Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

[BlvdBrawler]

god either doesn't exist...

or maybe that's not the purpose of God.

or maybe it's like what I do with my sons . one can be struggling with something to the point of crying like a lil punk... and I will not help.. they figure it out eventually and are stronger and more knowledgeable in the end. I did my part by creating them and providing slight guidance.

You have a point, but there's a limit to your tough love. If you saw that your son was about to pick up a pipe bomb that was left in the street, you'd probably him and intervene. And why? Because you love him and because you can.

God? That nicca looking down on Iraq like .

 

[Everythingg]

What does this have to do with the post you quoted?

 

[BlvdBrawler]

What does this have to do with the post you quoted?

It's a perfect example of confirmation bias.

 

[Everythingg]

It's a perfect example of confirmation bias.

Atheists can have confirmation bias correct?

 

[Blackking]

You have a point, but there's a limit to your tough love. If you saw that your son was about to pick up a pipe bomb that was left in the street, you'd probably him and intervene. And why? Because you love him and because you can.

God? That nicca looking down on Iraq like .

most of God's powers are assumed. We assume that he can intervene in our affairs..... we don't know for sure that his powers aren't limited to creating life and altering the weather. Maybe he's looking down on Iraq like


then "they gone learn one day... or we'll just have to start over again for the 3rd time"

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Atheists can have confirmation bias correct?

Sure why wouldn't they?

 

[Everythingg]

Sure why wouldn't they?

The one that dapped your post didnt seem to think so. Thats I why posted that definition

 

[rapbeats]

You can't say the universe is an example god revealing itself when we have no means to differentiate a divinely created universe from one that came about by purely natural means.

This guy makes it so the doubter is some self-important fukk.

What people are asking for is some way to differentiate coincidence from divine intervention.

you will never be able to do this with a closed mind to the ideal that there is a creator who not just created everything. but also who has a purpose for your life and everyone elses life.

if you're close to those things. there's no way you will ever realize when something happens thats obvious to me its "DEVINE" intervention so to speak. you will swear its happenstance. The only thing that could change your mind is a life or death situation. Now ask yourself do you want to almost have to lose your life (in the process possibly being hurt really bad) just to see what some believers already see?

truth is most people dont want to go that deep in order to find out.

but at the same token they keep their minds/hearts closed to the above ideas as well. so its a lose lose situation.

lets say for arguments sake. God created everything. that would mean everything is evidence of God. how on earth would you know everything is evidence of God. if you're still trying to figure out if god even exists let alone created everything.

 

[NoMayo15]

you will never be able to do this with a closed mind to the ideal that there is a creator who not just created everything. but also who has a purpose for your life and everyone elses life. if you're close to those things. there's no way you will ever realize when something happens thats obvious to me its "DEVINE" intervention so to speak. you will swear its happenstance. The only thing that could change your mind is a life or death situation. Now ask yourself do you want to almost have to lose your life (in the process possibly being hurt really bad) just to see what some believers already see?

Okay? My mind is open to it, but it's not so open that I accept every single claim because someone hopes it's true or deeply feel that its true. Look at that 'Sword in the Field' vid. Chick swears that's some sort of sign, but she doesn't know it. What you do is no different. You're just so hopeful that what you see has some deeper meaning, that you can convince yourself that anything has a deeper meaning. There's no way to objectively look at it.

I will gladly take a near death experience if it gives me personally some type of divine revelation... though, I could be wrong, and I'd completely understand if no one believed me

lets say for arguments sake. God created everything. that would mean everything is evidence of God. how on earth would you know everything is evidence of God. if you're still trying to figure out if god even exists let alone created everything.

I mean, that's circular reasoning though. This argument just doesn't help your case ... you can say that for anything. Let's say invisible fairies created the universe, and everything proves invisible faries exist. Let's say the universe came about through natural means and everything is evidence of nature. Do you see what I mean?

People like me don't work on the assumption that anything must have created the universe ... we look at the evidence and decide what's most likely true based on that. And the people who study this overwhelmingly agree that there is no reason to say that a God is the cause.

