Who do you want the Democrats to run in '24?

[Worthless Loser]

i see a lotta no's in here, but not too many yes's

biden's gotta bow out a one term winner, and sacrifice himself. because he takes every single republican attack on '21-'24 to the grave. "bidenflation, gas prices, covid, ukraine, 13 dead in afghanistan, hunters laptop", etc, etc, etc. every single shyt issue will be in the past. theres been too many negatives for a tired candidate like biden to get another 4 years at his age

and if trump is the nominee, how the fukk do republicans even have the time to attack a generic, moderate, brand new candidate like murphy? theyll be too busy having to defend the 24/7 attack ads of trumps violent riot

but this is only if trump is the nominee if the republicans are smart enough to run Deathsantis, dems might as well just run the farthest left candidate as possible. wont be anything to lose

Trump runs and he beats any Democratic candidate not named Biden. He can beat Biden too depending on how Biden's Presidency is judged in 2024, but Biden is also the only person who can beat him.

DeSantis beats any Dem candidate. I think he can beat Biden too, but Biden has the closest shot.

Power of being the incumbent is stronger than a new, unfamiliar candidate.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Kamala Harris/Sherrod Brown. Here me out, as terrible as Kamala's popularity is right now, I think booting out the first female African-American VP will be seen as a slap to the face of many black voters. I also think she would win a Democratic primary if Biden decides not to run. BUT, she needs to be paired with a progressive white dude who can also appeal to working class white people. Sherrod fits that perfectly. Remember, this is about turning out the base. The only downside is that they will likely lose an Ohio Senate seat, but I don't see any better choices.

Kamala is Indian/Jamaican -American not AA(AA is a term designed for ADOS), and the black community doesn't gaf bout Kamala.

Kamala didn't even make it to the primary, and Trump got more black support in 2020 despite Kamala "sista girl" Harris being on the Biden ticket.

Kamala is unpopular by everyone, especially the black community. The Dems don't care about pissing us off, cue Biden and Kamala repeatedly talking down to us. The Dems main priorities are getting support from ppl who can't legally vote(illegal Hispanic immigrants) and the LGBT community.

 

[acri1]

Trump runs and he beats any Democratic candidate not named Biden. He can beat Biden too depending on how Biden's Presidency is judged in 2024, but Biden is also the only person who can beat him.

DeSantis beats any Dem candidate. I think he can beat Biden too, but Biden has the closest shot.

Power of being the incumbent is stronger than a new, unfamiliar candidate.

Not when the incumbent is at ~40% approval. Those are Trump numbers.

Dems are much better off just running someone new. Biden is damaged enough that I think almost anyone else would do better whether it's against Trump or whoever else.

 

[the next guy]

Biden.

 

[the next guy]

People were scared Trump would get re-elected (which he almost did) so Biden was just the "safe" pick (being a moderate older white guy) and nothing more. Nobody was really trying to take a risk in 2020.

But at this point Biden's presidency has been basically ruined by Manchin and Sinema, not to mention inflation/gas prices, so he's a liability even if it's not really his fault. Not to mention he's old, so hopefully he just doesn't run again.


I don't think it's fair to blame the entire Dem party for Manchinema though. That said they really need someone better than Schumer to vet candidates.

So elect more Dem Senators. Get off your butt voters.

 

[the next guy]

You shameless faggits want trump back just say so instead of your passive “I ain’t voting for Biden”

Well people think he's entertaining.

 

[acri1]

So elect more Dem Senators. Get off your butt voters.

I've voted in every presidential and midterm election since I was old enough except for 2010 (I forgot... )...can't help what other nikkas do.

The Senate also gives white conservatives in flyover states (who will always vote Republican) a wildly disproportionate amount of political power, but that's probably a topic for another thread.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Mitch Landrieu. He has some Bill Clinton traits to him. He's also in charge of implementing the Infrastructure Bill, so he's going to have some accomplishments on his record.

Good point. Seems like a person Biden would support. I'm sure he gave him the job precisely so he can use it to build a national profile.

To be honest, I think the sweet-spot in terms of someone who could get elected and make the most meaningful change is someone who focuses on economic issues and tries not to focus too much on identity or group-specific issues.

But that kind of candidate will never be allowed. The powerful interests will ensure that they are simultaneously (and dishonestly) attacked for being 1) too much into "identity politics" and 2) not caring enough about "identity politics." When Bernie Sanders first emerged as a force, for example, he was attacked by corporate Dems on point 2), and when he started to change his emphasis to compensate, he was attacked in terms of point 1).

