Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

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G-d is nothing like a human. G-d is the entire universe itself. Gravity and nuclear forces are the closest thing It has to "hands" to make things with. G-d made all matter when It manifested a Hydrogen then Helium. The rest happened because of the properties of the first particles. Them being random is a cute thought but it makes more sense that they are designed to do what they do like a lego brick. Since Allmighty Science CANNOT explain the Big Bang, Biogenesis, or Dark Energy, we havw to admit that these things are unscientific, do not fit the Science schema, and therefore have to be classified as miracles or magic. G-d is real but It's not Santa Claus. It has no human feelings (anger for instance? Anger at who? Knowing and BEING everything allows for no surprises and no reason to be angry. Ever). G-d is literally everywhere. Mud. Sky. Tin foil. Everything. YOU are part of It, too.
 

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Thats just passing on the debt to your children. Thats positive?

It is what it is. But as I said, it will probably be addressed within our lifetimes. Most people realize it's a problem .... but they also want lower taxes, and entitlements. The people are the problem.


Breh, politicians are purposefully deceitful. So why shouldnt I hold them to a standard of being honest? Its not about him making mistakes, as I have and will, and as he has and will. Its about being honest. Not only honest about what he claimed he was going to do, but whats going on in the world and politics. The last pres we had do that was JFK. And we saw what happened to him

Prove that Obama was purposely deceitful, and had no intention of removing troops from Afghanistan.

Merriam webster does:

: to pay no attention to : treat as unworthy of regard or notice


Okay, and look at the first definition. "To pay no attention to". Do you know what the word "no" means?


Im not playing semantics thats you breh. I already explained what I meant by what I said several times. And even showed how the definition showed ignore as meaning to intentionally disregard something. Now I have posted the definition of disregard which points to treating something as unworthy of regard or notice. The only one playing semantics is you.

No, you've been jumping through hoops to avoid the fact that you said NO attention was being paid to OBE's/prayer/etc by changing what you meant by 'ignore'. THAT was the semantical game you were playing. You did it again later when I said something was a myth to say "it's not a myth but an exaggeration of a stereotype". Those things are almost so similar that it's ridiculous to even point it out. If something is exaggerating truth, then it's still a false claim.

Breh its been happening and its just continuing. There are only few countries that arent under the thumb, and guess who's at war with all of them?

Prove it.

Ok but you agree that the Fed prints money when it wants and loans it to us at interest? Like what are you even arguing about cuz?

Don't avoid the damn question, I want to see your proof. The banks loans it at interest, yes. So what? Why do you have a problem with credit?

It dont matter breh. Thats not the point whether it was against man made imaginary laws instituted. The point was whether a country built off freedom would allow a garden that was being used for food and self preservation to be destroyed by the gov't that is supposed to be ensuring that their adherents get both of those. Thats the point.

There are no other laws except man-made laws. Again, freedom doesn't mean everyone gets to do whatever they wish. I don't know what that garden was being used for. I can only make a decision after her lawsuit is settled.

Which can be said for anytime I bring up any case that displays a breaking of rights. The point is that the story exemplifies the lake of care of individual rights. A homeless man cant be given food?

But you're just arguing a strawman. No one's saying homeless people can't be given food. Most likely, that church broke some law by feeding homeless people in the manner that they did. Things aren't black and white like you make them.
 

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More insults :mjlol: But Im the @sshole for using smilies? :camby: Im not the one that said I need proof for everything. Thats some atheist p.o.v.



Breh, my point was that the guy made statements. We dont believe statements right? So my questions stand as to why I do not think his claims should just arbitrarily be accepted. Did anyone in here attempt to answer them or address them? Naw. They keep point out man made credentials such as his Harvard degree. Its whatever doe. :ehh: What Im really getting at is that his "facts" are not proveable. As I said, there is no credible way to equate our accuracy of reporting the population and violence in it then anything he could have found from the past.

Not to mention History = HIS Story. Academics? Controlled. Media? Controlled. Food? Controlled. Religion? Controlled. Its clear with the "research" some do towards science, they should be doing towards their surroundings and wondering why people are trying to control these sectors.



Yea you could but you dont. So you take their word at faith. Just as believers in God Almighty take their God's word as faith. The thing is, yall try to act as if theirs a difference. So lets say that someone with a whole lot of money pays for a group of scientists to give out wrong information. Then what? We have people believing incorrect information. So just because a group of people says something doesnt mean we believe it.

What you're doing is just as believers do. Except (some) believers place their faith in the Creator of All things, while other people place their faith in men. :scusthov: I'll take my chances with who I believe in.

