why do people assume its not pro black to date Light Skinned/Mixed people ?

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grassroots organizers such as Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, academics such as W. E. B. Du Bois, and others in the diaspora





the shyt you just quoted is from a more recent person...not from the days of WEB Dubois and Garvey:mjlol:
Garvey was Jamaican not American. Rastafari comes from where? I'll give you a hint, its not Jamaica. Garvey was heavily influenced by King Haile.

Du Bois's suggestion, the word "colored", rather than "black"
whoops.

It is widely accepted that King Selassie is the father of Pan Africanism who inspired everyone else.
Haile Selassie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1963, Haile Selassie presided over the formation of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU), the precursor of the continent-wide African Union (AU). The new organization would establish its headquarters in Addis Ababa. In May of that year, Haile Selassie was elected as the OAU's first official chairperson, a rotating seat. Along with Modibo Keïta of Mali, the Ethiopian leader would later help successfully negotiate the Bamako Accords, which brought an end to the border conflict between Morocco and Algeria. In 1964, Haile Selassie would initiate the concept of the United States of Africa, a proposition later taken up by Muammar Gaddafi.
 

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Nothig in life worth having is easy. The AU should strive to become like the EU, with all its benefits to security and prosperity. Free migration should be allowed across African regions whenever possible and access to markets should be stressed so that, for example, Nigerians can sell their ingenuity and wares in Ghana, Congo and even Sudan. Jobs and capital will flow through the tremendous untapped market potential of Africa and all will benefit. The Europeans and Asians will cower too as Africans ramp up their security and put an end to successive losses, embarassments and genocides committed by Europeans, Arabs, etc.

Sure, there will be challenges, political and otherwise, but if the Europeans were able to do it, Africans can too. If peoples like your North Sudanese do not wish to parlay with their fellow Africans, they should be free to go their own way. Let them grovel under the Arabs, like they have been doing anyway. The Southern Sudanese will surely join and hopefully gain the power to one day reclaim their lost Northern land.

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Actually, the process is kind of happening already, but more or less a regional level. For example you have Egyptian businesses along with Sudanese businesses that invested in Khartoum, and you have Sudanese businesses that is investing in Ethiopia along with Chinese among others outside the continent. It was the Libyan government that invested in this hotel, in some sense became the symbol of Khartoum.

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The structure there was funded by the Libyan government.
Corinthia Hotel Khartoum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



As far as investments in each other countries i think it will be benefitical, and no one has a problem with that.

The Southern Sudanese will surely join and hopefully gain the power to one day reclaim their lost Northern land.

You really don't know what you talking about here, even Southern do not make such claims because they know where they come from, and they did not worship "gods" such as isis, horus or other things in that nature, although they were depicted, that does not mean they lived in that region, we have been here from the beginning, Rod. So there is no way getting around that reality, our counterparts in Southern or Upper Egypt look very much identical to us, so that should tell you something. Other than that you did brought up some good points for once and I commend you for that.
 

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Yeah I get that, I was just saying that Jamaica is more like America than Africa, so the fact that Jamaicans would share similar racial identity issues as AAs isn't surprising. Neither is the fact that they find black pride in the US, as they all came over on the same ships, and America was a much larger, and consequently more ideologically active, place than Jamaica. Africa had a totally different dynamic at play.

I understand the difference where you're coming from but many of these same racial or eurocentric ideals that impact "black" people of the Americas also impac "pure" black african nations.





This same thing happened in the 1960's

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African women join the natural hair movement

The natural hair movement is making a resurgence across the continent.




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Frohawk
Can vary from a traditional mohawk shape to a more assymetrical style by shaving one side of the head, leaving afro to grow on the other.

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Puffs
This simple do involves tying afro hair into small or large 'puffs' using elastic bands. Infinite variations from the cute to the corporate.

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Dreadlocks
"It's a very easy style to maintain so you can understand the appeal of it. Once you have dreadlocks form, there's not much you have to do," says blogger Nyachomba Kariuki.

