Why doesn't Disco music get props for being the mother of House music?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

you forgot....



before anyone knew who robin thicke was lol

Man, I was trying to forget that joint. Track was everywhere around here.

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[Walt]

Y'all need to revisit the Mizell Brothers too.

 

[scuba]

In the effort to keep the history accurate you got to remember a couple things. By the time disco died off many of the core black artists we remember from that period hated it... I am not saying that racism, the white male etc were not involved in the disco negative fallout... I am just saying that's not all it was.

It wasn't that blacks just loved disco and the white man was hating...

It was more that disco killed everything else because record companies saw a cash cow... Disco killed soul, disco killed blues... Many black soul and blues artists hated disco because record labels would not let them put out anything else...

You got to remember back in the 70s there was black music and white music, and the genres were kept very separate. Disco was really the first time labels were really push the same stuff to everyone across colors and ages... The continued force feeding and enforcement of a very narrow sound is what fueled the backlash... And plenty of blacks were as mad as the rockers

 

[IllmaticDelta]

In the effort to keep the history accurate you got to remember a couple things. By the time disco died off many of the core black artists we remember from that period hated it... I am not saying that racism, the white male etc were not involved in the disco negative fallout... I am just saying that's not all it was.

They hated the popular tag of "Disco" because of the connotations that started getting attached to the term. Songs like "Disco Duck" and the Village People caused this to happen

It wasn't that blacks just loved disco and the white man was hating...

Disco backlash was like 95% based on salty rock heads and conservative whites. Sure, there were black people that hated Pop Disco but not Disco in general. This is why the record companies changed Disco to "Dance". This allowed people to still put out Disco/Disco based music which lead to Boogie, Synth-Pop, House,Techno, Freestyle, Garage etc..in the 1980's

It was more that disco killed everything else because record companies saw a cash cow...

true

Disco killed soul,

Soul music was still being made side by side with Disco

disco killed blues...

Nah, Soul killed the Blues in the black community

Many black soul and blues artists hated disco because record labels would not let them put out anything else...

There were still Blues, Soul, Funk, Gospel etc.. records being put out during the Disco era. What the "Disco" tag did do was get all Soul and Funk artists grouped with Disco when the backlash came.

You got to remember back in the 70s there was black music and white music, and the genres were kept very separate. Disco was really the first time labels were really push the same stuff to everyone across colors and ages...

70's is when the labels/radio stations tried to divide the music by race or with a Rockist POV, in the 60's this wasn't true. How do you think Motown got thename "The Sound Of Young America" instead of the "Sound of Black America"?

The continued force feeding and enforcement of a very narrow sound is what fueled the backlash...

Oversaturation played a part for sure

And plenty of blacks were as mad as the rockers

Clearly not as mad a rockers or else modern EDM-Dance music would have never been born in the USA. This is why mainstream dance culture in America died after Disco even when you had newer sounds/artists in the 1980's. They had to go to Europe/UK to get noticed and appreciated.

 

[The Dust King]

@wenzel washington

y did u 1 star this thread

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is in the 1980's when "Disco" was said to be finished

 

[scuba]

70's is when the labels/radio stations tried to divide the music by race or with a Rockist POV, in the 60's this wasn't true. How do you think Motown got thename "The Sound Of Young America" instead of the "Sound of Black America"?

You have bought up a lot of valid points and your argument is overall persuasive BUT this part is way off. There was a split in how records were radio played, sold and marketed that was very tightly aligned to racial lines in the 1960s. 'The sound of young america' thing is a relative classification, compared to the 1950s the 1960s was a merging of black and white music... but we are talking relative compared to the 1950s norm of absolutely no blacks on white radio, and whites on black radio... the late 1970s disco invasion was a much larger scale.

The 'backlash' as far as it goes definitely had elements of racism and homophobia to it... but that and the rock label manufactured 'protests' were a spark. They wouldnt have been enough to consume disco IF it didnt strike a chord. I mean lets not forget the multiple backlashes against hip hop music, the reason why it didnt 'work' against hip hop was because there wasnt an underlying dislike across enough people for it to take hold. You got to keep in mind, disco was practically non existent in 1973 by 1978 it was that majority of what american radio played, and we are talking about black radio, white radio, etc rock and roll stations were closing down... imagine the kinda backlash that would inspire if say 2/3rds of songs across radio was dominated by hip hop in 1988 after the music was just created in 1983... then disco went from ruling the charts in 1979 to cant get a single legit hit in 1980.

