DJ Paul's Arm
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I remember when the Chrysler 300 first dropped. Everyone was coppin that great value Bentley. Even snoop had one
Who copping the fake Range Rover this year?
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Trash is trash, no matter the cost.
No breh, the thing is a Range Rover has been historically one of the least reliable vehicles you can buy, period.
Pick any random pieced together vehicle you never heard of from China and odds are it’s more reliable than a Range Rover.
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Cakebatter
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Exactly. Range Rover makes Jaguar look like Honda.No breh, the thing is a Range Rover has been historically one of the least reliable vehicles you can buy, period.
Pick any random pieced together vehicle you never heard of from China and odds are it’s more reliable than a Range Roger.
No breh, the thing is a Range Rover has been historically one of the least reliable vehicles you can buy, period.
Pick any random pieced together vehicle you never heard of from China and odds are it’s more reliable than a Range Roger.
Everybody & their momma knows about Range/Land Rover piss poor reliability history.
Which has nothing to do with Hyundai/Kia vehicles piss poor reliability.
Why So Many Hyundai and Kia Vehicles Are Getting Recalled for Fire Risk
More than 7 million vehicles have been recalled. If you own one, here’s what you should know.By Keith Barry
Published December 6, 2022 | Updated December 7, 2022
A 2011 Kia Optima that caught fire.Photo: Center for Auto Safety, courtesy of James Copfer
Since 2010, more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to a type of four-cylinder engine used by both automakers.
But those numbers reflect just a fraction of the millions of Hyundai and Kia vehicles that are at increased risk for catching fire for other reasons—including faulty wiring and brake system and battery problems—and aren’t part of this current NHTSA probe. In fact, according to tallies from Consumer Reports and the Center for Automotive Safety, over the past 12 years the automakers have sent recall notices for over 7 million cars and SUVs to fix problems that could cause vehicles to catch fire.
In some cases, the automakers have been unable to immediately address the underlying issues and have instructed owners to park their vehicles outside and away from structures to minimize property damage if the vehicles catch fire.
In other cases, owners have had to wait for the automakers to develop a free recall repair. Both automakers face a class-action lawsuit, which could benefit owners of the vehicles.
The following information will help Hyundai and Kia owners (and those thinking of buying one) navigate this complex situation.
What's Happening?
Since 2010, more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to a type of four-cylinder engine used by both automakers.But those numbers reflect just a fraction of the millions of Hyundai and Kia vehicles that are at increased risk for catching fire for other reasons—including faulty wiring and brake system and battery problems—and aren’t part of this current NHTSA probe. In fact, according to tallies from Consumer Reports and the Center for Automotive Safety, over the past 12 years the automakers have sent recall notices for over 7 million cars and SUVs to fix problems that could cause vehicles to catch fire.
In some cases, the automakers have been unable to immediately address the underlying issues and have instructed owners to park their vehicles outside and away from structures to minimize property damage if the vehicles catch fire.
In other cases, owners have had to wait for the automakers to develop a free recall repair. Both automakers face a class-action lawsuit, which could benefit owners of the vehicles.
The following information will help Hyundai and Kia owners (and those thinking of buying one) navigate this complex situation.
What May Be Causing the Fires?
EnginesThere have been more than 60 individual recalls involving Hyundai and Kia vehicle fires. Many of them are either related to problems with specific engines, which the automakers call Theta II, Nu GDI, and Gamma GDI.
Hyundai and Kia say that many of the engine problems have to do with a faulty connecting rod bearing. The connecting rod is a vital component between the engine’s piston and crankshaft, and the bearing is located between the connecting rod and the crankshaft. If one of these bearings fails, the driver might first notice a knocking sound, excessive vibration, or even an engine stall. Severe engine damage could result. In some cases, a connecting rod could puncture the engine block and cause an oil leak that could start a fire.