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Updo
By pinning up hair in various patterns and styles the 'updo' can range from the simple to a modern work of art.

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Achieved by twisting hair into little braids before bed. In the morning, release the braids and twists, and the hair takes on the shape of the braid.

Puffs, cornrows, dreadlocks and afros: whatever the style, natural hair is enjoying a resurgence across Africa according to beauty bloggers in Nairobi and Dakar.

"Employers are now more accepting of natural hair," says Nairobi-based natural hair blogger Nyachomba Kariuki (black girl long hair).

According to Kariuki, just a few years ago, if a woman walked into her office with natural hair "people would ask you, 'Why haven't you done your hair? Why is your hair like that? What are you trying to say?,'" she says.

These days, it is becoming almost as accepted in the office as it is at a club on a Saturday night.

Today she estimates that one in five people walking down Nairobi's streets are sporting dreadlocks.

"All sorts of professionals have come out with natural hair. It's not so much viewed as a radical thing. You can just be a normal person and have natural hair.

"You can be an accountant or an investment banker with natural hair."

Shaved heads

The most recent natural hair movement, which is urging women to forgo relaxers and chemicals and embrace natural and curly coifs, originated in the United States, and inspiration still flows to Kenya via African American celebrities, says Kariuki.

"I actually have quite a drastic haircut, longer at the front and shorter on the sides," she says.

"Very, very many ladies in Nairobi are shaving the sides of their heads, and that's also influenced by singers such as Rihanna. It translates here as well."

On the other side of the continent, Dakar-based beauty blogger (thesim-plelifeofmg) and afro-wearing writer Marie Grace Agboton agrees that the revitalised afro movement began in the US but that many of her fellow Dakarois have started to ride the growing wave of natural hair.

"It started small," she says of the trend, "but now we see more and more women wearing afros or who have stopped straightening their hair in the streets of Dakar."

Agboton is a member of N'Happy Galsen, which organises the Rencontre Afro de Dakar for women who are just starting to grow out their hair.

They swap tips on natural hair care products and procedures.

At their September gathering, about two dozen women convened to celebrate and chat about their decisions to go natural.

Why straighten my hair

Maguette Geuye, a journalist, says she has always been a feminist, and she sees wearing her hair in an afro as a natural extension of that mindset.

"I am African, why straighten my hair? I keep my hair as it is. People like me as I am. I am a woman [...]and I won't copy another woman to be accepted by a man," she says.

Owners of local shops and salons in Dakar say they have seen an increase in women wearing their hair in natural styles.

"Without a doubt, it is becoming more popular," says Fatou Ndeye, a salesperson at Les Hairoïnes, a shop in Dakar that sells hair products.

"People have more of a tendency right now to make a transition to natural. So natural products are a lot more popular and sell a lot more."

At the Rencontre Afro de Dakar, the woman cluster together, eagerly sharing stories about when they decided to go the way of the fro and complimenting each others' coifs.

After all, they say, working hard to support each other in this movement is only natural.

African women join the natural hair movement | North Africa
 

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Im not reaching at all.

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Don Cheadle: 81% Black, 19% White, 0% Native

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You're reaching and don't even understand the study.


Although there is some natural variability in black skin tone in the sense a brown skin and darker skin person is natural African variation, the general correlation between skin tone and African ancestry is still strong. Let me explain: the absolute correlation between skin tone and black ancestry is strong, but obscured by the inclusion of brown skin people, whom represent natural variation. This is why study results differ in correlation (but all note one):

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Given the above data and reconciling yours, if one range restricts and compares just light skin and dark skin people, the positive correlation between skin tone and black ancestry would skyrocket from 0.21 and 0.45. So if I take, for example, Benzino and compare him to Aldon Smith, the latter will have more black ancestry and darker skin. Black people are naturally darker skin so dark skin follows black genes.

This essentially means that darker skin IS strongly correlated with black ancestry. And this essentially the debate we're having too in questioning whether light skin and mixed people are black.
 
