Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Now we're getting somewhere . We pointed out the fallacy of your argument and you didn't want to accept it.

You see a lot of war? Really? Do you live in the Congo? If you want to measure how peaceful or not the world is, its a RELATIVE scale. Meaning you take what you see and measure it against the past. This is one of the least violent times in human history.

You state the pathetic condition of blacks. While I don't disagree that blacks may have it worse off than others, you still have to compare to their past. For the US, blacks have more power, respect, money, and influence than at any point in time of their history here. So you consider that worse off than when they were owned by whites and beaten, raped, and killed at will with no legal consequences?

It's funny. I've already addressed this 6 pages ago with him. He will always have another response to your posts. This will literally go on forever. This guy is insane, he cannot be wrong in his mind. The aspects that make up good posters in HL are that they are gracious when they are wrong. dead7, the real, yourself, nomayo, TUH, and many more people in this subforum will admit when they're wrong and learn from it. This is what makes someone intelligent. Stupid people cannot concede intellectual defeat because they can't think outside of their already formed notions. They can't possibly fathom how they are wrong, so they must try to argue to infinity and not concede defeat. The problem is, since this person is stupid, they have no idea how to argue, so they just regurgitate random opinions over and over in different ways when they reply to you because they cannot digest your points. It's so fukking frustrating talking to people like @King-Over-Kingz because all you want to do is make them a more educated and enlightened human being, I want him to understand the reality of the human condition and the world in general, but no matter how logical we try to explain things to him, it's a complete waste of time. I literally got a headache trying to read his posts, having him on ignore makes this such a better thread to read, I realize the abundance of intelligent people that we have on this forum.

 

[ill]

You should have stopped at "Im not black". Because you're NEVER gonna know what its like to be discriminated against because of your skin color.



Not to mention, that I havent degraded anything that the past generation(s) have done. What I did say is that its not better. Anyone can tell you about thriving black communities before the civil rights movement. Where are those now?

Again, this isnt degrading the sacrifice that past generations made for future generations. Not at all. What it is saying, is that there was improvement made, but also regress. I could go over that regressing, but again, you still havent replied to that post that was directed at YOU. You waited for someone else to answer it and then go and cheerlead his response. I knew you or someone else was gonna do that.

Simple question. Are blacks better or worse off now than 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years ago?

 

[Everythingg]

Now we're getting somewhere . We pointed out the fallacy of your argument and you didn't want to accept it.

I want you to respond to the post directed at you. See, you're still picking and choosing what to respond to. Weak at best

You see a lot of war? Really? Do you live in the Congo? If you want to measure how peaceful or not the world is, its a RELATIVE scale. Meaning you take what you see and measure it against the past. This is one of the least violent times in human history.

Yea breh. Im from Africa. I have friends that are refugees from countries in war. So yes I see that there is war across the globe. Without even mentioning revolutions that are happening/have happened.

In regards to the bolded, how would you know? I asked someone this before and they pointed me towards Mr. Pinker. Once I read what they presented, I formulated an argument, which they ignored. Its how the game goes I guess....

You state the pathetic condition of blacks. While I don't disagree that blacks may have it worse off than others, you still have to compare to their past. For the US, blacks have more power, respect, money, and influence than at any point in time of their history here. So you consider that worse off than when they were owned by whites and beaten, raped, and killed at will with no legal consequences?

Yes pathetic Not all their fault, but some blame falls on them.

Blacks have power? Again, why are they getting beat in the street with no repercussions for the authority that does it? Why are they being wrongfully convicted?

Its still bad breh. No matter how you slice it. I want it to be as it should not, to be a step above a pet.

 

[Everythingg]

Simple question. Are blacks better or worse off now than 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years ago?

Naw bruddah. You gotta answer the post directed at you before you pinpoint one sentence I say, then try to make a point. Its weak. I posted statements in regard to you calling me "retarded" for holding a position. You ignored it.

Now you're trying to prove a point so you can get a dap from your friends that were also to scared to respond to posts directed at them.

 

[ill]

I want you to respond to the post directed at you. See, you're still picking and choosing what to respond to. Weak at best


Yea breh. Im from Africa. I have friends that are refugees from countries in war. So yes I see that there is war across the globe. Without even mentioning revolutions that are happening/have happened.

In regards to the bolded, how would you know? I asked someone this before and they pointed me towards Mr. Pinker. Once I read what they presented, I formulated an argument, which they ignored. Its how the game goes I guess....



Yes pathetic Not all their fault, but some blame falls on them.

Blacks have power? Again, why are they getting beat in the street with no repercussions for the authority that does it? Why are they being wrongfully convicted?