To fix the problem, Hyundai and Kia installed software on certain vehicles and model years—called a “knock sensor detection system (KSDS) update”—that can sense a failing connecting rod bearing and prevent potential engine damage. If the KSDS picks up on specific engine vibrations that indicate connecting rod bearing problems, the check engine light will illuminate on the instrument panel behind the steering wheel, and the vehicle will be able to be driven only a short distance and at reduced power, enough for the driver to pull off the road and call a tow truck.
Peter Popoff
AKA Petty Pimpiń..🤑
If I had 200k sitting on me at luxury, shıt, even a cool million, I'd go for this over the range rover cause cars depreciate.
If it wasn't my money and someone was buying that shıt for me, I'd go for the rover though.
If it wasn't my money and someone was buying that shıt for me, I'd go for the rover though.
Antilock Braking Systems (ABS)
Many other recalls involve a component in the antilock braking system (ABS) known as the hydraulic electronic control unit (HECU, shown below).Although the cause is still under investigation, the ABS and HECU recalls may be related to short circuits within electrical parts that could cause a fire. These fires may occur even when the vehicle is parked, which is why Hyundai and Kia have advised some owners to park outside and away from structures and other vehicles until a recall repair is done. Hyundai and Kia have replaced components on some vehicles and are still working on a fix for other models.
Other Causes
Other fire risks are due to a wide variety of causes. In the case of a recent Kia Telluride recall, a contaminated circuit board could be at fault. Michael Brooks, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety, says that some of these problems are caused by software that wasn’t tested properly, while others are related to mistakes made during the supplier’s manufacturing process. “That suggests they’re not doing the proper quality control in their facilities,” Brooks says.Compounding the problem is that both automakers have so many parts and designs in common that when something goes wrong it affects a large number of vehicles.
Both Hyundai and Kia provided written statements in response to CR’s questions about the recalls.
“Hyundai actively monitors and evaluates potential safety concerns, including non-collision fires, with all our vehicles,” Hyundai’s statement read in part. The company also noted that “the number of recalls does not mean there were actual vehicle fires, rather an analytical fire risk.”
In its statement, Kia said it continuously evaluates its vehicles, including “the investigation of allegations of vehicle fire, determination of cause and origin where possible, evaluation of the potential for more fires from the same identified cause, and initiation of a recall if the data shows a previously undiscovered defect trend poses an unreasonable risk of harm to members of the public.”
Both automakers have also made recent safety-related investments, including the development of new safety data analysis programs and research facilities. Some of these initiatives were mandated by NHTSA and partly paid for through civil penalties levied by the agency.
Which Hyundai and Kia Vehicles Have Been Recalled?
Recalled Hyundais include the Accent, Azera, Elantra, Genesis, Ioniq, Kona, Palisade, Santa Cruz, Santa Fe, Santa Fe Sport, Santa Fe XL, Sonata, Tucson, and Veloster. Recalled Kias include the Cadenza, Carnival, Forte, K5, K900, Niro, Optima, Seltos, Sedona, Soul, Sorento, Spectra, Sportage, Stinger, and Telluride. The Genesis G70, G80, and GV80 are also included. (Genesis is Hyundai’s luxury brand.)Documents that Hyundai and Kia have submitted to NHTSA show that hundreds of thousands of owners have not yet had crucial recall work done on their vehicles, including some cars and SUVs that shouldn’t be parked near structures or other vehicles.
“If you have one of the affected cars or know someone that might have one, make sure the recall gets done,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of CR’s auto test center. “It may not be convenient, but it could save your property and even your life.”
Why So Many Hyundai and Kia Vehicles Are Getting Recalled for Fire Risk - Consumer Reports
Captain Crunch
Veteran
shyt kinda clean 
Mfs would be in a 20 plus page thread posting up safety recalls from their favorite brands (Toyata, Honda,etc) to prove what?
Find the "safety recalls" or data from any vehicle brand which has more vehicle fires than Hyundai/Kia.