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Marcus Garvey was influenced by Haile Selassie, Queen Nzinga and Kwame Nkrumah :snoop:
:skip: Are you kidding me? Haile Selassie? Kwame Nkrumah?
Marcus Garvey influenced Kwame Nkrumah and a whole host of African Presidents not the other way around. Their age gap should clue you in. Kwame Nkrumah was only 5yrs old when Garvey founded the UNIA. Here are Nkrumah's own words
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Marcus Garvey was also perhaps the most outspoken critic of Haile Selassie..

Editorial by Marcus Garvey in the Black Man - London, March/April 1937

THE FAILURE OF HAILE SELASSIE AS EMPEROR
When the facts of history are written Haile Selassie of Abyssinia will go down as a great coward who ran away from his country to save his skin and left the millions of his countrymen to struggle through a terrible war that he brought upon them because of his political ignorance and his racial disloyalty.
It is a pity that a man of the limited intellectual calibre and weak political character like Haile Selassie became Emperor of Abyssinia at so crucial a time in the political history of the world. Unfortunately, Abyssinia lost the controlling influence of a political personality of patriotic racial character like the late Menelik, whose loyalty to his race and devotion to his country excelled all his other qualities, to the extent that he was able to use that very strength to continuously safeguard the interests of the Ethiopian Empire. What he did so well to preserve, a cringing, white slave hero worshipper, visionless and disloyal to his country, threw away. This is the impression the serious minded political student forms of the conduct of the ex-Emperor of Abyssinia.

EVERY NEGRO ASHAMED
Every Negro who is proud of his race must be ashamed of the way in which Haile Selassie surrendered himself to the white wolves of Europe. These statements may be considered very severe, and in fact, they are. We could have been otherwise apologetic and sympathetic, but that would have been only if we were dealing with a Coptic Priest or a Religious Monk and not a[n] Emperor who held and presided over the political trust of twelve million people of his own country, and the political destiny of the entire Negro race. This little misguided Emperor could not realise that he held in his hands the political trust of the hundreds of millions of Negroes of the world, men and women, who were looking up toward the firm establishment of political sovereignty, and that Ethiopia, like Liberia and Haiti were to them prizes of glory to be perpetuated and strengthened in the maintenance of the dignity of that black race that other men have claimed to be incompetent, inferior and unworthy, which every black man must disprove.

LOOKED WITH HOPE
When the war started in Abyssinia all Negro nationalists looked with hope to Haile Selassie. They spoke for him, they prayed for him, they sung for him, they did everything to hold up his hands, as Aaron did for Moses; but whilst the Negro peoples of the world were praying for the success of Abyssinia this little Emperor was undermining the fabric of his own kingdom by playing the fool with white men, having them advising him[,] having them telling him what to do, how to surrender, how to call off the successful thrusts of his Rases against the Italian invaders. Yes, they were telling him how to prepare his flight, and like an imbecilic child he followed every advice and then ultimately ran away from his country to England, leaving his people to be massacred by the Italians, and leaving the serious white world to laugh at every Negro and repeat the charge and snare - "he is incompetent," "we told you so." Indeed Haile Selassie has proved the incompetence of the Negro for political authority, but thank God there are Negroes who realise that Haile Selassie did not represent the truest qualities of the Negro race. How could he, when he wanted to play white? how could he, when he surrounded himself with white influence? how could he, when in a modem world, and in a progressive civilization, he preferred a slave State of black men than a free democratic country where the black citizens could rise to the same opportunities as white citizens in their democracies?

TELL THE TRUTH
The truth must be told so that the white world will realise that it was not the pride of the Negro that surrendered in Abyssinia. It was the disloyalty of a single man who was too silly to take pride in his race, who played such a game as to disgrace the political integrity of a noble people. The Negroes of Abyssinia and of the world are satisfied however that Abyssinia was not conquered by Italy and the European forces of Mussolini. Abyssinia was only conquered by the black levies of Italy. The Askaris have really been the victors in Abyssinia. [Rodolfo] Graziani only marched into Addis Ababa after he had made sure of the advanced guard of the Askaris. Every battle that the Italians won in Abyssinia resulted from the advanced charge of the Askaris. It was black men fighting black men, and this was made possible in Abyssinia because the regime of Haile Selassie had given a bad taste to the mouth, not only of the blacks of Abyssinia but of those of the surrounding territories. They felt that they had a cause against the Amharic white loving Emperor who liked to chain and flog black men, and whose brutality to them gave Mussolini the cause to fool the world that he was bestowing a blessing upon the people of Abyssinia by freeing them.

