Where would Giannis rank after championship?

[UserNameless]

CP3 is still the Batman of this team past his prime you should respect that.

Right .


He actually said that dumb a$$ shyt

 

[Armchair Militant]

Depends on who gets the finals MVP. I would not be surprised if Middleton outplays him.

 

[Apprentice]

He plays the 4 in most of Mke's lineups...



Giannis is getting his due across the board bro, I'm just not willing to overrate him...

Longevity matters to me. Harden has been an elite player in this league a good bit longer than Giannis, and his MVP finishes reflect that (Top 5 6x compared to 3x for Giannis). We got 8 years of Harden as a #1 in Houston, having one 60-win season, 5 50-win seasons, winning ~52.4 games/season; made the playoffs all of those years and got to two conference finals, and did all of that in the tougher conference...

Harden was the leading MVP candidate at the onset of his injury this year, in the same conference as Giannis...

Bringing up Harden's playoff resume is faulty on two points because it's not as if Giannis is carrying around this elite playoff background himself---->he has chokes in b2b postseasons where he was eliminated and tried to choke away the series vs the Nets this year; everytime there's a superstar on the other side he gets outplayed. Harden has several series that he was great in, and sure he has more than a few chokes but we're comparing him to Giannis here, not some guy who just dominates each playoffs after playoffs...

There are people that would rank Kawhi Top 25 but I'm not there yet. Regardless he's ahead of Giannis...

Giannis winning it this year would be terrific on a legacy that is growing even without a ring this year, I wanna stress that he's ascending regardless. This one title run isn't going to jump him over guys who were great for longer, though...

Giannis is a better playoff performer than Harden that’s a fact

 

[Apprentice]

Fair enough, I mean you have your definition of what matters abd what choking is, and I have mine. I dig it though, bruh...

We aren't talking about someone with this steel postseason resume in Giannis to be bringing up Harden's chokes. Giannis' play routinely dips when facing quality competition, while he just beasts all over teams like '19 Boston, '20 Orlando, '21 Miami. His play against equal or better teams is unbecoming of the kind of credibility you're issuing him; I know what his numbers say. I also watched him play in these series to see he's consistently a lesser version of himself and choking (how I define it) when you need this nikka to play like a fukking 2x MVP and DPOY...

I'm not taking Giannis over Harden at this stage of their careers. Giannis won two MVPs over everyone, not just Harden. There's a strong consensus that Harden should probably have an extra MVP, with most people pointing to '17. Regardless, Harden has finished Top 5 six times to Giannis' three---->Giannis was in the NBA when Beard was finishing ahead of him in '14, '15, '17, and '18...

In the five straight years Mke has made the playoffs, which virtually align with Giannis' ascension as an elite, Top 10 level player, he's led the Bucks to an average of ~52.2 wins/year, a Finals appearance, two ECFs, and two Rd1 losses. His effect on winning and floor-raising to me aren't proven to be greater than Beard's, and again I think a W in The Finals and his appearance in general are noteworthy, but he's not skipping over Harden with it simply because in my estimation it's clear he isnt a better basketball player, doesn't have a stronger impact on winning, and hasn't been great for as long as Harden has...

Go ahead and do the CP3 thread like this one, I have similar viewpoints!

Lol breh that’s BS, U can’t say Giannis dominates weak times then cite the ‘21 Heat but knock him for losing against the ‘20 Heat that doesn’t make sense

Giannis avg near 40 in the conf semifinals and u talkin bout he got out played by KD, his team won and James Harden was on the court too not doin shyt but gettin cardio

 

[ECA]

Bag twitter gon be sick if Giannis gets a chil with that resume. Top 25 minimum

 

[GOAT]

That’s all fine and dandy but GS wasn’t gonna beat Lebron and a healthy cavs team without KD, they wasn’t beating Houston without KD

Giannis went down and the bucks honestly looked better. They didn’t need him and this won’t make him some top 20 player you cocksucker

They beat Houston without KD in 2019

 

[GOAT]

Some of yall don’t know how to analyze basketball without looking at Wikipedia accomplishment sections and it shows.

There is no way you can say with a straight face that Giannis is a better basketball player than KG. That’s ludicrous.

 

[High quality poster]

They beat Houston without KD in 2019

After KD averaged 33ppg and got them a 3-2 series lead, that isn’t beating them without KD. They won one game and wouldn’t have won that series with KD.

