Where would Giannis rank after championship?

[Kinguno]

Man idk the answer to this question but props to Giannis. As many all time ranking places as you take away from KD for always looking for a super team, you should add that many to giannis for staying in Milwaukee in this era.

He is still in Milwaukee for now we have to see if the owners will pay the luxury tax and still have talent on the team with a lack of high draft picks. The NBA supermax is going to have guys making 40 something a year. I will say this though the Bucks are a much better team than the Celtics or 76ers so they have less teams within their conference to think about because this current Nets team will probably only be together at max four more years.

If Giannis wins this year plus Finals MVP he will be top 25 especially considering how much more deep the league is today and to have won the awards he’s won it’s so much harder today than it was in the past but I can’t put him above anybody from that came into the league 03-10 like Bron, KD, Steph,Wade, and Kawhi

 

[Houston911]

Kevin Garnett as all nba 9 times, all defense 12 times

Giannis all nba 5 times, all defense 4

y’all be getting caught up in the moment

 

[wire28]

Giannis is a big man.

Wilt and Shaq couldn't shoot FT's either, they was worse than Giannis who isn't even among the worst ever % wise.

Giannis is also better than them outside the paint.

The Coli hates Giannis.

so giannis is better than shaq and wilt

welcome to the coli. com

 

[Monsanto]

Top 10.

That's what ya'll want to hear right

 

[TEH]

Such disrespect. Is this the same Giannis who everyone was in deep prayer about him coming to your team. The same Giannis who you would trade half your team to get. The dishonesty in this forum is at an all time high.

 

[steph_harden]

We have to start talking about where Giannis would rank after winning a championship this year...

At age 26 this is his resume...

• 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2019, 2020)
• 5× NBA All-Star (2017–2021)
• NBA All-Star Game MVP (2021)
• 3× All-NBA First Team (2019–2021)
• 2× All-NBA Second Team (2017, 2018)
• NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2020)
• 3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2019–2021)
• NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2017)
• NBA Most Improved Player (2017)
• NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2014)
• Euroscar Player of the Year (2018)

This is already a HoF career through 8 seasons. In NBA history nobody has improved as much as Giannis has in those 8 years coming in as a raw, skinny kid from Greece. Assuming he is able to come back this series and pick up a championship and Finals MVP where does he rank All-Time? His trajectory needs to be start being talked about. He should easily hit the top 15 and pass players like Dr. J and Karl Malone in the coming years.

We should also note that the last three seasons he has basically averaged about 28/12/6 on 57% FG with DPoY level defense. He broke the single season Player Efficiency Record that was held by Wilt and year after year his 'lytics are only rivaled by Michael Jordan and LeBron James.

I expect a lot of narratives denying and downplaying this dude's greatness and dominance...

And Shaq

 

[horizon]

He'd be on track for GOAT of his generation

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Bottom 5000

 

[Bledswole]

Top 20

 

[Bledswole]

That’s all fine and dandy but GS wasn’t gonna beat Lebron and a healthy cavs team without KD, they wasn’t beating Houston without KD

Giannis went down and the bucks honestly looked better. They didn’t need him and this won’t make him some top 20 player you cocksucker

Boy you a bytch and p*ssy ass fool if you really think the Bucks would be better without Giannis fukk outta here

 

[murksiderock]

How is he not already top 30?

Nikkas can’t possibly be ranking the likes of Jason Kidd and Scottie Pippen over Giannis as an individual player.

I was gonna ask you to tell us where you have him but I guess this answers that you already have him Top 30. So I guess the re question is where does he go with a title for you?

In both the right now, and career-to-career, he isn't a greater player than either Harden or Kawhi when all three are healthy, so despite his heavy list of accomplishments one championship run isn't elevating him over them when we've seen all these guys careers simultaneously. And Harden and Kawhi are roughly inside the Top 40, but probably not Top 30 yet, so Giannis not beating those two to that distinction...

I also have a problem just giving Giannis Top 30 credibility over guys who should be Top 30 locks this point such as Mikan, Pettit, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, then you have other guys like Havlicek whose legacy isn't surpassed by Giannis winning one ring...

Top 30 is as high as I would go, and that's being mildly generous.

That's highly, highly generous...

Nah, in year 8, Durant and LeBron were already being talked about in top 30 discussions.
I don't see why I gotta pretend Giannis is only top 50 and is around cats like Reggie Miller in basketball history.

This isn't an honest comp though; thru 8 years LeBron was a demonstrably better player who had shown a level of play Giannis hasn't reached...

You're going hard with the "everybody hates Giannis" thing but that ain't it bro, I think most people just can compartmentalize him being a historic developmental success from just awarding him the kind of distinctions such as a Top 30 ever player...

If he doesn't win the title he's still probably in that 50-75 range, which is still quite high praise for a late bloomer and a nod to his growth and resume thru only 8 years. Any way you cut it he's definitely ascending, but this one run doesn't push him over a list of cats who were greater players for longer periods of time!

Top 10.

That's what ya'll want to hear right

That's what my boy @ISO wanna hear lmao...

 

[HTXBreh]

What position are we putting him at SF/or PF.