NO SLAVES
It was a piece of impertinence to suggest that black men should be held as slaves. We must admit that we glorified Haile Selassie when the war started, fought his battles to win international support, but we ever felt deep down in our hearts that he was a slave master. We had hoped that if Abyssinia had won that we would have forced the Government of Abyssinia to free the black whom they held as slaves. We would have preferred this than seeing the country taken by Mussolini or any European power; but now that the country is temporarily lost and the Emperor has cowardly exiled himself, the truth must be told.

WHAT RIGHT HAS HE?
The future freedom of Abyssinia must be built upon the highest principles of democracy. That is why it is preferable for the Abyssinian Negroes and the Negroes of the world to work for the restoration and freedom of the country without the assistance of Haile Selassie, because at best he is but a slave master. The Negroes of the Western World whose forefathers suffered for three hundred years under the terrors of slavery ought to be able to appreciate what freedom means. Surely they cannot feel justified in supporting any system that would hold their brothers in slavery in another country whilst they are enjoying the benefits of freedom elsewhere. The Africans who are free can also appreciate the position of slaves in Abyssinia. What right has the Emperor to keep slaves when all the democratic sections of the world were free, when men had the right to live, to develop, to expand, to enjoy all the benefits of human liberty[?]
The Emperor who has been exiled in Europe must have seen the civilization of Europe. In England where he lives he sees that men are not flogged and chained and kicked because of their colour or because of their condition, but where true human liberty guarantees to every man the happiest pursuit he can bring to himself. It has been reported that he is leaving England for Syria, where a large number of Abyssinian refugees are living. There is an interpretation that the decision to leave England and to live among "his people?" in Syria is to perpetuate his divine majesty in the presence of that king worship that he doesn't get in England, where men look at others as equals and not as masters by divine right. In truth, the Emperor is out of place in democratic England. He wants to be once more in the environment of the feudal Monarch who looks down upon his slaves and serfs with contempt. Except he changes the attitude of thinking himself better than the Negro who constitutes the larger number of Ethiopia and profit by the experience he has gained, he should not be a fit person to be in authority in the very country in which he was born. After all, Haile Selassie is just an ordinary man like any other human being. What right has he to hold men as slaves? It is only the misfortune of the slaves that causes him to be a slave master. Negroes who have the dignity of their race at heart resent the impertinence of anyone holding the blacks as slaves. Haile Selassie ought to realise this and abolish his foolish dream of being an Emperor of slaves and serfs and try to be an Emperor of noble men, and for him to be that he must himself be the noblest of them all. He hasn't proved his nobility in the war between Italy and Abyssinia. Ras Desta proved to be the Lord, the Nobleman of Ethiopia whilst Halle Selassie proved a cringing coward!
Hard to see how he could draw influence from someone he didn't hold in high regards.:francis:
 

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Garvey was Jamaican not American.

did you not see WEB Dubois mentioned?



Rastafari comes from where? I'll give you a hint, its not Jamaica. Garvey was heavily influenced by King Haile.


whoops.

It is widely accepted that King Selassie is the father of Pan Africanism who inspired everyone else.
Haile Selassie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Read

W.E.B. Du Bois – The father of modern Pan-Africanism?