 

[murksiderock]

Giannis is a better playoff performer than Harden that’s a fact

Lol breh that’s BS, U can’t say Giannis dominates weak times then cite the ‘21 Heat but knock him for losing against the ‘20 Heat that doesn’t make sense

Giannis avg near 40 in the conf semifinals and u talkin bout he got out played by KD, his team won and James Harden was on the court too not doin shyt but gettin cardio

Giannis' strongest playoff performances have been vs low seeds that otherwise wouldn't have made the postseason in another year or conference. His performances against actual elite opponents are wanting; we just saw him bricking clutch free throws, taking dumb ass shots, being afraid to shoot, running from the challenge of defending KD in the clutch, even though he's Mke's longest and most athletic defender, doing a bunch of shyt that should have cost the Bucks the series. We just watched the series, and he won with a strong G7 individual performance but that wasn't some epic Giannis series, stats be damned...

Harden has more playoff series he's played to standard, and had even played well vs quality opponents...

The '20 and '21 Heat had the same core but were different teams in performance...

Some of yall don’t know how to analyze basketball without looking at Wikipedia accomplishment sections and it shows.

There is no way you can say with a straight face that Giannis is a better basketball player than KG. That’s ludicrous.

Exactly, not at this point in time. Giannis winning a title would draw him equal with KG but he still doesn't have KG's longevity yet, nor is he really viewed as a Top 5 player when all of his competitors are healthy, which is especially damning because he's far younger than his better competitors...

KG was a Top 5 player of his era and was recognized as such in real time...

Moreover, it's irrational to think Giannis' careers to this point is great enough to be considered one if the 25 best players ever. Dudes are reading off his accolades without taking into account the specifics of his career year by year...in no reality is Giannis, at this stage of his career, justifiably anything higher than Top 40-ish and that's a generous ranking...

 

[ClutchVon]

Giannis' strongest playoff performances have been vs low seeds that otherwise wouldn't have made the postseason in another year or conference. His performances against actual elite opponents are wanting; we just saw him bricking clutch free throws, taking dumb ass shots, being afraid to shoot, running from the challenge of defending KD in the clutch, even though he's Mke's longest and most athletic defender, doing a bunch of shyt that should have cost the Bucks the series. We just watched the series, and he won with a strong G7 individual performance but that wasn't some epic Giannis series, stats be damned...

Harden has more playoff series he's played to standard, and had even played well vs quality opponents...

The '20 and '21 Heat had the same core but were different teams in performance...



Exactly, not at this point in time. Giannis winning a title would draw him equal with KG but he still doesn't have KG's longevity yet, nor is he really viewed as a Top 5 player when all of his competitors are healthy, which is especially damning because he's far younger than his better competitors...

KG was a Top 5 player of his era and was recognized as such in real time...

Moreover, it's irrational to think Giannis' careers to this point is great enough to be considered one if the 25 best players ever. Dudes are reading off his accolades without taking into account the specifics of his career year by year...in no reality is Giannis, at this stage of his career, justifiably anything higher than Top 40-ish and that's a generous ranking...

The fact you keep topping nonsense with more nonsense is impressive.

 

[JYoung24]

That’s all fine and dandy but GS wasn’t gonna beat Lebron and a healthy cavs team without KD, they wasn’t beating Houston without KD

Giannis went down and the bucks honestly looked better. They didn’t need him and this won’t make him some top 20 player you cocksucker

the warriors would of still beat a healthy cavs team

 

[ISO]

Just added a legendary block/playoff moment to his resume

These moments that go down in the culture and lore of the league are valuable

 

[MoneyTron]

Top 20. And will most likely end up a good bit higher than that.

People don't want to hear this but he'd already have a resume better than Dirk, KG, and DWade IMO.

Ring
Possible FVMP
2 MVP
DPOY
MIP
AS MVP
3x All-NBA 1st
3x All-D 1st

That's hard to beat.

 

[Pressure]

Ahead of where people ranked KD after his FIRST ring if we're being object.

 

[Starboy52]

Top 20. And will most likely end up a good bit higher than that.

People don't want to hear this but he'd already have a resume better than Dirk, KG, and DWade IMO.

Ring
Possible FVMP
2 MVP
DPOY
MIP
AS MVP
3x All-NBA 1st
3x All-D 1st

That's hard to beat.

At 26.

That's what people forget. He has a resume on par or better than a lot of all-time greats at 26 if he's able to pull this off.

...Which is why I halfway expect these spiteful ass media heads who hate that he didn't run from the grind to a bigger market to fukk him out of an FMVP if they manage to win it.