But the fact is his statements aren't "arbitrary accepted". They've been critiqued by experts in the field. As laymen, it's reasonable for us to accept his claims as probably true, even if we don't investigate them ourselves. Atheists don't accept theology at face value because there is not a reliable method to determine whether those claims are true too. In fact, most of what we know about the world says that several things in the Bible for example most likely didn't happen. Things like miracles have not been confirmed to ever have happened, and we don't see many miraculous things like worldwide floods today.

Accepting science as likely to be true isn't faith. Again, it has demonstrated time and time again to provide TRUE things about the world. Has theism? No. You believe in god despite having no proof. I believe a claim from science because I understand how it works, and that it works. That's not faith, that's a reasonable expectation based on previous knowledge.

You put your faith in an imaginary being, while I'll rely on the confirmed methods of wise men. You're on the wrong side of history on this, friend.
 

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G-d is nothing like a human. G-d is the entire universe itself. Gravity and nuclear forces are the closest thing It has to "hands" to make things with. G-d made all matter when It manifested a Hydrogen then Helium. The rest happened because of the properties of the first particles. Them being random is a cute thought but it makes more sense that they are designed to do what they do like a lego brick. Since Allmighty Science CANNOT explain the Big Bang, Biogenesis, or Dark Energy, we havw to admit that these things are unscientific, do not fit the Science schema, and therefore have to be classified as miracles or magic. G-d is real but It's not Santa Claus. It has no human feelings (anger for instance? Anger at who? Knowing and BEING everything allows for no surprises and no reason to be angry. Ever). G-d is literally everywhere. Mud. Sky. Tin foil. Everything. YOU are part of It, too.

Let me ask you a question. Suppose you live during a time before we understood heliocentrism. What makes more sense, or seems more intuitive: our planet revolving around the sun, or the sun revolving around us?
 

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It should be mentioned that scientists love to prove each other wrong. It's an integral part of the scientific method. It wouldn't be in the scientist's best interest to submit bogus results.
 

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It is what it is. But as I said, it will probably be addressed within our lifetimes. Most people realize it's a problem .... but they also want lower taxes, and entitlements. The people are the problem.

It is what it is? :scusthov: Terrible way to think of it. But it is the way that some people rationalize it. I hope others arent satisfied with leaving an astronomical debt to their children.

The people are not the ones that instituted the Fed nor are they the ones that agree to the defense budget among other things. But yes, we are culpable as well to a certain degree. But not more so than the people (lawmakers) that were supposed to be looking out for our best interests so stuff like that doesnt happen.

Prove that Obama was purposely deceitful, and had no intention of removing troops from Afghanistan.

He knows politics better than I do. So at best, he could have said " I will do my best" yadda yadda yadda. He didnt. He said he would do it and hen didnt. Thus, he lied. :manny: He knew beforehand what could stop him from bringing home the troops but made his promise anyways because it looked good for his election.

Okay, and look at the first definition. "To pay no attention to". Do you know what the word "no" means?

So you use the first part I use the second part. SEMANTICS at its finest.


No, you've been jumping through hoops to avoid the fact that you said NO attention was being paid to OBE's/prayer/etc by changing what you meant by 'ignore'. THAT was the semantical game you were playing. You did it again later when I said something was a myth to say "it's not a myth but an exaggeration of a stereotype". Those things are almost so similar that it's ridiculous to even point it out. If something is exaggerating truth, then it's still a false claim.

I disagree. I said spiritual matters were being ignored. I brought up those to show examples of spiritual matters that people claim happen to them that give credence to their being a spiritual aspect to our lives.

Yes it is not a myth that absentee fathers is a problem. Its a myth the exaggerated extent that its carried out to. The problem we have here is that I never said that black fathers were leading the country in absentee dads or anything. I just said its a problem that contributes to the poor state blacks are in. WE need our families strong more so than other races since they have more communal aspects to lie back on (and institutional aspects in terms of whites).

Prove it.

Egypt. Syria. Sudan. Libya. Iraq. Each of these situations had foreign interests interfering in a countries own business.

Don't avoid the damn question, I want to see your proof. The banks loans it at interest, yes. So what? Why do you have a problem with credit?

:what: So we have:

-The fed prints the money
- The fed gives the money to the US and charges interest

You have agreed with both of these so how can the US pay the interest off if each dollar they get was loaned to them at interest? That means that EVERY dollar in circulation was loaned at interest. Therefore, they could only give back the money they borrowed, they'd never have the money to pay the interest. Im honestly trying to see what you're disagreeing with when you've stated yourself the two points above?
There are no other laws except man-made laws. Again, freedom doesn't mean everyone gets to do whatever they wish. I don't know what that garden was being used for. I can only make a decision after her lawsuit is settled.