But this was not true. Du Bois was proud of his African ancestry and often talked of his African-born great grandfather, whom he said had been brought as a slave to America from the Gulf of Guinea. In 1923, Du Bois paid his first visit to Africa, to a region in Liberia where he believed his ancestors had come from. Despite Marcus Garvey’s attacks on him, Du Bois continued to be viewed by Africans as the father of modern pan-Africanism. His role in establishing the Pan-African Congresses and his agitation for an end to colonialism, made him an inspiration to many African leaders, among them Nigeria’s Nnamdi Azikiwe, who met him while a student in the US, and Ghana’s Kwame Nkrumah, who first met Du Bois at the 1945 Pan-African Congress in Britain. Also there was Kenya’s Jomo Kenyatta and Malawi’s Hastings Banda.

W.E.B. Du Bois - The father of modern Pan-Africanism?


Pan-Africanism

Pan-Africanism, the idea that peoples of African descent have common interests and should be unified. Historically, Pan-Africanism has often taken the shape of a political or cultural movement. There are many varieties of Pan-Africanism. In its narrowest political manifestation, Pan-Africanists envision a unified African nation where all people of the African diaspora can live. (African diaspora refers to the long-term historical process by which people of African descent have been scattered from their ancestral homelands to other parts of the world.) In more-general terms, Pan-Africanism is the sentiment that people of African descent have a great deal in common, a fact that deserves notice and even celebration.

History of Pan-Africanist intellectuals
Pan-Africanist ideas first began to circulate in the mid-19th century in the United States, led by Africans from the Western Hemisphere. The most important early Pan-Africanists were Martin Delany and Alexander Crummel, both African Americans, and Edward Blyden, a West Indian.

Those early voices for Pan-Africanism emphasized the commonalities between Africans and black people in the United States. Delany, who believed that black people could not prosper alongside whites, advocated the idea that African Americans should separate from the United States and establish their own nation. Crummel and Blyden, both contemporaries of Delany, thought that Africa was the best place for that new nation. Motivated by Christian missionary zeal, the two believed that Africans in the New World should return to their homelands and convert and civilize the inhabitants there.

Although the ideas of Delany, Crummel, and Blyden are important, the true father of modern Pan-Africanism was the influential thinker W.E.B. Du Bois. Throughout his long career, Du Bois was a consistent advocate for the study of African history and culture. In the early 20th century, he was most prominent among the few scholars who studied Africa. His statement, made at the turn of the 20th century, that “the problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color line” was made with Pan-Africanist sentiments in mind.

For Du Bois, “the problem of the color line” was not confined merely to the United States and its “Negro Problem.” (During those years, it was common for many in the United States to refer to the problem of African Americans’ social status as the “Negro Problem.”) Du Bois’s famous statement was made with the clear knowledge that many Africans living on the African continent suffered under the yoke of European colonial rule.

Among the more-important Pan-Africanist thinkers of the first decades of the 20th century was Jamaican-born black nationalist Marcus Garvey. In the years after World War I, Garvey championed the cause of African independence, emphasizing the positive attributes of black people’s collective past. His organization, the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA), boasted millions of members, envisioning and then making plans for a return “back to Africa.” Garvey’s Black Star Line, a shipping company established in part to transport blacks back to Africa as well as to facilitate global black commerce, was ultimately unsuccessful.

From the 1920s through the 1940s, among the most-prominent black intellectuals who advocated Pan-Africanist ideas were C.L.R. James and George Padmore, both of whom came from Trinidad. From the 1930s until his death in 1959, Padmore was one of the leading theorists of Pan-African ideas. Also influential were Léopold Senghor and Aimé Césaire, who were natives of Senegal and Martinique, respectively. A disciple of Padmore, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, was also an important figure in Pan-Africanist thought.

Despite their origins outside the United States, such Pan-Africanist thinkers drew many of their ideas from African American culture. Furthermore, James and Padmore resided in the United States for significant periods of time. An exchange of ideas about Africa and peoples of African descent took place between those intellectuals and African Americans, with African Americans taking the lead. It was, in many ways, a black Atlantic intellectual community. Senghor and Césaire, in particular, were greatly influenced by Du Bois and by several Harlem Renaissance writers, especially Countee Cullen, Langston Hughes, and Claude McKay. In the 1930s and ’40s, the African American actor and singer Paul Robeson was also a significant contributor to the continuing exchange of ideas.