Its still bad breh. No matter how you slice it. I want it to be as it should not, to be a step above a pet.

http://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/most-peaceful-time-in-history3.htm

Peace in Our Time
There's still another era to consider: the one we're living in right now. Certainly, there's no shortage of war around the world, not to mention famine, disease and economic struggle. However, some analysts believe that despite these shortcomings, the world as a whole is relatively more peaceful now than it ever has been before.

Evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker believes that violence has declined sharply since the birth of the human race. When talking about violence, Pinker isn't just referring to war -- he also includes criminal punishment and murder rates, among other instances. Compared to our hunter-gatherer days, or the Middle Ages, our chances of dying by violent crime or as the result of war are miniscule [source: Zuckerman]. Pinker believes there are a few different reasons for this, all of which contribute to an overall more peaceful existence:

• Stable governments provide mediation and deterrent for violent conflict.
• Technological innovations enable us to establish symbiotic relationships with groups who might once have been our enemies.
• Advancements in health care have allowed us to place a greater value on life.
• Our awareness of the rest of the world -- greater now than ever before -- cultivates empathy and makes us more likely to help than hurt other populations.

Cooperative alliances between countries, such as the United Nations and the European Union, also represent an increase in trust and good faith. Sharing military responsibility for international conflicts, implementing a common currency and establishing international tribunals all point to a desire for stability and peace. Vaccines and other medical innovations have improved our quality of life, and education is available to more people than ever before.

Despite all the drawbacks of modern living, we really are living in the most peaceful time in recorded history. But remember, it's all relative. Even more peaceful days may be yet to come.

 

[ill]

Naw bruddah. You gotta answer the post directed at you before you pinpoint one sentence I say, then try to make a point. Its weak. I posted statements in regard to you calling me "retarded" for holding a position. You ignored it.

Now you're trying to prove a point so you can get a dap from your friends that were also to scared to respond to posts directed at them.

Uhh how about you address the 20348293487 points I've made

 

[Everythingg]

It's funny. I've already addressed this 6 pages ago with him. He will always have another response to your posts. This will literally go on forever. This guy is insane, he cannot be wrong in his mind. The aspects that make up good posters in HL are that they are gracious when they are wrong. dead7, the real, yourself, nomayo, TUH, and many more people in this subforum will admit when they're wrong and learn from it. This is what makes someone intelligent. Stupid people cannot concede intellectual defeat because they can't think outside of their already formed notions. They can't possibly fathom how they are wrong, so they must try to argue to infinity and not concede defeat. The problem is, since this person is stupid, they have no idea how to argue, so they just regurgitate random opinions over and over in different ways when they reply to you because they cannot digest your points. It's so fukking frustrating talking to people like @King-Over-Kingz because all you want to do is make them a more educated and enlightened human being, I want him to understand the reality of the human condition and the world in general, but no matter how logical we try to explain things to him, it's a complete waste of time. I literally got a headache trying to read his posts, having him on ignore makes this such a better thread to read, I realize the abundance of intelligent people that we have on this forum.

Gracious Gracious people call others retarded and dumbass AND STUPID?

For the 5-10th time of me reiterating, I made a post towards you. You didnt respond. Now you talk about wanting to help educate me and enlighten me but you didnt even respond to the post directed at you. You gave me a link, then I responded to what the link stated. Did you answer my questions and display for all to see why they were not legitimate? No you didnt. You just threw insults. Now you want to take this higher ground morality stance

And the irony, is everything you in bold, can be directed directly at you atheists. But yea thats something I learned in Psych. Has something to do with outgroup vs ingroup.

 

[ill]

@King-Over-Kingz Whats this one point you want me to address? Is it: Ok if Im "trolling" and need to "learn some history" please tell, is imperialism happening in the world today?

If its that, then yes it is still going on in this world today. To a much LESSER extent than in previous history. What other questions of yours am I missing?

 

[NoMayo15]

See you finally responded though it wasnt directed at you. But you didnt respond to the points made in the post. So heres my point (while I will also respond to what you said since Im sure someone will come cheerlead what you have said

Debt and wealth inequality is SEVERELY important. The fact that you gloss over these is ridiculous at best. Why? Because that debt is gonna have to be paid. Who's gonna pay? The gov't?

I dont think so. It will be me and you. The taxpayer. Or our children. Is that a positive outlook to leave for your children?

Breh, you (or blacks are if you're not black) are still second class citizens. Nobody said that blacks havent made progress, but look at unbiased news for once. They're still getting beat in thestreet by cops. They're still be wrongfully convicted (as I have). They're still being doused in negative media, with negative role models. When a positive one comes up, they get rid of them. Whether you think this role model is MLK, Malcolm, or Pac, all these people were silenced one way or another.