 

[Gold]

Ya'll are as bad as ESPN

 

[ISO]

I was gonna ask you to tell us where you have him but I guess this answers that you already have him Top 30. So I guess the re question is where does he go with a title for you?

In both the right now, and career-to-career, he isn't a greater player than either Harden or Kawhi when all three are healthy, so despite his heavy list of accomplishments one championship run isn't elevating him over them when we've seen all these guys careers simultaneously. And Harden and Kawhi are roughly inside the Top 40, but probably not Top 30 yet, so Giannis not beating those two to that distinction...

I also have a problem just giving Giannis Top 30 credibility over guys who should be Top 30 locks this point such as Mikan, Pettit, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, then you have other guys like Havlicek whose legacy isn't surpassed by Giannis winning one ring...



That's highly, highly generous...



This isn't an honest comp though; thru 8 years LeBron was a demonstrably better player who had shown a level of play Giannis hasn't reached...

A title puts him in the top 25 or so for me...

Harden? What is Harden's case over Giannis? Harden's postseason career is marked by epic choke job after epic choke job, he isn't a higher regular season performer or more impactful player. Harden just has some Scoring Titles and a few more All-Star appearances because of longevity. Kawhi is also on his way to being ranked in the top 25 or so if he isn't already. I think Kawhi's ability to score in the half court is a huge advantage over Giannis but at the same Giannis is the best floor raising, individual force in the game.

I don't think his career is as good as LeBron's through 8. But the point is that his career has been good enough through 8 to already have him up there. This is where Giannis historically good play gets underrated. 2x MVP, DPoY, record setting PER season, pretty much a 28/13/6 guy on nearly 60% FG. I mean this guy has got to get his due.

 

[Osmosis]

Everyone is dealing with injuries. Giannis himself is injured now, the Bucks haven't had Donte DiVincenzo all playoffs. I don't know why you think think they had no business being competitive with the Hawks. It's like if series aren't straight up sweeps y'all not satisifed that's not how the playoffs works. I saw the lowly Hawks and Cavs take a 66 win Celtics team to 7 games in '08, I then saw the Celtics beat the Lakers in 6 games and whip them by 40 to close out. It's the playoffs it's about match ups, adjustments, execution. How close was this Hawks series? The Bucks won the series with a double digit margin of victory. The Hawks stole the games they won with a 48 piece from Trae in the first game and a throwback Lou Will performance in that game Giannis got hurt. Also, all this downplaying of the Hawks when they have been one of the hottest teams in basketball since hiring Nate McMillian and they spent a bunch of $ this season bolstering the roster with firepower.

The Nets big man rotation was their weakness all year. They still had depth between Harris, Brown, Griffin, Green, Shamet. Griffin at the 5 was their advantage the Nets stayed exploiting Lopez with small ball line-ups and abusing him in P&R. The Nets wouldn't be able to do that with DeAndre Jordan playing. It's a luxury to have a guy like Blake Griffin as a role player. The smaller line-ups made them more switchable and allowed them to defend better too. It was by no means a easy series because again Durant was playing the best basketball of his career. I had the Nets winning it all healthy but they weren't healthy and might never be. I don't penalize Giannis for this he did what he was supposed to and matched the play of Durant, who is a top 15'er himself in a great series. Kyrie and Harden also weren't out all series lol. Kyrie played the first 3.5 games and Harden was around 60% the final two. In that final game Harden choked like he always does with wide open bricks and dumb ass, low I.Q. TO's. If Kyrie and Harden were fully healthy and Giannis lost y'all would hold that against him even though the Nets are stacked. So tell me how that work?

I also don't believe the Suns and Bucks are just the 4th or 5th best teams in the league. They too have had injuries these playoffs and throughout the year they were two of the best teams in the game. I had the Suns as the West's best team coming into the playoffs and the Bucks as the East's second best team. The Jrue and CP3 pick ups were big for both teams, and they have two of the most complete, foul proof rosters in the game. Again it doesn't seem like y'all want parity or non-sexy names/markets in the Finals. That same energy also isn't being kept when it come to other teams and players Finals runs in history.

The Hawks were a great story and their season is something they will build on in the future but I just can't agree with the notion that the Hawks were a conference finals level team. Do you think this Hawks team would have beaten any of the 2020 Bucks, 2020 Heat, 2020 Celtics, 2020 Raptors? Or how about the 2019 Sixers, 2019 Raptors, 2019 Bucks? The Hawks benefitted from strong teams like Boston and Miami feeling the effects of the bubble.

Harden had a grade two strain, he shouldn't have even been out there. He had no mobility and couldn't do anything on an iso besides chuck threes. The Nets without Kyrie and an ineffective Harden are just not a championship level team. If KD was the best player in the series after Kyrie went down, Giannis, Middleton, Holiday, Lopez, and Tucker were the next best five. I wouldn't have penalized Giannis for losing to a healthy Nets team so I'm not going to give him credit for scraping by against a team decimated by injuries.

At the end of the day, I don't think beating an injured Nets team and an injured overachieving Hawks team (a series in which Giannis missed the last two games) is enough for Giannis to leapfrog someone like KG. That is not how I think players should be evaluated. For example, I already think CP3 is better than Isiah Thomas.. A ring when he's past his prime and his impact is diminished isn't going to change how I feel about him.