white supremacy exists as a system. White supremacy is a system, white people didnt just magically wake up and unanimously decide they were superior to black people. That ideology was cultivated and reinforced over generations through laws, economic structures, and propaganda designed to uphold racial hierarchy for the benefit of the ruling class. The working class in the U.S. have never been united across racial lines because the ruling elite has spent centuries making sure of that. Acting like racial divisions just ‘naturally’ happened, with the elites as passive observers, completely ignores history. If class division along racial lines was so inevitable, then why did the ruling class actively pass laws, use state violence, and flood the media with propaganda to maintain it? Why were Black and white workers legally prohibited from organizing together? Why were labor unions racially segregated by design? Why did plantation owners deliberately offer small privileges to poor whites to keep them from aligning with enslaved people? You’re acting like the ruling class just happened to benefit from racial division, when in reality, they engineered and reinforced it at every turn because they knew that class solidarity was a real threat to their power. Saying ‘it didn’t take elites to impose that division is like saying "it didn’t take oil companies to make people dependent on fossil fuels," technically speaking, sure, but without their deliberate, systemic intervention, things would have played out very differently.

It seems like we're talking past each other. I'm not arguing that elites were passive observers, nor am I denying that they deliberately reinforced and weaponized racial divisions to protect their interests. I fully acknowledge that racism was cultivated as a tool of power and that class solidarity was actively suppressed through laws, propaganda, and economic structures.

Where we seem to diverge is the extent to which we weigh elite influence versus personal responsibility. My point isn't that elites had no role or that their interventions didn't matter, of course they did. But no matter how much conditioning, manipulation, or structural reinforcement exists, individuals still make choices. Yes, elites engineered racial divisions, but white workers still bought into them, upheld them, and often enthusiastically reinforced them. They weren't just manipulated; they were also willing participants because the system gave them tangible incentives.

To use your analogy: Yes, oil companies deliberately engineered dependence on fossil fuels. But people weren't just passive victims of that engineering, some resisted, some pushed for alternatives, and many didn't because they benefited from the system. The same applies here. The ruling class didn't have to force white workers to reject class solidarity, they just had to make sure the incentives were in place. White workers then made the choice to prioritize racial status over class solidarity, even when alternatives were possible.

So I'm not dismissing elite manipulation as an afterthought, I recognize it as a key factor. I just believe that individual agency played an even bigger role in sustaining the system, because at the end of the day, white workers had the option to resist and overwhelmingly chose not to. That's why I put more weight on personal responsibility than elite influence. And that's why I believe it will take those people breaking that system to move forward. The message itself doesn't matter if they aren't willing to hear it. If people aren't open to changing first, then nothing is going to change.

 

[rlg]

I had to ask myself did the democrats really want to win? Everyone knew that Biden was mentally in decline along with the racial climate in this country and then they trotted out Kamala knowing Hillary lost and white men at large weren't going to vote for her.

If they really wanted to win they should have gotten biden to pass the torch earlier and nominate a white southern male democrat.

 

[Ozymandeas]

This is exactly the oblivious, condescending attitude that keeps the Dems weak. I didn’t vote for Trump, I voted for the Socialist Party. But keep pretending that everyone who criticizes them must be some brainwashed Republican. That's the binary thinking that has gotten the duopoly so embedded in the minds of American people. If Democrats were serious about stopping fascism they'd have gotten off of Wall Street's dikk a long time ago. Blaming voters instead of the corrupt system that manipulates them is lazy and politically useless. If your only response to election losses is, ‘the voters are stupid,’ then you have NO STRATEGY, NO SOLUTIONS, AND NO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF POWER. Fascism isn’t defeated by scolding people, it’s defeated by building a real working class movement.

Imma keep being condescending. If you vote for a fascist because you were vengeful, then you are stupid.

It's nothing else to say. You're trying to get us to understand why people chose fascism. FOH

Yall chose this evil muthafukka.

 

[Ozymandeas]

We had no choice but to elect the guy who said he'd be a Dictator

No choice at all

Stop calling us names. It's time to come together and fight the Dictator we just voted in

 

[Outlaw]

imagine thinking holding the party that was supposed to stop this accountable is just ‘whataboutism.’ Sorry, but ‘Republicans bad’ isn’t the groundbreaking political analysis you thought it was, we all know they’re evil and corrupt, but guess what? The Democrats had every advantage and still let them cook. But nah, let’s ignore that and pretend criticism = secret MAGA support, because clearly, that strategy worked so well this election! Keep coping, keep deflecting, and keep blaming everyone but the people who fukked this layup of an election up

Nothing you’re saying is enlightened. Here’s a question though,

What would it take for your demographic (white male) to majority vote democrat?

Before you criticize the Democratic Party we must address why white men as a voting bloc vote exclusively GOP

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Nothing you’re saying is enlightened. Here’s a question though,

What would it take for your demographic (white male) to majority vote democrat?

Before you criticize the Democratic Party we must address why white men as a voting bloc vote exclusively GOP

lemme pull up a seat, I need to hear this one.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Oh, so we the voters are supposed to ‘hold Republicans accountable’… by doing what exactly? Voting for a Democratic Party that ran on nothing but ‘Orange Man Bad’ and still lost? , how does that even make sense?The Democrats held the White House, controlled the Senate, outspent Trump by hundreds of millions, and STILL couldn’t stop him. They had every advantage and still fumbled the bag. But somehow, it’s on us to "hold Republicans accountable"? With what? Hope? A sternly worded tweet? Let me give you a newsflash If the Democrats were actually competent, we wouldn’t be in this position. They ran a weak, uninspiring campaign, refused to deliver meaningful change, and expected people to show up out of fear rather than excitement. That’s not on the voters, that’s on them.

Alright, I thought you were arguing in good faith, but you're just another bad actor.