Brother, why gloss over the fact that blacks are still getting beat up in the street by the authorities?

You're free to leave whenever you want to leave the US. But speak up on whats happening in the world and you're silenced. I can make a list of people that this has happened to if you would like? But Im sure if you're as educated as I believe you are, you already know.

Privileged? Breh, Im stuck in America tryna figure out when I can experience true freedom. Not illusioned, but true freedom. I want that for myself and the next generation. But people are still too busy supporting this illusioned freedom.

You're right. The post wasn't directed at me, so I read about two paragraphs and responded. What I read of what you said was pure basura so I didn't feel a need to continue.

I don't think the national debt is as large of a problem as some make it out to be. I, for one, don't believe debt to be necessarily a bad thing, in fact it could be good. Besides...there is a global incentive to keep the US from defaulting.

Again, I just disagree. I'm not saying racism, institutionalized or other, no longer exists and the world is perfect. What I'm saying is, the overall trend is towards one with fewer bigots, and fewer policies that favor certain demographics over others. I don't know why you would think it's getting worse when a few decades ago, black men were openly killed with the police doing nothing. At least now some of those cops who are beating black men are facing consequences. Saying this denegrades the real second class status our ancestors experienced. Smh man...

I gloss over it because I don't think it happens nearly as often, and without legal consequences as it did in the past.

I don't know what you mean by this: "You're free to leave whenever you want to leave the US. But speak up on whats happening in the world and you're silenced."

Well, where are you going to find that? And freedom from what exactly? See, I don't know your particular story or your past, and it might be more beneficial for you to get up out of here. I just can't imagine what might be better. And, to be honest, I don't want anywhere else. To me, this is home. There are problems with the system, but I'd much rather try to voice my concerns and contribute towards changing it than leaving.

I don't know what this idealed concept of freedom you have ... I have a more pragmatic view of it. Freedom can be cold, and hard. When I think of "true freedom" I think of like .. wild west, where it's almost anarchy. And I don't look back in the past with any kind of nostalgia ... especially being a black man.

 

[Everythingg]

http://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/most-peaceful-time-in-history3.htm

Ok I'll copy and paste what I've already said in regards to this Pinker fellow. Maybe you wont ignore....

This has to do with what I told noon. You are putting your faith in this guy telling the truth. Where did he get his stats from? What is he accounting as "violence"? Is he accounting for different type of violence like physical AND violence that comes from economic warfare? Of course, the link has no mention of it. Good thing some commenters caught onto it.

Spoiler

The horrors of the twentieth century could hardly have been predicted in the nineteenth century, which saw the eighteenth century end with the American Revolution bringing about the creation of the first classical liberal government in history. The twentieth century was the bloodiest in all history. More than 170 million people were killed by government with 10 million having been killed in World War I and 50 million killed in World War II. Of the 50 million killed in World War II, nearly 70 percent were innocent civilians. (http://www.mises.org/document/2674)

 

[NoMayo15]

Follow the money, and you have your answer.

I really got the run around from everyone in this thread, so please understand why I gave the answer I did.

Can you please, for once, give a straight answer? No, I don't understand why you answered this way.

 

[Everythingg]

Uhh how about you address the 20348293487 points I've made

Here is my response (in response) to the first post you directed towards me. Since I made this post, you have not quoted it ONCE. You have not responded to the points I've made in the thread ONCE. So the first one to respond should be you. NOT ME.

 

[Everythingg]

@King-Over-Kingz Whats this one point you want me to address? Is it: Ok if Im "trolling" and need to "learn some history" please tell, is imperialism happening in the world today?

If its that, then yes it is still going on in this world today. To a much LESSER extent than in previous history. What other questions of yours am I missing?

This whole post, breh.

Ok if Im "trolling" and need to "learn some history" please tell, is imperialism happening in the world today?

You'll concede the wealth gap but then talk about iphones? Do you think that people would actually support a system that just ends up increasing the wealth gap if they knew that? And sure they're not standing in large food lines YET, but that debt aint just gonna keep increasing forever with no payback. So that will be on your children's (or children's children etc...) head whenever it does. Thats IF it isnt on your head.

Blacks have power? The same blacks that get beat in the street like they're pets? That isnt to laugh at the situation, but thats what it is. It doesnt matter about the gains they've made when we're talking about a wealth gap/debt. Both will just keep increasing if we just keep continuing with the status quo.
"Africa's problems are bad, but they arent lets kidnap entire tribes and sell them to slavery bad"




First, please dont use that rhetoric as if that was the main reason slavery happened. Second, it is that bad in some places. There are places where rebels/mercenaries/gov'ts etc.... are running thru villages raping and pillaging. So what are you talking about? Thats without mentioning the outside influence that rapes the continent as well.

