Why doesn't Disco music get props for being the mother of House music?

[Harry B]

I thought everyone knew that, I just don't think giving props is a popular subject among people who don't really give a fukk about the edm genre but will play popular songs or go to clubs and let the DJ handle that. Giorgio Moroder had a 2 minute speech on last years most talked about album and they even named the song after him.

I mean how often do you talk about the origins of hiphop? We are all deep hiphop heads and we never talk about the origins of hiphop. It's not that interesting and the music of today is too far from the early music that was heavily inspired by the genres it took it grew from.

 

[Art Barr]

all cause disco is the fall of quality music recording and the absence of social culture.
so, it just changes names from house to EDM.
to stay out the crosshairs of the dialogue for how damaging it is to the music industry and other culture's that produce music.
hiphop is strictly against house/disco/EDM.
yet, people from house/disco/edm, go above and beyound to be culture thieves to hiphop.
to lengthen its draw, when it just needs to die.
the death it should have died back in the seventies, all together.



art barr

 

[Yapdatfool]

Why doesn't Robert Johnson (and blues) get props for birthing Rock N Roll?
Different question, same answer.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

hiphop is strictly against house/disco/EDM.
yet, people from house/disco/edm, go above and beyound to be culture thieves to hiphop.
to lengthen its draw, when it just needs to die.

You do realize that HipHop or early park Jams began as really b*stardized or "hood" Disco but with Funk (Funky Disco and Disco-Funk) songs instead? This HipHp being anti-Disco is one of the biggest myths ever created.













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[IllmaticDelta]

Disco crowd MC who pioneered "Rapping" as we know it today

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I still listen to disco to this day.

Post disco was great too. The bands out of NYC on that shyt (Unlimited Touch, Slave, etc) really put in work. The music is timeless.

 

[Easy-E]

It's really annoying how Disco is so musically unappreciated. The Disco backlash in the late 70's was no doubt racial by the accounts I've read.

Lemme get one of those accounts.

The Disco-ish (Before Thriller & Destiny) era Michael Jackson--even as a 25 year old--is my favorite.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Heading out to this reunion right now!!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Vocal version of "Loves Theme"

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I love that NY post disco.....

Heres some rare joints









This last one.... I thought this song was about Jamaica the country until I heard him shout out Gertz Mall on Jamaica Ave

This shyt captures the old nikkas on the block cat callin all the chicks going to school or work PERFECTLY

One of those songs that instantly takes me home.... so NY, Im buzzed and getting nostalgic just thinking about it

 

[Art Barr]

You do realize that HipHop or early park Jams began as really b*stardized or "hood" Disco but with Funk (Funky Disco and Disco-Funk) songs instead? This HipHp being anti-Disco is one of the biggest myths ever created.













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first off, i don't need links.
where you try to offer me anything about hiphop.
that tries to campaign for a dj hollywood period.
i know this without video links or youtube footage.
as i been a hardcore bboy since i was five years old, and really lived this culture.
so, i don't need to follow any duck propaganda that talks about dj hollywood or disco.
or anyone, beaugoise, who are trying to campaign like they were taking the culture somewhere.
just because they partook in a party era.
when, hiphop is more than the party era and more culturally as well.

especially as far as old school versus new school way of thought is concerned.

first off, i know and lived it.
that you don't know, but you talking about the difference between two types of situations.

beaugoise and hardcore

when, hardcore phased out beaugoise to stamp out the culturally degrading direction beaugoise or oldschool had on the direction of the culture.
hence, new school taking over, and squelching beaugoise for the betterment of the culture.

disco is the most degrading form of non-culturally enriched pop music.
it is a poison to culture, and anything associated with it.
it is a reason, hiphop flourished before re-inviting disco/beaugoise based practices back into its only remaining pillar of business rap.


you need to quit with anything you talembout as far as trying to prop disco.
with a real bboy like me around.

also, fukk dj hollywood.

as it been fukk dj hollywood since, fukk'n 83, joe.



art barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

when, hiphop is more than the party era and more culturally as well.

HipHop culture is many things but one thing that can't be denied is that Disco along with Funk music and Disco djing are the fathers of HipHop musically.

first off, i know and lived it.
that you don't know, but you talking about the difference between two types of situations.

beaugoise and hardcore

Even the hardcore you're refering to kept the Disco influence. They just did bboyinng-poping & locking instead of the hustle and the bump

disco is the most degrading form of non-culturally enriched pop music.
it is a poison to culture, and anything associated with it.

You're talking about the mainstream picture (studio 54 type) of commercial Disco/club culture. It has nothing to the with the actual music as it was originally made in the black community.

it is a reason, hiphop flourished before re-inviting disco/beaugoise based practices back into its only remaining pillar of business rap.

HipHop culture always had a Disco influenced element. They didn't need to "re-invite" it.

Like Chuck D said.... "Gamble and Huff invented Disco music and it was dope so there was no shame and since Rap came from Disco,Gamble and Huff are the forefathers of Hiphop"

also take note on what Gradmaster Flash (who by the way got his name from the Disco DJ,Grandmaster Flowers) was listening to in that article above

you need to quit with anything you talembout as far as trying to prop disco.
with a real bboy like me around.

I only speak the truth

also, fukk dj hollywood.

as it been fukk dj hollywood since, fukk'n 83, joe.



art barr

Disco dj/mc, Hollywood taught/introduced syncopated rhyming to the beat to them sneaker wearing Bronx cats

Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture



Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 keeps it real

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"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!"


http://allhiphop.com/2013/08/20/zul...t-hip-hop-and-is-misrepresenting-the-culture/

A Disco Dj/MC coined the phrase that gave the culture it's name..."Hip Hop"

 

[Art Barr]

HipHop culture is many things but one thing that can't be denied is that Disco along with Funk music and Disco djing are the fathers of HipHop musically.






