Why do some black people claim obviously mixed people as black?

IllmaticDelta

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When they slip into white communities they date white and their kids date white and so on. Segregation still happens to this day which this map will show you:
The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.

what Im saying is that by those individuals slipping into the white population it obscures just how much admx was in and then left the Afram population. For example



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The info below gives some info on the dynamics of the line of demarcation between the "old issue negroes" and the newly freed slaves in Carolinas and Virginia



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what Im saying is that by those individuals slipping into the white population it obscures just how much admx was in and then left the Afram population. For example
Ok

Yet my original statement was that AAs and EAs thanks to segregation in most areas have more of us with low levels of admixure than those with high levels of admixure.

Many EAs made sure that the line was never too blurred even with some mixing occurring thanks to rape, some slipping under the radar and later on IR.
 
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Ok

Yet my original statement was that AAs and EAs thanks to segregation have more of us with low levels of admixure than those with high levels of admixure.

but what you're saying is false because with the one drop rule whites tried to enforce it to keep afro descendants and themselves "pure" but it backfired on their side because of "invisible blackness" and they ended up mixing with "white looking" people of african descent. Meaning aframs had higher rates of admx back then, but looking white made it easy for them to leave the black community and go into the white one



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Why did a well known and successful white man pretend to be black in the late 1800s --- only to reveal the truth on his deathbed?


Clarence King was a blond blue blood from Newport who distinguished himself at an early age. He traveled West in the 1860s, found work with the California State Geological Survey, helped to map the Sierra and became geologist in charge of the United States Geological Exploration of the 40th Parallel in 1867, when he was 25. He then became a familiar luminary in both New York and Washington. But his early years of roaming were just a prelude to what seems to have been a permanently rootless state.

Or so it seemed to his friends, who became used to his unexpected absences and thought of him as a perennial bachelor. What they did not know was that when Clarence was not living in various clubs and hotels, he was married and the father of five children.

He was deeply devoted to his wife, (Ada Copeland), a black woman 19 years his junior. This blue-eyed man, descended from signers of the Magna Carta, had successfully cultivated the impression that he was black, too.

The existence of Ada and their children became publicly known only in 1933, at a trial in which Ada tried to recover the trust fund Clarence had promised her.

He had been dead for more than 30 years, so the shock waves generated by the trial were considerable. Most dramatic, is the way that revisionists demoted Clarence from hero to "tragic hero," not to mention "the most lavishly overpraised man of his time," upon discovering that he had been married to a former slave. This was typical of the sickening headlines surrounding the trial: "Mammy Bares Life as Wife of Scientist."

All of this has long been a matter of record. The fact that King went further than merely marrying Ada and concealing her existence from his friends and family. He also adopted the name James Todd, under which he married Ada, and claimed to be a Pullman Porter, a job held exclusively by black workers. Employment on a train helped explain to Ada why he was so well traveled and so frequently absent from home. (Later he would claim to be a clerk and a steelworker too.)

Clarence's wife Ada came from Georgia, was born pre-Emancipation and traveled to New York City to live as a domestic and children's nursemaid. In other words, she went from one set of strictures to another, and only with King did she achieve some kind of autonomy in a middle-class household.

Todd family members were variously designated "white," "negro" or "mulatto," based not on evidence but on context. Ada and Clarence's sons were deemed black when seen with their dark-skinned mother. But their two daughters married white men and effectively turned themselves into white women.

"Civilization so narrows the gamut!" King once wrote to Hay. "Respectability lets the human pendulum swing over such a pitiful little arc." But in rebelling against that notion, King created an arc wider than anything he might have imagined and lived a more profound lie than dissemblers about race or gender usually can.

The book 'Passing Strange' by Martha A. Sandweiss offers a fine, mesmerizing account of how one extremely secretive man, "acting from a complicated mix of loyalty and self-interest, reckless desire and social conservatism," could encapsulate his country's shifting ideas about race in the course of one family's anything but black-and-white history.

*Dying of tuberculosis he would eventually reveal his secret to his wife and children. His wife (Ada Copeland) assumed her husband to be a 'mulatto.' *

"PASSING STRANGE"
A Gilded Age Tale
of Love and Deception
Across the Color Line
By Martha A. Sandweiss
Penguin Press



Untangling a hidden life

The New York Times' book critic Janet Maslin named "Passing Strange" one of the top 10 books of the year, calling it "a fine, mesmerizing account of how one extremely secretive man … could encapsulate his country's shifting ideas about race." The film rights to the book have been optioned by HBO.

Born in 1842, Clarence King was raised in Newport by parents of old American stock and was educated at Yale University. He became famous in his 20s as the leader of the U.S. Geological Exploration of the Fortieth Parallel, which mapped the West. Later he was the first director of the U.S. Geological Survey, a close friend of historian Henry Adams and a much-admired dinner guest at society parties in New York.

At the age of 46, King married Ada Copeland, who was then working in New York as a children's nursemaid, in a religious ceremony at her aunt's house. (Since there was no civil ceremony, it is considered a common-law marriage.) Ada, 19 years his junior, lived with their children in Brooklyn and later Queens, attributing her husband's long absences to his job as a Pullman porter, a position held exclusively by black men. King kept his secret well hidden. Sandweiss never found a photo of the couple together or any photos of King with his children.

King's ability to conceal a black wife and children who lived in the same city was only possible because of New York's unique attributes, Sandweiss said.

"New York had segregated neighborhoods and excellent public transportation," she pointed out. King lived as a bachelor in all-white gentleman's clubs in Manhattan, and hopped on the streetcar when he wanted to visit his family in another borough.