By the late 1940s the African American intellectual leadership of the movement had receded, with Africans now taking the lead. That was due in part to the leftist or communist sympathies of many Pan-Africanist advocates, as in the late 1940s and early ’50s, the United States was in the midst of a Red Scare, when Americans with communist affiliations or sympathies were actively persecuted and prosecuted. The most-important figure of this period was Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, who believed that European colonial rule of Africa could be extinguished if Africans could unite politically and economically. Nkrumah went on to lead the movement for independence in Ghana, which came to fruition in 1957. Many African Americans cheered those developments in Africa.

Pan-Africanist cultural thinking reemerged with renewed force in the United States in the late 1960s and ’70s as one of the manifestations of the Black Power movement. By the early 1970s it had become relatively common for African Americans to investigate their African cultural roots and adopt African forms of cultural practice, especially African styles of dress.

In subsequent decades perhaps the most-prominent current of ideas that can be called Pan-Africanist has been the Afrocentric movement, as espoused by such black intellectuals as Molefi Asante of Temple University, Cheikh Anta Diop of Senegal, the American historian Carter G. Woodson, and Maulana Ron Karenga, the creator of Kwanzaa. With its roots in the 1960s, Afrocentrism gained particular popularity in the United States during the 1980s. The movement emphasizes African modes of thought and culture as a corrective to the long tradition of European cultural and intellectual domination.

The Pan-African Congress movement
During the 20th century advocates of Pan-Africanism made many efforts to institutionalize their ideas and to create formal organizations to complement the work of Pan-Africanist intellectuals. The first meeting designed to bring together peoples of African descent for the purpose of discussing Pan-Africanist ideas took place in London in 1900. The organizer was Henry Sylvester Williams, a native of Trinidad. The meeting was attended by several prominent blacks from Africa, Great Britain, the West Indies, and the United States. Du Bois was perhaps the most-prominent member of U.S. delegation.

The first formal Pan-African Congress (the first to bear that name) took place in 1919 in Paris and was called by Du Bois. That meeting was followed by a second Pan-African Congress two years later, which convened in three sessions in London, Brussels, and Paris. The most-important result of the second Pan-African Congress was the issuance of a declaration that criticized European colonial domination in Africa and lamented the unequal state of relations between white and black races, calling for a fairer distribution of the world’s resources. The declaration also challenged the rest of the world to either create conditions of equality in the places where people of African descent lived or recognize the “rise of a great African state founded in Peace and Goodwill.”

After a third Pan-African Congress in 1923 and then a fourth in 1927, the movement faded from the world picture until 1945, when a fifth Pan-African Congress was held in Manchester, England. Given that Pan-Africanist leadership had largely transferred from African Americans to Africans by the mid-1940s, Nkrumah, Kenyatta, and Padmore played the most-prominent roles at that congress. The only African American present was Du Bois.

With the coming of independence for many African countries in the decades following World War II, the cause of African unity was largely confined to the concerns of the African continent. The formation of the Organization for African Unity (OAU) in 1963 solidified African leadership, although a sixth Pan-African Congress was held in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, in 1974. A successor organization to the OAU, the African Union (AU), was launched in 2002 to further promote the social, political, and economic integration of Africa.

Calls for Pan-Africanism could still be heard in the United States at the turn of the 21st century, but by then the movement had generally come to stand for the unity of the countries on the African continent, especially sub-Saharan Africa.

Pan-Africanism
 

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Actually, the process is kind of happening already, but more or less a regional level. For example you have Egyptian businesses along with Sudanese businesses that invested in Khartoum, and you have Sudanese businesses that is investing in Ethiopia along with Chinese among others outside the continent. It was the Libyan government that invested in this hotel, in some sense became the symbol of Khartoum.

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The structure there was funded by the Libyan government.
Corinthia Hotel Khartoum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well good, the North Sudanese (and this means you) should continue eating at the Arab trough and thereby have little to say about making Africa one big country then. When I talk about Africa and Africans, I don't talk about East Africa and Sudan.