The crusades is the darkest time in history? How many people died in that?

How is it happening to a lesser extent? I guess you missed what happened with Gaddaffi? Or any other country that has a leader that doesnt want to play ball?

 

[ill]

Ok I'll copy and paste what I've already said in regards to this Pinker fellow. Maybe you wont ignore....

We're now in the 21st century. Not the 20th. At least use close timelines when you're talking about "current times". We're putting our faith in a Harvard educated, accredited, and well respected person. The probability of him being correct is very high. The probability of a God existing is very low. The professors thesis can be dissected and proven/disproven. God can't because he's not real. Where did he get his stats from? I don't know. I didn't do his research for him. If you've ever been in higher education then you should know where he finds his sources. National governments put out statistics. Well respected advocacy groups put out statistics, etc. They don't just make this stuff up out of thin air like someone claiming the Holy Spirit told them what to write in the Bible. Economic warfare has gone on since the start of humanity. Kings (Ironic with your name and all) hoarded all of the cash and their people were slaves to them. The opportunities of wealth for the common man is greater than before. I'd talk more finance with you but from your posts I don't think you truly understand finance so I won't go deeper into that.

 

[Everythingg]

You're right. The post wasn't directed at me, so I read about two paragraphs and responded. What I read of what you said was pure basura so I didn't feel a need to continue.

Yea Im seeing how deflections work now.

I don't think the national debt is as large of a problem as some make it out to be. I, for one, don't believe debt to be necessarily a bad thing, in fact it could be good. Besides...there is a global incentive to keep the US from defaulting.

Debt is good? So you're child is going off to college are you going to encourage him to accumulate debt? And to the extent that the US has? Riduloso. Theres nothing good about debt let alone the amount that the US has accumulated.

Again, I just disagree. I'm not saying racism, institutionalized or other, no longer exists and the world is perfect. What I'm saying is, the overall trend is towards one with fewer bigots, and fewer policies that favor certain demographics over others. I don't know why you would think it's getting worse when a few decades ago, black men were openly killed with the police doing nothing. At least now some of those cops who are beating black men are facing consequences. Saying this denegrades the real second class status our ancestors experienced. Smh man...

No it doesnt. Because they wouldnt be happy with what we are experiencing either. They wouldnt be happy with how the media portrays us. They wouldnt be happy with how our alleged black "leaders" are leading us. They wouldnt be happy with our children having role models that are sell outs They wouldnt be happy with people losing their houses to banks, but when the banks eff up, they get bailed out ( on who's dollar again?) . Nope. They would be up in arms about these things and more. You seem fine with how things are which tells me that you dont know how they are.

I gloss over it because I don't think it happens nearly as often, and without legal consequences as it did in the past.

Its happening. Thats the point. And its not being stopped or even considered.

I don't know what you mean by this: "You're free to leave whenever you want to leave the US. But speak up on whats happening in the world and you're silenced."

Do you believe any gov't respects dissidents?

Malcolm?
JFK?
MLK?

Well, where are you going to find that? And freedom from what exactly? See, I don't know your particular story or your past, and it might be more beneficial for you to get up out of here. I just can't imagine what might be better. And, to be honest, I don't want anywhere else. To me, this is home. There are problems with the system, but I'd much rather try to voice my concerns and contribute towards changing it than leaving.

Theres few places that arent affected by imperialism so I dont know where I could go. And I feel that on staying and voicing my opinion, but just doing that on the net aint gonna do much. Look what I got in this thread People didnt even want to discuss like you are doing now. Just name called and ran out the thread only to come in later to harp on one point so they can get some daps. (you did this once :though now you're discussing like men can and should) Nonetheless, I want to voice my concerns. But MLK did what happpened to him? Malcolm X? Tupac? Lauryn Hill? I mean I can go on really.

I don't know what this idealed concept of freedom you have ... I have a more pragmatic view of it. Freedom can be cold, and hard. When I think of "true freedom" I think of like .. wild west, where it's almost anarchy. And I don't look back in the past with any kind of nostalgia ... especially being a black man.

I dont think people should have their gardens destroyed because of frivolous reasons

http://www.naturalnews.com/036234_edible_landscaping_medicinal_plants_Tulsa.html

I dont think it should be illegal to hand out food to the homeless...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-hugh-hollowell/feeding-homeless-raleigh-police_b_3817641.html

In a free country, would either of these acts be considered illegal?