Who do you want the Democrats to run in '24?

[hjnm]

Trump is easy to beat. Its just that the democrats choose the worst candidates.

Hillary? very unlikeable, got cheated on publically by a former president husband and thinks she is better then everyone

Joe Biden? Old, senile and has a terrible track record.

They could literally be on some "head of state" type of time and pick a young charismatic guy who focuses on the living wage, housing, education(college debt) and win. The problem is that they are more concerned with their donors and backers then they are the people. Ol heads who don't know when to quit.

Hillary is/was popular with Democrats it's Republicans that hated her.

Biden's track record was fine for a Democrat in 2008 and 2012 it's only in 2016 that people decided that those votes were all disqualifying.

 

[mitter]

Trump is easy to beat. Its just that the democrats choose the worst candidates.

Problem is, most of the candidates who the dems have are really bad

 

[acri1]

Trump is easy to beat. Its just that the democrats choose the worst candidates.

Hillary? very unlikeable, got cheated on publically by a former president husband and thinks she is better then everyone

Joe Biden? Old, senile and has a terrible track record.

They could literally be on some "head of state" type of time and pick a young charismatic guy who focuses on the living wage, housing, education(college debt) and win. The problem is that they are more concerned with their donors and backers then they are the people. Ol heads who don't know when to quit.

Trump will be very hard to beat if he runs again for one basic reason -

Republicans love Trump. There's really no Democrat I can think of that Democratic voters actually like, and there really hasn't been one since Obama.


So it's going to be hard to get good turnout when Dems don't really like anyone.

 

[JamesJabdi]

Hillary is/was popular with Democrats it's Republicans that hated her.

Biden's track record was fine for a Democrat in 2008 and 2012 it's only in 2016 that people decided that those votes were all disqualifying.

If Hillary was as popular as you say she is....she would never have lost the 2008 nomination to Obama or the presidential race in 2016 to Trump. She couldn't even win the white women vote against Trump. She is horrible.

People wanted Trump out of office in 2020 because of his poor handling of Corona. If Joe Biden was to go against Trump right now he would for sure lose. what happen since he got into office in 2021? Afghanistan withdrawl, Inflation, War in Ukraine, Higher gas prices. If the Dems choose Joe Biden as their presidential nominee for 2024....its over.

 

[hjnm]

If Hillary was as popular as you say she is....she would never have lost the 2008 nomination to Obama or the presidential race in 2016 to Trump. She couldn't even win the white women vote against Trump. She is horrible.

People wanted Trump out of office in 2020 because of his poor handling of Corona. If Joe Biden was to go against Trump right now he would for sure lose. what happen since he got into office in 2021? Afghanistan withdrawl, Inflation, War in Ukraine, Higher gas prices. If the Dems choose Joe Biden as their presidential nominee for 2024....its over.

She won the women vote against Trump, not the white women vote, since most of them are conservative to begin with. Losing to Obama is hardly a badge of shame, he's one of the most popular candidates of all time. Her issue was that independents saw her as more liberal than they saw Trump as conservative and Republicans hated her more than they disapproved of Trump.

People wanted Trump out before corona, look at how well Biden polled against him all of 2019. Any president would have had to deal with 2021 and I'm not sure they would have fared better.

 

[JamesJabdi]

Trump will be very hard to beat if he runs again for one basic reason -

Republicans love Trump. There's really no Democrat I can think of that Democratic voters actually like, and there really hasn't been one since Obama.


So it's going to be hard to get good turnout when Dems don't really like anyone.

People didn't think Trump had a chance in 2016 and now suddenly he is this undestructible giant. Thats what the dems made him because of their poor choices. Let them pick a young fresh faced candidate who speaks about issues such as housing, living wage, healthcare and education and Trump will lose. But they gonna pick ol senile Biden for the 2024 elections and he gonna get roasted on them debates. Then they gonna wonder how they lost the 2024 elections.

 

[JamesJabdi]

She won the women vote against Trump, not the white women vote, since most of them are conservative to begin with. Losing to Obama is hardly a badge of shame, he's one of the most popular candidates of all time. Her issue was that independents saw her as more liberal than they saw Trump as conservative and Republicans hated her more than they disapproved of Trump.

People wanted Trump out before corona, look at how well Biden polled against him all of 2019. Any president would have had to deal with 2021 and I'm not sure they would have fared better.

Bruh, how are you one hand saying Hillary is popular, but then making excuses for her losses? how does that make sense? Lets keep it real....Hillary was UNPOPULAR and people saw her as a nepotism pick.

"Any president would have had to deal with 2021 and I'm not sure they would have fared better."