You really don't know what you talking about here, even Southern do not make such claims because they know where they come from, and they did not worship "gods" such as isis, horus or other things in that nature, although they were depicted, that does not mean they lived in that region, we have been here from the beginning, Rod. So there is no way getting around that reality, our counterparts in Southern or Upper Egypt look very much identical to us, so that should tell you something. Other than that you did brought up some good points for once and I commend you for that.

The Ancient Egyptians depict South Sudanese looking people as coming from the South, so I think it's safe to say that they are the original people whom lived and in around the region. You look at Southern and Upper Egyptians because you are part Arab but that doesn't mean anything. It just means the Arab invasion went as far as Sudan.
 
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Garvey was Jamaican not American. Rastafari comes from where? I'll give you a hint, its not Jamaica. Garvey was heavily influenced by King Haile.


whoops.

It is widely accepted that King Selassie is the father of Pan Africanism who inspired everyone else.
Haile Selassie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haile Selassie considered himself and his people to be "Caucasians", tho.
When Haile Selasie, the emperor of Ethiopia, was interviewed by the Nigerian daily times about Ethiopian racial identity in the 1930s, he said, “That Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negros, as they were a Hamito-Semitic people”
A west African pan-Africanist, Benito Sylvain, who went to Addis Ababa to enlist his support for a society for the ‘Amelioration of the Negro Race’. Menelik replied, ‘Yours is an excellent idea… The Negro should be uplifted… I wish you the greatest possible success. But in coming to me to take the leadership, you are knocking at the wrong door, so to speak. You know, I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian.
When Haile Selassie fled to London, Gravey tried to contact him but was snubbed, and it was reported that „the emperor did not desire any contact with ‘Negroes.’” (1963, Harold Robert Isaacs, p. 153)
 

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I understand the difference where you're coming from but many of these same racial or eurocentric ideals that impact "black" people of the Americas also impac "pure" black african nations.





This same thing happened in the 1960's

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African view on natural hair back in the 1960's

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African women join the natural hair movement



African women join the natural hair movement | North Africa


The white supremacy of Colonialism definitely imparted cultural and racial biases on Africans, particularly the black petite bourgeoise, but I'm not so sure Africans wouldn't have had similar movements without AAs. For one thing, it's telling that these were referred to as "African styles" by AAs. Also, there were Africans rejecting Eurocentric beauty/style norms before the 1960s, just as there were Africans rejecting Eurocentric political domination before the 1960s. But either way, it appears as though these beauty/style movements were just fads, because the vast majority of prominent AA women nowadays aren't wearing natural hairstyles or dressing in traditional African garb. Mind you, there is no shortage of African women wearing European hair or garb, but you'll definitely find more women in America doing it than in Africa.
 

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Well good, the North Sudanese (and this means you) should continue eating at the Arab trough and thereby have little to say about making Africa one big country then. When I talk about Africa and Africans, I don't talk about East Africa and Sudan.



The Ancient Egyptians depict South Sudanese looking people as coming from the South, so I think it's safe to say that they are the original people whom lived and in around the region. Northern Sudanese are new-fangled mixed race people, part Arab and part black.

Actually you got it wrong again, and let me show you why. Here is what i know and we talk about this on the Sudanese forums quite often.



Regional variety.
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The earliest portrayal of Nubian wrestlers is found on a wall painting from the tomb of Tyanen, an Egyptian officer (d. 1410 B.C.)4 (See Figure 1). The picture
shows five men marching together, with the last man carrying a standard which has two wrestlers on it. All but one of the men have Nubian physical characteristics.
The contrast between the Nubian wrestlers’ girth and the trim Egyptian, is pronounced. Perhaps the Nubians were a detachment of wrestlers. The sticks that the first four Nubians brandished were used in a dueling competition. Depictions of stick fighting and wrestling competitions often appear together, implying that the same people participated in both events.5 Certainly these combative sports were used for military training. While it is known that the Egyptians recruited Nubian archers into their army, perhaps this picture implies that Nubian wrestlers were also highly esteemed by the Egyptians.