 

[rapbeats]

Okay? My mind is open to it, but it's not so open that I accept every single claim because someone hopes it's true or deeply feel that its true. Look at that 'Sword in the Field' vid. Chick swears that's some sort of sign, but she doesn't know it. What you do is no different. You're just so hopeful that what you see has some deeper meaning, that you can convince yourself that anything has a deeper meaning. There's no way to objectively look at it.

I will gladly take a near death experience if it gives me personally some type of divine revelation... though, I could be wrong, and I'd completely understand if no one believed me




I mean, that's circular reasoning though. This argument just doesn't help your case ... you can say that for anything. Let's say invisible fairies created the universe, and everything proves invisible faries exist. Let's say the universe came about through natural means and everything is evidence of nature. Do you see what I mean?

People like me don't work on the assumption that anything must have created the universe ... we look at the evidence and decide what's most likely true based on that. And the people who study this overwhelmingly agree that there is no reason to say that a God is the cause.

see there;s your problem. i'm not trying to help my case? i dont have a problem believing. YOU DO. "the people that study this" ha haaa. who's these people? oh scientists? you do realize some do think its a creator right? and i'm not talking about someone they've pushed into the "creationist" zone.

but the moment you hear that. you will say "man this guy is a good scientist, smart dude/chick. but he lost it talking about all that creator nonsense." There's nothing no one can do for a person with that mentality.

its real simple. you're trying to measure something with the incorrect tools. and you wonder why its not working.

 

[Vashti]

@King-Over-Kingz What's your beef with Jesus?


ETA: Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. I meant to post this in that thread about God's 12 biggest d.i.c.k moves.

 

[NoMayo15]

see there;s your problem. i'm not trying to help my case? i dont have a problem believing. YOU DO.

You might be TRYING to help your case, but you AREN'T in actuality. If you understood the logical fallacies, you wouldn't be making these dumbass arguments. I realize that you don't have a problem believing... its because you are a mental lightweight.

"the people that study this" ha haaa. who's these people? oh scientists? you do realize some do think its a creator right? and i'm not talking about someone they've pushed into the "creationist" zone. but the moment you hear that. you will say "man this guy is a good scientist, smart dude/chick. but he lost it talking about all that creator nonsense." There's nothing no one can do for a person with that mentality.

Wow. The fact that you can point to four or five scientists that STILL cling to creationism doesn't mean your religion is true. The fact is thousands of cosmologists reject creationism, and realize big bang and evolution is the best explanation of reality. It's like looking at the few people that believe the holocaust never happened, and saying "See, what about the historians that say the holocaust is false!?!?" You are an idiot if you think science backs your position.

its real simple. you're trying to measure something with the incorrect tools. and you wonder why its not working.

I don't even know what this fukkin means. If anyone is using the incorrect tools, its YOU. You think you are justified in beleivin something because you have FAITH that its true. I don't rely on faith. I appeal to the science and the evidence that points to a universe that was not divinely inspired. If you don't think the majority of scientists who study this... meaning 95% to 5% ... agree with ME, then you are DELUDED. In the grand scheme of things, very few educated people agree with you.

 

[Everythingg]

@King-Over-Kingz What's your beef with Jesus?


ETA: Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. I meant to post this in that thread about God's 12 biggest d.i.c.k moves.

Nah no beef. Just dont agree with some of the beliefs that surround him such as him being a human sacrifice for God.

I just dont think some of the beliefs have bearing in what Jesus himself would have been reading from when he lived (the old testament/tanakh, the Torah). Therefore its kinda wacky (IMO) to believe what a man after Jesus said over what the OT/Jesus said.

 

[Vashti]

Nah no beef. Just dont agree with some of the beliefs that surround him such as him being a human sacrifice for God.

I just dont think some of the beliefs have bearing in what Jesus himself would have been reading from when he lived (the old testament/tanakh, the Torah). Therefore its kinda wacky (IMO) to believe what a man after Jesus said over what the OT/Jesus said.

So do you think Jesus is the son of God? Do you read the New Testament or believe in it?

 

[Everythingg]

So do you think Jesus is the son of God? Do you read the New Testament or believe in it?

Yes, Yes, No to answer your questions.

I really only take the things that go along with what was already established to Israel in the Old testament. That means alot of paul is out the window since he came and taught some different things that Israel was not taught.