Are you serious? You can literally make the same excuse for Trump with Corona in 2020, but how badly dude handled the virus got his ass rightfully OUT. You don't become president to deal with easy things......its always some bullshyt coming up.

All i am hearing is excuses.

 

[mitter]

People didn't think Trump had a chance in 2016 and now suddenly he is this undestructible giant. Thats what the dems made him because of their poor choices. Let them pick a young fresh faced candidate who speaks about issues such as housing, living wage, healthcare and education and Trump will lose. But they gonna pick ol senile Biden for the 2024 elections and he gonna get roasted on them debates. Then they gonna wonder how they lost the 2024 elections.

I think I need to point this out again:

In 2020, Trump lost Arizona by about 10,000 votes, Georgia by about 12,000 votes and Wisconsin by about 21,000 votes

He lost the popular vote by more than 7 million, and yet was about 43,000 votes away from staying in office




Trump can be deeply unpopular and still win because of this fukked up electoral system.

 

[acri1]

People didn't think Trump had a chance in 2016 and now suddenly he is this undestructible giant. Thats what the dems made him because of their poor choices. Let them pick a young fresh faced candidate who speaks about issues such as housing, living wage, healthcare and education and Trump will lose. But they gonna pick ol senile Biden for the 2024 elections and he gonna get roasted on them debates. Then they gonna wonder how they lost the 2024 elections.

Like who? Can you name one person you're confident would beat Trump?

I can't. Any Democrat name I drop would get shytted on by the Dem base.

 

[hjnm]

Bruh, how are you one hand saying Hillary is popular, but then making excuses for her losses? how does that make sense? Lets keep it real....Hillary was UNPOPULAR and people saw her as a nepotism pick.

"Any president would have had to deal with 2021 and I'm not sure they would have fared better."

Are you serious? You can literally make the same excuse for Trump with Corona in 2020, but how badly dude handled the virus got his ass rightfully OUT. You don't become president to deal with easy things......its always some bullshyt coming up.

All i am hearing is excuses.

I said she was popular with her party until the 2016 primaries, in 2014 Democrats were calling her and her husband to campaign for them and not Obama and Biden.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

Newsom would get anhilated in a national race, even democrats in California are split on this guy, no way you get democrats in PA, NC, MI, etc to look at his policies, taxes, and what SF has become/represents and they say "gee, yea, this guy should spread his style of politics to my county"

how is california split on newsom when he won the gov election and recall by a very wide margin?

and what makes newsom come off as a coastal elitist? he does a lot of work to create policies for low income, the homeless and pushing to get health care insurance for undocumented immigrants.

 

[hjnm]

Speculation on this stuff is funny because nobody was seriously mentioning Trump in 2014, or even considered a Bernie Sanders run.

 

[JamesJabdi]

I think I need to point this out again:

In 2020, Trump lost Arizona by about 10,000 votes, Georgia by about 12,000 votes and Wisconsin by about 21,000 votes

He lost the popular vote by more than 7 million, and yet was about 43,000 votes away from staying in office




Trump can be deeply unpopular and still win because of this fukked up electoral system.

You don't gotta explain the Electoral system. We all know about it, but it is a real thing that the dems have to deal with.

Like who? Can you name one person you're confident would beat Trump?

I can't. Any Democrat name I drop would get shytted on by the Dem base.

Well it comes with the territory to be shytted on....Cory Booker would beat Trump if he became the democratic nominee. Hell, ol senile biden just beat him.

I said she was popular with her party until the 2016 primaries, in 2014 Democrats were calling her and her husband to campaign for them and not Obama and Biden.

You mean the midterm elections of 2014 that the dems lost? she is election poison.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

how is california split on newsom when he won the gov election and recall by a very wide margin?

and what makes newsom come off as a coastal elitist? he does a lot of work to create policies for low income, the homeless and pushing to get health care insurance for undocumented immigrants.

He won the recall because you either win or lose to republicans. California Dems gonna vote Democratic, doesn’t mean every dem likes him, it’s a case of Dems being on code.

Newsom has created a ton of taxes, championed some soft on crime initiatives, helped usher in the age of the homeless overrunning public spaces, plus the gender stuff. Newsom’s policies play well with the progressive end of the party but a whole bunch of Midwest Dems don’t want their state to become California, I don’t see him having appeal with the moderate nor conservative arm of the party. And his playboy past is going to make him fall victim to dem purity tests

 

[acri1]

You don't gotta explain the Electoral system. We all know about it, but it is a real thing that the dems have to deal with.



Well it comes with the territory to be shytted on....Cory Booker would beat Trump if he became the democratic nominee. Hell, ol senile biden just beat him.

C'mon breh, Cory Booker would get demolished by Trump.

He'd never get enough votes from white voters, especially since he's not nearly as charismatic than Obama.