Even the hardcore you're refering to kept the Disco influence. They just did bboyinng-poping & locking instead of the hustle and the bump





You're talking about the mainstream picture (studio 54 type) of commercial Disco/club culture. It has nothing to the with the actual music as it was originally made in the black community.



HipHop culture always had a Disco influenced element. They didn't need to "re-invite" it.

Like Chuck D said.... "Gamble and Huff invented Disco music and it was dope so there was no shame and since Rap came from Disco,Gamble and Huff are the forefathers of Hiphop"

also take note on what Gradmaster Flash (who by the way got his name from the Disco DJ,Grandmaster Flowers) was listening to in that article above





I only speak the truth





Disco dj/mc, Hollywood taught/introduced syncopated rhyming to the beat to them sneaker wearing Bronx cats

Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture



Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 keeps it real

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"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!"


http://allhiphop.com/2013/08/20/zul...t-hip-hop-and-is-misrepresenting-the-culture/

A Disco Dj/MC coined the phrase that gave the culture it's name..."Hip Hop"

i know about beaugoise.
you don't know cause you want to be a house duck.
so, you keep trying to talk about old talking points that were phased out in the newschool way of thought.
just because sugar hill based recording practices take place in the majors.
still doesn't not change the fact that old school/beaugoise was phased out in the new school way of thought.
as far, as the culture of hiphop is concerned.
a real hardcore bboy knows these things.
only a house duck would sit and continue to bring up old talk points that were phased out.

art barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

i know about beaugoise.
you don't know cause you want to be a house duck.
so, you keep trying to talk about old talking points that were phased out in the newschool way of thought.
just because sugar hill based recording practices take place in the majors.
still doesn't not change the fact that old school/beaugoise was phased out in the new school way of thought.

they weren't phased out. There would be no HipHop Djing style if not for the Disco djing style.

As far as djing, I never heard of any Jamaican DJ doing backspins, cutting, blends, scratches, chops,etc. All they do is slam records, and literally start the record over. I'm not dissing them because they do those things well but that is nothing like turntablism that we do in the states. These things should be mentioned when people say Jamaica was the home of the creation of hip hop.

I don't how anyone could look at the sound system turntable operators and think HipHop djing came from that considering they didn't even use 2 turntables and a mixer for continuous mixing. That came straight from Disco.

Although Herc was known for letting records play before and beyond their breaks (sometimes, to the consternation of some observers, including the “wack” or undesirable parts, or all the way to the end of a track), perhaps his most lasting legacy is the practice of isolating and extending these breakbeats, transforming the fleeting, funky moments into loops that could last for many minutes. Eventually, by employing two turntables and two copies of a record, Herc developed what he called the “Merry-Go-Round” technique. Dropping the needle back to the beginning of the break on one record just as the other was about to end, and repeating the process ad infinitum, Herc could keep a break — and a crowd of b-boys — breaking for as long as that particular section would work. Though the hip-hop story has enshrined Herc as the first to isolate and repeat breakbeats in this way, it should be noted that Herc’s technical proficiency was never exactly heralded, and so his focus on and liberation of the break should perhaps be understood more as an aesthetic than a technical achievement. Later DJs, such as Grandmaster Flash, influenced by Herc’s model but more virtuosic in their control over the turntables and mixer, would improve on the formula, moving beyond drop-the-needle imprecision by backspinning, scratching, and cutting the records while cueing them via monitoring headphones, thus allowing one to mix breaks more seamlessly into one another and to isolate shorter and shorter sections for repetition.

As an element of style, Herc’s less-than-seamless, stop-and-start approach to selection draws yet another connection to reggae performance practice. Whereas hip-hop DJing — partly related to its roots in disco and the club scene — has since developed in a manner that privileges smooth, beat-matched transitions between tracks, reggae selecting has remained a style more defined by stark cuts and mixes. This is often the case even when a selector is “juggling,” or mixing sequentially, several songs on the same underlying riddim: when a popular song receives requests for a “pull up,” the selector rewinds it, usually suddenly and audibly, and lets it play again. Reggae-style selecting arises partly out of the constraints of using a single turntable

Herc tried to the Disco Djing style but he never caught on. Disco djing is where Herc got the idea to use 2 copies of the same record with 2 turntables. They never did that in Jamaican sound system culture. For example

This video is a good example of the transition from pure Disco Djing to HipHop djing before the scratching and other tricks came in. This is like playing the break parts but with smooth disco djing skills.




This is a great example when it fully came into it's own and added new ideas such as back spinning and scratching

as far, as the culture of hiphop is concerned.
a real hardcore bboy knows these things.
only a house duck would sit and continue to bring up old talk points that were phased out.

art barr

Yeah, that's why we have hardcore hiphop Dj's/producers from the oldschool like 45 King doing mixes like



Grandmaster Flash dropping tapes like

and Marley Marl doing

..those oldschool pioneering HipHop Dj's all played and listened to Disco

 

[Majestyx]

this is the funk/disco episode of the history of rock n roll - make it funky [this > that time warner made bullsit]

this is from a music doc called "history of rock n roll", that aired on pbs years ago (i recorded on vhs, to give you an idea of the time)

for those of you to bothered to watch...
disco - an offshoot of funk, mostly made for/by black folks, record companies see the money being made introduced saturday night fever and the bee gees - they suck all the funk out of the music, narrowing it down to "the disco beat" (used over, and over, and over)...

this is why i hated disco when i was a youngster, i had only heard the shyt with just the 'disco beat' it wasnt until i ecame a dj, and older homies kinda scholled and i was like....
the good shyt has a heavy funk influence