But the most amazing part of King's story is that someone with fair hair and blue eyes was accepted as a black man. He managed it, Sandweiss said, because of the so-called "one-drop" laws passed in the South during Reconstruction, which declared that someone with one black great-grandparent was considered legally black.

"The laws were meant to make it very difficult to move from one racial category to the other," Sandweiss said. "Ironically, they made it very possible to do that, because you could claim an ancestry -- or more often hide an ancestry -- that was invisible in the color of your skin.
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AT LEFT: This 1879 photo of Clarence King was taken while he served as director of the United States Geological Survey. (Photo: Courtesy of the U.S. Geological Survey Photographic Library) AT RIGHT Ada Copeland King, pictured in 1933, is accompanied by her son, Wallace, whose father was Clarence King. (Photo: Courtesy of the New York Daily News)

King finally confessed to his wife and family by letter in 1901 from Arizona, where he died of tuberculosis. Ada, who died in 1964 at the age of 103, was one of the last living former slaves in the United States.

Sandweiss' research led her to a living relative of Ada's who had known her well -- her great-granddaughter, Patricia Chacon, who shared memories and photos of Ada.

Anxiety about race continued to play a significant role in the lives of the couple's descendants. Their two daughters married as white, each vouching for the other's racial identity at city hall, "which meant they had to leave their mother at home, because she was dark-complected," Sandweiss said. Their granddaughter, Thelma, whom Ada raised, married a white man who, according to Sandweiss' book, "hinted that her mixed racial heritage should remain a secret. ... Anxious about what her own children might look like, Thelma adopted two white infants in the 1950s."

"The vexing problem of race stalked this family for many years," Sandweiss said.

Princeton University - Sandweiss unearths a compelling tale of secret racial identity

Many EAs made sure that the line was never too blurred even with some mixing occurring thanks to rape or later on IR.

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but what you're saying is false because with the one drop rule whites tried to enforce it to keep afro descendants and themselves "pure" but it backfired on their side because of "invisible blackness" and they ended up mixing with "white looking" people of african descent. Meaning aframs had higher rates of admx back then, but looking white made it easy for them to leave the black community and go into the white one

Princeton University - Sandweiss unearths a compelling tale of secret racial identity

see above
That doesnt make what I say false.

It just shows one of the many ways white people got a minimal amount of black in them. Yet they still had many places where they didnt allow any blacks to go near.

Most who claim biracial are usually close to 50% and not near 20%
 

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That doesnt make what I say false.

It's false because in a weird way the rule allowed a big portion of heavily mixed aframs to leave the afram community and go into the white one. The segregation that they tried to enforce didn't really work.

It just shows one of the many ways white people got a minimal amount of black in them. Yet they still had many places where they didnt allow any blacks to go near.

the black ancestry and the overall white american population counts for the total white american population but we sould focus on the whites (older stock) who lived in areas where blacks were heavily concentrated, which was mainly the South.

Most who claim biracial are usually close to 50% and not near 20%

if one were to reintroduce the 75 million white identified people of african descent as "black" based on the One Drop Rule back into the Afram community, the amount of white admx would skyrocket which is exactly what I mean by the true rate of intermixing is obscured.
 

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Apparently, in the United States, there is a "One drop rule" that black people here came up with to claim everyone that has a black ancestor.
Look if thats their coping mechanism then just go with it :yeshrug:

"black" people didn't come up with the One Drop Rule as a rule, that's a white american creation but mixed looking AfroEuopeans in the USA were definitely "One Dropping" themselves as "Black" or "negro" before white people created the rule/law.
 

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It's false because in a weird way the rule allowed a big portion of heavily mixed aframs to leave the afram community and go into the white one. The segregation that they tried to enforce didn't really work.

the black ancestry and the overall white american population counts for the total white american population but we sould focus on the whites (older stock) who lived in areas where blacks were heavily concentrated, which was mainly the South.

if one were to reintroduce the 75 million white identified people of african descent as "black" based on the One Drop Rule back into the Afram community, the amount of white admx would skyrocket which is exactly what I mean by the true rate of intermixing is obscured.
That doesnt make what I said false.

Those people who went to white communities mixed with whites and had their biracial kids going with other more pure whites which brought them back to white. All it did was mix a bunch of white people with the black people who had a lot of white in them to pass which does nothing when the majority in those areas were more pure and only mixed with black people who had mostly white in them.

When you realize that their kids would of most likely ended up going with the majority in those areas who are white and knowing that black features show more the closer you are to black then you can see how a lot of white people made sure not to mix too much and had alarms raised when darker skin and certain hair and facial types appeared among their populace.
 
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:jbhmm: Is it because they are attracted to none black features but are ashamed to admit it?

It's because the original definition of black in America is the one drop rule you f*cking wet dog smelling mayonnaise eating hair gel using toejam having soulless culture robbing wealth robbing nation robbing miserable Napoleonic complex having animal f*cking necrophiliac diseased melanin deficient inbred pig eating latent homosexual bad teeth having hockey playing inferiority complex having warmongering drug using community destabilizing CAC retard :pacspit:
 
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"I am on God's side"

He was being spiritual, you dummy. Forget he was religious? :mjlol: He was pro-black and pan-african. Rastas by default are pro-black.
Nope he was being pro-equality which are what biracials usually are. Rastas are a weird Ethiopian-Christian cult but that's another story.
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Pro-black :troll:. He was an equal opportunity dater and didn't take sides.
 
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