She already lost. And freedom certainly means that they can do what they want as long as it doesnt encroach on somebody elses freedom. I dont think growing a garden for self preservation does that.

But you're just arguing a strawman. No one's saying homeless people can't be given food. Most likely, that church broke some law by feeding homeless people in the manner that they did. Things aren't black and white like you make them.

No Im not. Im arguing from a humanity standpoint. Not a made up law by men who do not have to live by it. And thats exactly what they said. They said they would be arrested if they fed them :mjlol: And they didnt (according to the link) even explain what law was broken.

If someone is homeless and doesnt have food, the humane thing to do is to give them food. Not go look for the law that says you can give it to them at a certain place, at a certain time, with a certain permit then give it to them. Thats just too much. :camby:
 

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But the fact is his statements aren't "arbitrary accepted". They've been critiqued by experts in the field. As laymen, it's reasonable for us to accept his claims as probably true, even if we don't investigate them ourselves. Atheists don't accept theology at face value because there is not a reliable method to determine whether those claims are true too. In fact, most of what we know about the world says that several things in the Bible for example most likely didn't happen. Things like miracles have not been confirmed to ever have happened, and we don't see many miraculous things like worldwide floods today.

Yes YOU arbitrarily accepted his claims. I asked "what were his sources" you (who needs proof to believe anything) didnt have anything to provide. I asked "how could he credibly equate the accuracy of our reporting currently with the accuracy of reporting in the past?" Again no answer. Thats my point. You accept what he says as true based on faith that Harvard is a great school.

Actually the bible does have a way to investigate it yourself. Thats with faith. Thats with prayer. Thats with good actions. And more because you have to place those things in the right Hands not the hands of a pastor or idol such as Jesus. Nonetheless, the steps are there for anyone to take.

Accepting science as likely to be true isn't faith. Again, it has demonstrated time and time again to provide TRUE things about the world. Has theism? No. You believe in god despite having no proof. I believe a claim from science because I understand how it works, and that it works. That's not faith, that's a reasonable expectation based on previous knowledge.

No. I do not have the proof YOU seek. That would be a better way to put it.

And you believe a claim from science because you place your faith in science. Thats why you dont verify their claims. Just accept them as true and move on to the next one. That is what you have made clear in this thread.

You put your faith in an imaginary being, while I'll rely on the confirmed methods of wise men. You're on the wrong side of history on this, friend.

No. I dont put my faith in Santa claus. That would be imaginary.

I put my faith in the Creator of All things that exist. THAT is REAL, my brethren.
 

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It should be mentioned that scientists love to prove each other wrong. It's an integral part of the scientific method. It wouldn't be in the scientist's best interest to submit bogus results.

Of course. Its still ridiculous to accept claims without verifying the info in it. Look at the questions I posed towards to their Pinker guy. No one touched it.

If the guy was concrete, why are they avoiding the answers when they're the ones that brought him up?
 

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Let me ask you a question. Suppose you live during a time before we understood heliocentrism. What makes more sense, or seems more intuitive: our planet revolving around the sun, or the sun revolving around us?

Accoring to who though? EUROPEANS lived in a "time before" we understood this but Hinduism speaks of planets in a way that matches today's understanding. The pyramids reflect the true motion of the cosmos.

Anyways.. If Science actually answers these questions then I will have to sit down but to believe in the miracle of science enough to give it credit for things it has not done yet is yet another form of Dogma
 

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G-d is nothing like a human. G-d is the entire universe itself. Gravity and nuclear forces are the closest thing It has to "hands" to make things with. G-d made all matter when It manifested a Hydrogen then Helium. The rest happened because of the properties of the first particles. Them being random is a cute thought but it makes more sense that they are designed to do what they do like a lego brick. Since Allmighty Science CANNOT explain the Big Bang, Biogenesis, or Dark Energy, we havw to admit that these things are unscientific, do not fit the Science schema, and therefore have to be classified as miracles or magic. G-d is real but It's not Santa Claus. It has no human feelings (anger for instance? Anger at who? Knowing and BEING everything allows for no surprises and no reason to be angry. Ever). G-d is literally everywhere. Mud. Sky. Tin foil. Everything. YOU are part of It, too.

So everything in the universe except for the letter 'o' is a part of god? :ohhh:
 

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So everything in the universe except for the letter 'o' is a part of god? :ohhh:

Breh you just won the Internet.

Something I got from the Hebrews and have lately seen from my Muslim Siblings. Show of respect for the name. If you commit it to a physical medium then it is subject to be defiled possibly. The web is more ephemeral but what's to stop someone from JBO coming through HL after they break their fap challenge..
 
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