"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[krazykid18]

He's not better. Melo was a defense deficient ball stopper who applied little rim pressure he was primarily a jump shooter with us. He didn't have Mitchell's dual impact as a scorer and playmaker.

Mitchell's playing style is just flat out more effective.

Donovan Mitchell played some of the worst defense in the playoffs last yr it was eye popping how bad he was last yr , and you are trying to make a statement on defense for Mitchell over Melo COME THE fukk ON..

 

[ISO]

the point is, those are his peers and his compeition. those 3 have all documented how great and impossible to guard he is. those are 3 legit top 10 players ever. not being better than them is okay.

donovon mitchell was gettin outplayed by jalen brunson in da playoffs last year and couldnt out duel jamal murray lol. you overrating the hell out of this man

Who cares? Mitchell has competed against all those guys as well except Kobe who revered Mitchell their eras aren't that different.

What are you talking about Mitchell outplayed Murray his team just lost that was just one of his 35 point per game playoff series, Melo has none. Melo made it out the first round twice in 20 seasons.

Stop bringing up narratives and talk ball, what the players can do. What is Melo better than current Mitchell at? Midpost scoring, rebounding its the only category you could realistically give him.

I'm about done with nikkas lmfao Donovan can score 100 next game ya nikkas still wouldn't jack it. I'm personally having a ball with all the people on this site who underrated this man. Y'all will see, that's all I can say.

 

[ISO]

Donovan Mitchell played some of the worst defense in the playoffs last yr it was eye popping how bad he was last yr , and you are trying to make a statement on defense for Mitchell over Melo COME THE fukk ON..

Melo was a sieve his entire career at a frontcourt position.

 

[storyteller]

It's wild y'all are still justifying this. U are underrating what we would have left and Mitchell's ability to raise the floor of a team.

The Cavs are 10 games over .500 and they've had their fair share of injuries. They have Lamar Stephens starting games at SF who isn't on Cam Reddish level. LeVert is more inconsistent than Fournier. Julius has been fantastic and you are underrating the impact the two headed snake of Brunson and Mitchell would put on opposing defenses.

I was actually down to make the deal and figure the rest out afterward. But this Cavs roster >>> what the Knicks would have had point blank. And there's no convincing me this Cavs team is on the same tier as the Bostons, Milwaukees, or Denvers of the league until I see them keep it up in the playoffs (I'm agnostic).

 

[ISO]

I was actually down to make the deal and figure the rest out afterward. But this Cavs roster >>> what the Knicks would have had point blank. And there's no convincing me this Cavs team is on the same tier as the Bostons, Milwaukees, or Denvers of the league until I see them keep it up in the playoffs (I'm agnostic).

I feel you are underrating the pieces we have and how a player of Mitchell caliber would elevate guys. In my opinion we would be a top 5 East team and at least 8 games over .500 at this point in the season if we had Mitchell. The Garden would be rocking.

Also, the Cavs already beat Boston and Milwaukee this season. Mitchell eviscerated the both of them in those games.

Rubio hasn't suited up, Dean Wade been out, certain guys have been in and out with injuries. Denver is not scary in the playoffs with that heliocentric ball and have a poor defense.

Listen man y'all gonna have serious egg on y'all face if Donovan pulls of the unthinkable. I'm telling y'all right now. The points being made here are not logical it's a just because type of thing. Melo is better just because, the Cavs can't hang with those teams just because. Even when all the proof points otherwise.

Mitchell said it himself in his draft interview he loves being the underdog. Stop doubting this guy.

 

[storyteller]

Melo was a sieve his entire career at a frontcourt position.

Melo was like Mitchell early on (edit: I mean on the defensive end). He could turn up his defense when he wanted. I remember the year Denver made it to ECF, he started the Lakers series with a couple of the best head-to-head match-ups against Kobe that I could remember. Then he hurt his elbow and fell off a cliff. But that crew really had a chance to reach the finals (maybe even win the chip) without the injury.

I'd love to see the young athletic version of Melo in today's game. The shift isn't that crazy, but the game is more uptempo and spaced out. Skinny 20-25 Melo would have feasted and I think his game would have developed differently into his prime.

 

[storyteller]

I feel you are underrating the pieces we have and how a player of Mitchell caliber would elevate guys. In my opinion we would be a top 5 East team and at least 8 games over .500 at this point in the season if we had Mitchell. The Garden would be rocking.

