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Pass me the rock nikka
U choosing to focus on the negative things that happened game to game you can break down a lot of players in this same fashion (especially for competitive series that go down to the wire) to be honest a lot goes on in these series and throughout these games. He won the series and had great moments as well...
Giannis doesn't have a sublime resume of performing in high stakes playoff games (it's not too many guys you can say that for outside of MJ) but he has done it this year and doing it once is already better than most we spent a whole lot of time on this board dissecting everyone's playoff failures and even in their victories nitpicking at everything. Dirk did it once and that was enough for him to get a significant legacy boost. U got legends and unanimous top 20'ers like Barkley and Malone who never won a championship and retired with .500 or below records in playoff series.
Ultimately, the series Giannis had is better than any of Harden's. Giannis now has a 40 point game 7 closeout and two classic NBA Finals signature moments on top of a dominant Finals series. Harden throughout his career has had the opportunities to perform in these types of games but simply hasn't. 2015 had an opportunity to close out the Clippers in a game 7 has a shytty volume scoring night and a come back is led by Corey Brewer and Josh Smith to win the series. 2015 facing elimination against the Warriors breaks the NBA record for TO's with 13 in the playoffs. 2017 against a Kawhi-less SA he goes out and puts up 10 points on 2 of 11 shooting with 6 TO's and fouls out losing the series. 2018 with CP3 out this is his chance to do some legendary shyt an ATG effort is enough to close the series against the "superteam" instead he has heavy TO, volume scoring nights as the leader watches his team go 0-for-27 from 3 and contributes to that drought himself. It really goes on and on with dude this should be a bigger mark on his jacket when it comes to this ATG ranking shyt.
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Pass me the rock nikka
U a Dirk stan or something?
When the hell have LeBron or Kobe lost to an 8th seed shooting under 40%? The Warriors weren't even a good defensive team they had Stephen Jackson on him giving up significant height. He was on a god damn 67 win team and lost in R1. Ain't shyt worse than that.
The hell are you talking about man Dirk had strong teams and coaching throughout his prime
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U don’t even know what the numbers you using mean
And no LeBron had a lower defensive rating in all his Finals not that it matters like I said G’s Finals are ATG status
It’s a funny thing going on in the thread now
Bron stans trying to downplay Giannis
Bron haters trying to suggest Giannis is just a newer, better Bron
Mental illness of the Coli
IM NOT AN ANALYTICS GUY BUT ITS CLEAR AS DAY THAT THE NUMBERS FAVOR GIANNIS IN THE FINALS
THE TS% IS NOT EVEN CLOSE
U a Dirk stan or something?
When the hell have LeBron or Kobe lost to an 8th seed shooting under 40%? The Warriors weren't even a good defensive team they had Stephen Jackson on him giving up significant height. He was on a god damn 67 win team and lost in R1. Ain't shyt worse than that.
The hell are you talking about man Dirk had strong teams and coaching throughout his prime
Avery Johnson was a bad coach. Rick was good but he ain't even got out the 1st round without Dirk since he been in the West.
That 07 Mavs team wasnt strong at all. They only won 67 cause Dirk was stupid in the clutch like most his prime. Their point differential was at the level of a 60 win team and that was their expected win total. The Mavs defense improved after they traded for Al Harrington. They was a different team and Mavs mostly got killed on the perimeter since their perimeter defense was always bad before they got Matrix.
And no after they lost Nash, Dirk was carrying average to bad casts most his prime. You cant have strong teams if Jason Terry is your Robin most your prime. That nikka never even sniffed an all star team and was a glorified 6th man. Imagine if Dirk had someone like Middleton someone who can win ECF games home or on the road himself without him? Khris been one of the best wings in the league for the past few years now. Brook Lopez is a better center than any Dirk had in his prime too. Besides Tyson Chandler who was Dirks centers? Dampier? Diop? Shawn Bradley?
Brook dropped a 33/7 game with 3 blocks in the ECF without Giannis on 78% and he a great defender too. He's a key cog for the Bucks to be a dominant defense. He's struggled guarding space more this series and the Bucks defense has been ass. Phoenix has a 118 offensive rating this series and scoring 112 PPG. Giannis is a good defender but he's great defenders around him during his prime and he wasnt even a top 5 defender when he DPOY. Bledsoe, Middleton, Jrue, Brook, Donte, Wes, Pat, Tucker is great defenders he's had and it Bud system that has their defense clicking.
Dirk guards was Devin Harris and old ass J Kidd most his prime too. He never had an actual top player as a star teammate after Cuban fumbled the Nash bag and they prolly win it all in 03 with Nash if he aint get hurt in the WCF. They was the best team when healthy that year.