So I have given up on that. The best we can hope for in the US is a relatively sane corporate hack. So I want to find someone who fits that description that has the best chance of winning.

This, fundamentally, is the problem with the Dem party.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

Kamala is Indian/Jamaican -American not AA(AA is a term designed for ADOS), and the black community doesn't gaf bout Kamala.

Kamala didn't even make it to the primary, and Trump got more black support in 2020 despite Kamala "sista girl" Harris being on the Biden ticket.

Kamala is unpopular by everyone, especially the black community. The Dems don't care about pissing us off, cue Biden and Kamala repeatedly talking down to us. The Dems main priorities are getting support from ppl who can't legally vote(illegal Hispanic immigrants) and the LGBT community.

The ADOS movement is largely an online phenomenon breh, majority of black voters who actually vote still fukk with Kamala. Just booting her out isn't going to sit well with a lot of them.

 

[mitter]

Good point. Seems like a person Biden would support. I'm sure he gave him the job precisely so he can use it to build a national profile.



This, fundamentally, is the problem with the Dem party.

It's divide and conquer.

The Dem coalition (or any left coalition) is MUCH more difficult to hold together than a right-wing majoritarian coalition. Every minority group has its own interests, and when you get very group specific, each excluded group feels left out and marginalized. We see this all the time in The Coli discourse (especially in The Locker Room).

The solution: instead of focusing on small and mostly performative stuff to pander to very specific groups, focus on more sweeping changes that benefit most/all people. But as I explained before, the powers that be will not allow that.

 

[the cac mamba]

Trump runs and he beats any Democratic candidate not named Biden..

i dont agree with that at all

trump is a 7 million vote loser, a one term fluke. the only president who had to run against a woman to win

i refuse to believe that trump beats a credible moderate democrat senator like murphy or sherrod brown, after what he did on jan 6th. how exactly do you see that happening? his cult is just the loud minority

running trump is the biggest possible gift the republicans can give to dem turnout

 

[the next guy]

i dont agree with that at all

trump is a 7 million vote loser, a one term fluke. the only president who had to run against a woman to win

i refuse to believe that trump beats a credible moderate democrat senator like murphy or sherrod brown, after what he did on jan 6th. how exactly do you see that happening? his cult is just the loud minority

He would. Narrative is that Joe was replaced from age. He Owns the GOP base. His Machine is still standing after taking many hits and he's won the most republican voters ever (the country is much bigger than 2000 but still)

Which is why Biden is staying.

 

[the cac mamba]

He would. Narrative is that Joe was replaced from age. He Owns the GOP base. His Machine is still standing after taking many hits and he's won the most republican voters ever (the country is much bigger than 2000 but still)

Which is why Biden is staying.

his machine is still standing because the US is a big country his cult is still 60 million people. but trump endorsements are trash, and hes under 10 criminal investigations. hes a fukkin loser

im not afraid of trump in 24 at all, with the right candidate. i just dont know the dems have one it shouldnt be that hard, either

 

[the next guy]

his machine is still standing because the US is a big country his cult is still 60 million people. but trump endorsements are trash, and hes under 10 criminal investigations. hes a fukkin loser

im not afraid of trump in 24 at all, with the right candidate. i just dont know the dems have one it shouldnt be that hard, either

Bruh 60 million is enough to win an election lol. You have to run with Biden. Kamala is not going replace him (and she's self sabotaging at an amazing rate) so who else do you have. Probably should have lined up behind Warren last time...

 

[Worthless Loser]

Not when the incumbent is at ~40% approval. Those are Trump numbers.

Dems are much better off just running someone new. Biden is damaged enough that I think almost anyone else would do better whether it's against Trump or whoever else.

Those are his numbers now. We don't know what they will be in 2024.

i dont agree with that at all

trump is a 7 million vote loser, a one term fluke. the only president who had to run against a woman to win

i refuse to believe that trump beats a credible moderate democrat senator like murphy or sherrod brown, after what he did on jan 6th. how exactly do you see that happening? his cult is just the loud minority

running trump is the biggest possible gift the republicans can give to dem turnout

January 6th means nothing anymore because this country is stupid. Voters tend to vote on safety and their pockets books . Trump can say the economy was great under him and Biden and Dems caused inflation because they don't know what he's doing. And it will work because most voters don't know any better.

Plus he can go to his normal Dems are soft on crime and want open boarders line. It works every time.

I dont think he's damaged at all. In fact, Biden's current slump is giving Trump momentum.