Also, the Cavs already beat Boston and Milwaukee this season. Mitchell eviscerated the both of them in those games.

Rubio hasn't suited up, Dean Wade been out, certain guys have been in and out with injuries. Denver is not scary in the playoffs with that heliocentric ball and have a poor defense.

Listen man y'all gonna have serious egg on y'all face if Donovan pulls of the unthinkable. I'm telling y'all right now. The points being made here are not logical it's a just because type of thing. Melo is better just because, the Cavs can't hang with those teams just because. Even when all the proof points otherwise.

Mitchell said it himself in his draft interview he loves being the underdog. Stop doubting this guy.

I agree that the Knicks would be better by a decent amount right now. But I don't think they'd be contenders and I'd be worried as hell about the FO threading the needle to get us over the hump without cap space or picks.

Granted, the Cavs have looked good against EVERYONE so far. I'm just agnostic on their success carrying over into the postseason. It might work, but I've gotta see it to believe it. I still think Milwaukee (any time Middleton plays) and Boston are head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the East. Philly, Cleveland, and Brooklyn are the teams I think could make a run but I don't trust them for different reasons.

I'll be happy to eat crow is Mitchell pulls off the unthinkable. I love his game.

 

[RickyGQ]

ppl are forgettin that prime carmelo anthony was going head to head with prime kobe bryant in da playoffs and holding his own. Him vs lebron was prime time games for da first 10 years of his career lol he wasnt quite on there level but he showed he belonged and thats with no running mate.

he also came over here and won 54 games with jr smith (who came off da bench) as a second option lmao ppl severely underrate what he brought to the table and da numbers he was puttin up when defense was still a thing.

mitchell isn't in that company. he's just a dope scorer and a entertaining player. but there's levels

Eh, Mitchell is in that company. Whether you prefer Melo is perfectly fine but I’d like to add that Mitchell is just entering his prime now while Melo was comfortably in the middle of his prime when we traded for him.

 

[RickyGQ]

It's not close Melo never did any of this shyt. He was not on Mitchell's level as a shooter, driver, or playmaker.

Y'all gotta stop glorifying the past their careers aren't even that far apart.

Melo high scoring games pale in comparison to his own peers like Durant, LeBron, and Kobe.

Only one player listed scored more than Melo in a game…

 

[ISO]

Only one player listed scored more than Melo in a game…

Who had more 40 and 50 point games? Who had a higher career point per game average RS and PS?

Melo was not as consistent or explosive a scorer as those guys. They were in a different class. The nikka Melo was an absolute burger around the rim in New York.

C’mon

 

[seemorecizzy]

Eh, Mitchell is in that company. Whether you prefer Melo is perfectly fine but I’d like to add that Mitchell is just entering his prime now while Melo was comfortably in the middle of his prime when we traded for him.

carmelo was making all nba teams in like his third season in a more talented more compeitive league lol
he turned a 17 win denver team into a 43 win playoff team in one season, the biggest win total increase in nba history at the time lol
yall have short memories i get it,
but mitchell aint elite like that yet.
no idea why yall puttin him in da same category as established hall of famers lol

but i understand certain ppl have a thing for melo cause he didnt ring chase like his peers.


prime stephon marbury would give donovon mitchell fits in todays nba lol

 

[ISO]

a more talented more compeitive league lol

yeah you just a biased old head

 

[seemorecizzy]

yeah you just a biased old head

in what way is today's game more compeitive than the game 10 years ago? id actually would love to hear this lol

and talent thing isnt even debateable lol

 

[RickyGQ]

carmelo was making all nba teams in like his third season in a more talented more compeitive league lol
he turned a 17 win denver team into a 43 win playoff team in one season, the biggest win total increase in nba history at the time lol
yall have short memories i get it,
but mitchell aint elite like that yet.
no idea why yall puttin him in da same category as established hall of famers lol

but i understand certain ppl have a thing for melo cause he didnt ring chase like his peers.


prime stephon marbury would give donovon mitchell fits in todays nba lol

The league has never been more talented than it is now. And Melo is one of my favorite players ever but y’all lunching. Saying Mitchell is one of them ones doesn’t diminish what Melo did.

 

[seemorecizzy]

The league has never been more talented than it is now. And Melo is one of my favorite players ever but y’all lunching. Saying Mitchell is one of them ones doesn’t diminish what Melo did.

time will tell
seems hella premature to me

heavily disagree with the league being more talented now then ever lol but we'll leave it at that