While there were definite 'conspiracy' to silence disco and what it represented it worked because the majority of the record buying public didnt have a deep ingrained love for the music, they were force fed it for a while, and so when they werent force fed anymore they moved in another direction.



it was too much too fast

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is the commercial Disco image that didn't represent the underground

You have bought up a lot of valid points and your argument is overall persuasive BUT this part is way off. There was a split in how records were radio played, sold and marketed that was very tightly aligned to racial lines in the 1960s. '

This isn't true for the 1960's. C'mon, only in the 1960's before Martin Luther was killed did you have a true blend in the commercial pop music. Im not including 80's to present music, for the record. You could have only had Stax in the 60's

The sound of young america' thing is a relative classification, compared to the 1950s the 1960s was a merging of black and white music... but we are talking relative compared to the 1950s norm of absolutely no blacks on white radio, and whites on black radio...

Black pop songs were played all over white radio in the 60's.

the late 1970s disco invasion was a much larger scale.

The divide was bigger then for sure

The 'backlash' as far as it goes definitely had elements of racism and homophobia to it... but that and the rock label manufactured 'protests' were a spark. They wouldnt have been enough to consume disco IF it didnt strike a chord.

Disco never went anywhere though. They just started calling it dance and it was still influencing the pop music of the time

I mean lets not forget the multiple backlashes against hip hop music, the reason why it didnt 'work' against hip hop was because there wasnt an underlying dislike across enough people for it to take hold.

There may have been a bigger dislike on HipHop from the same crowd that hated Disco outside of the homophobic element, the difference is that HipHop started attracting the young white rebellious crowd that Disco couldn't because it was seen as "gay" music.

You got to keep in mind, disco was practically non existent in 1973 by 1978 it was that majority of what american radio played, and we are talking about black radio, white radio, etc rock and roll stations were closing down... imagine the kinda backlash that would inspire if say 2/3rds of songs across radio was dominated by hip hop in 1988 after the music was just created in 1983... then disco went from ruling the charts in 1979 to cant get a single legit hit in 1980.

Disco was around since 1970 but there wasn't a chart for that music. So the songs were charting under Pop or R&B before the mid-70's. I agree, oversaturation did play a part.

While there were definite 'conspiracy' to silence disco and what it represented it worked because the majority of the record buying public didnt have a deep ingrained love for the music, they were force fed it for a while, and so when they werent force fed anymore they moved in another direction.

Remember, white people for the most part were only into Rock, so that's what they supported. When Disco blew up, it was because white people jumped on the bandwagon . This wasn't true for the latin (puerto rican) and black populations and even some whites (tons of north eastern usa jews & italians) who were in the know.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

When you listen to what they was calling new Wave or Synth-Pop in the 80's you were still hearing that funky Disco sound just being played on different instruments and stripped down

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

While there were definite 'conspiracy' to silence disco and what it represented it worked because the majority of the record buying public didnt have a deep ingrained love for the music, they were force fed it for a while, and so when they werent force fed anymore they moved in another direction.

No. We LOVED disco. What we hated was what the corporations did with it. Like a video posted earlier alluded to, there were people making disco records that had NO business doing so.

You ever watch the movie 'An American Werewolf in London'? You remember the name of the actor who played the lead role? If not, this is how I was introduced to him.......



.....I said I wasn't going to post anymore embarrassing trash, but I had to.

GODDAMN THIS SUCKS ASS!!!!!

While that garbage was being played EVERYWHERE, those of us with taste and rhythm were listening to this......


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Unfortunately, everything with the label 'disco' was lumped together. Those who had no knowledge of the culture (and couldn't dance worth a damn) couldn't discriminate between the good tracks and the garbage since the garbage became prevalent after 'Saturday Night Fever'. We tried to keep it alive, but it was no use. 'Black' people, however, are extremely good at adapting. We saw what was happening and came up with substitutes (boogie, Hi-NRG, electro-funk, house, adult contemporary, etc.) which are all derivatives of 'disco'. We didn't have to 'go in a different direction' since the reason disco was created was to dance. We've kept most of the sounds and the tempo, we just discarded the label.

THIS is what 'disco' turned into.......







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[IllmaticDelta]

No. We LOVED disco. What we hated was what the corporations did with it. Like a video posted earlier alluded to, there were people making disco records that had NO business doing so.
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Unfortunately, everything with the label 'disco' was lumped together. Those who had no knowledge of the culture (and couldn't dance worth a damn) couldn't discriminate between the good tracks and the garbage since the garbage became prevalent after 'Saturday Night Fever'. We tried to keep it alive, but it was no use. 'Black' people, however, are extremely good at adapting. We saw what was happening and came up with substitutes (boogie, Hi-NRG, electro-funk, house, adult contemporary, etc.) which are all derivatives of 'disco'. We didn't have to 'go in a different direction' since the reason disco was created was to dance. We've kept most of the sounds and the tempo, we just discarded the label.

THIS is what 'disco' turned into.......
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The bolded point is what people who think Disco just vanished are missing. Those sounds were still rooted in the Disco sound, they just no longer had the full orchestra/band but a more stripped down version with more synths and electronics. Don't forget this

 

[patscorpio]

i love threads like this..that really talk about music..salute

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

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