Nuba Wrestling

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Egyptian art also depicts a regional distinction in Nubian physical types.24 During the Old and Middle Kingdoms, Egyptian rule extended to around the third cataract. Nubians are portrayed with skin of varying shades of darkness, distinctive dress and the facial features of an Egyptian. When the New Kingdom
extended its rule south beyond the fourth cataract, there was a corresponding change in the artist’s portrayal of the Nubian. The Southerners are shown with
distinct Negroid features—dark skin, everted lips, prognathous jaws and kinky hair (See Figure 10). All of the ancient Nubian wrestlers share a physiognomic
similarity to the south-Nubian Negroes alluded to in the Egyptian sources
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The suggestion that the ancient Nubian wrestlers came from regions to the south of the fourth cataract seems to be confirmed by anthropological evidence. 25 Archaeologists examined a burial site at Gebel Moya and other hills in the Gezira of Sudan where remains date back to earlier than the twenty-fifth dynasty in Egypt. According to one of the archaeologists, “the cemeteries of this site have yielded the remains of a tall coarsely built Negro or Negroid race with extraordinarily massive skulls and jaws."26 There is a strong possibility that the southern Nubians portrayed in the wrestling scenes came from this part of the Sudan. Anthropologists further suggest that the Negro type of the Gezira hills immigrated to the Nuba hills of southern Kordofan. The image of the tall, dark and extremely muscular Nubian is strikingly reminiscent of the Nuba of southern Kordofan in the Sudan. These people have remained sheltered in the remote hill country from outside influences and are surrounded by people that are physically and linguistically different from them.27 Indeed, of the various people in the Sudan, none would seem better fit to be the descendants of the ancient Nubian wrestlers than those of the Nuba hill tribes of southern Kordofan.

Not only that we had the Christian period in both Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan which was the kingdom of Nobatia, Makuria, Alodia which was the South, before the majority of the country switch to islam.

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Wall painting of a Nubian queen protected by the Virgin Mary and Child (Sudan National Museum 24362). (photograph Rocco Ricci © The Trustees of the British Museum
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Painting of Christ Protecting a Nubian Prince in Faras Basilica, Sudan - RW006429 - Rights Managed - Stock Photo - Corbis
Portrait of Saint Jiovanus Xisostomos - RW006433 - Rights Managed - Stock Photo - Corbis
Painting of Nubian Queen with the Virgin and Child - RW006426 - Rights Managed - Stock Photo - Corbis

Death, the great equaliser: Christianity on the Middle Nile
 
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Well good, the North Sudanese (and this means you) should continue eating at the Arab trough and thereby have little to say about making Africa one big country then. When I talk about Africa and Africans, I don't talk about East Africa and Sudan.


You look at Southern and Upper Egyptians because you are part Arab but that doesn't mean anything. It just means the Arab invasion went as far as Sudan.

You really don't know much about the region nor the geography or nearness of the region. Part of Upper Egypt was at one time in various time slots of history part of what is know known as Northern part of Sudan. The Nobatia Christian Kingdom was in the Upper Egypt and now Northern Sudan. In fact cultural center of that particular kingdom was in Edfu upper Egypt.

By the middle of the tenth century, hostilities had again broken out with Egypt. The Nubians invaded that country and, benefiting from the state of disorder there, reached, in the year A.D. 962, as far as the town of Akhmim, and for a time controlled Upper Egypt, at least to the north of Edfu. The discovery there of Nubian documents in the monastery of St. Mercurios suggests that it had become a centre of Nubian culture.

MEDIEVAL NUBIA

The Kingdom of Makuria (Old Nubian: Ⲙⲁⲕⲟⲩⲣⲓⲁ, Makouria; Arabic: مقرة‎, al-Muqurra) was a kingdom located in what is today Northern Sudan and Southern Egypt.

Kingdom of Makuria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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