Who you got: Joker vs. Bane (Nolan's version)

[YBE]

the only reasonable point you made was the point about her dying in the pit. that's the only thing that would have happened if bane wasn't around. but that alone doesn't mean that she wasn't the mastermind. and if anything it highlights bane as the guard dog once again, not as a master mind. you can't say with 100% certainty that bane was responsible for them forming up because that wasn't addressed after talia was revealed. the only nolan addressed after revealing her was that it was actually talia who escaped the pit the same way bruce did. nothing else was discovered or cleared up. bane was the physical aspect but talia was the brain for sure. they were both necessary in the end but it think talia's role was the most critical...

Yes, he was. the film flat out said Ra didn't accept Bane into the League of Shadows because he felt Bane was too extreme, even for him. That was Talia's exact words. I wish I could find the script. Without him around, she would've presumably stayed with his father.

The other shyt you typed You can have all the ideas in the world. With nobody to execute them, they're just ideas. Phil Jackson can be the greatest coach to ever lived. Without Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, he's just a scrawny fakkit with a clipboard.

 

[Monoblock]

 

[HALLOWEEN]

joker is a mastermind he wouldnt fukk over bane untill the precise moment and even if bane had him captured and locked down you think bane would kill the one man that almost did what he did without any training whatsoever, deep down bane admires the joker

do people forget that Bane had the entire police force trapped underground? And had his base set right under Bruce's armory? Dude isn't just muscle, he's one of the most intelligent villains in the DC universe.

dont forget how he was trying to mind fukk the city moving the bomb around

 

[HALLOWEEN]

rest assured he was gonna blow them both up at the end but in the pocess he blew up a hospital, watched as his own crew killed themselves for that paper till he was the last one standing, toppled an all black mob by cutting off its head then made whoever was left stick themselves, mutilated and drove the D.A insane even handed him a loaded gun and basically told him fire away then talked him into doing his dirty work, had an entire city out to kill one dude for spoiling his fun, blew up a judge and tricked a comissioner into drinking acid, willfully put himself in jail only to blow that sh1t up and escape, had an entire armory at his disposal while he plucked off a hellicopter and squad cars and vans one by one, Shot a cop point blank in the face with a shotgun killed batmans woman, dressed himself some goons and arkham inmates up as cops to cause a ruckus downtown, Posed hostages in villain attire with his goons dressed as hostages, got thrown off the side of the building laughing all the way down even batman himself couldnt bring himself to kill him

how is it that he was the only one who survived that... im not even the picky type looking for loop holes or anything