The Suns lighting up a Jrue-Middleton-Tucker-Giannis-Lopez Bucks team is a crazy subplot that no one talking about.
Jrue: 3x All-Defensive team including 1st-team this year
Middleton: very good defender
Giannis: DPOY last year and 1st-team All-Defensive this year
Tucker: very good defender
Lopez: All-Defensive team last year
The fact that the Suns are scoring on them so efficiently isn't even getting noticed cause the Bucks doing it back to them even worse.
This hasn’t been the case for over a decade famKobe > LeBron
Wade averaged 15 PPG on 49 TS% in the 2013 playoffs imagine if Middleton did that
Bucks wouldn't have made it out the second round. Hell, if Pau did that these Kobe stans would be slandering him to this day
Heavy_Handz
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So for a decade you’ve had LeBron > KobeThis hasn’t been the case for over a decade fam
Wade averaged 15 PPG on 49 TS% in the 2013 playoffs imagine if Middleton did that
Hell, if Pau did that these Kobe stans would be slandering him to this day
That fugazi ass ring last year. He still ain’t got 5 
madness
Taking my talents to South Beach
after 10+ years of bytching of how much they hate players who put their heads down and bulldoze to the rim, how much they hate bully ball and much they hate watching "unskilled" players who have no jumpshot...now suddenly they have an appreciation for itBron haters trying to suggest Giannis is just a newer, better Bron
Mental illness of the Coli
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Giannis is having a slightly better finals than LeBron has ever had.
Bron best finals were against tougher teams tho
after 10+ years of bytching of how much they hate players who put their heads down and bulldoze to the rim, how much they hate bully ball and much they hate watching "unskilled" players who have no jumpshot...now suddenly they have an appreciation for it
WHO SAID THEY APPRECIATE IT IN HERE?
This hasn’t been the case for over a decade fam
Wade averaged 15 PPG on 49 TS% in the 2013 playoffs imagine if Middleton did that
Hell, if Pau did that these Kobe stans would be slandering him to this day
PAU AVERAGED 16 OR LESS PPG 4 TIMES IN THE PLAYOFFS AS A MEMBER OF THE LAKERS
WADE AVERAGED 20 PPG IN THE 2013 FINALS .. PAU NEVER AVERAGED 20 PPG IN ANY OF HIS FINALS APPEARANCES
TRY AGAIN
murksiderock
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So for a decade you’ve had LeBron > Kobe
Your basketball analysis is terrible if the ring count is how you evaluate people...
Bron was viewed as Kobe's equal before he ever won a ring; there were real time debates on who was the better player historically and present when Kobe had a 3, 4, and 5 ring lead over Bron...
Because cats who actually watch the players could see Bron coming and just needed the ring to validate his greatness...
He jumped Kobe pretty definitively after the second title in '13 and even if you were one of the few that wasn't convinced the door was shut on Kobe after '16...
Only people still hanging on to a Kobe>Bron narrative are irrational Kobe Stans, this includes players or media that suggest it, and there really isn't a lot of you. This goofy ass board is overrepresented by you nikkas lol, but most Kobe heads and most basketball heads in general acknowledged Bron over Kobe at minimum a half-decade ago and some well before that...
Giannis is having a slightly better finals than LeBron has ever had.
Bron best finals were against tougher teams tho
The Bucks were slight underdogs entering this series because everyone questioned Giannis' availability and how he would look if he did play. Even with that the lines were generally 60/40 Suns entering the series...
If Giannis came into the series healthy or people knew he would do what he's done, the lines woulda been reversed with a bit higher odds favoring Milwaukee...
So off top, Giannis is doing his work vs an opponent no one would think a healthy Him should lose to. He's healthy enough to be destroying Phoenix, this is part of what's boosting his legacy in the present is we saw how bad the hyperextension looked, and he still came back in slightly over a week...
Phoenix doesn't have a single player who can limit his movement and neutralize him defensively, they don't have a single player who can match his overall degree of play, either. Giannis is doing this work vs an opponent who is clearly overmatched with no answers to stop him, vs an opponent that was only slight favorites coming in because of his injury status...
Numbers without context are useless, you know this, g. He's having a great Finals, but LeBron has put up similar displays of domination as an overwhelming underdog vs teams with multiple quality defenders to throw on him, vs teams with a superstar (or two) that could match his scoring and degree of play...
This is a better Finals than Bron's worst but watching the series and understanding the environments of all, this isn't better than Bron's four or five best. Which, considering Bron has played in 10 and this would be considered his 5th or 6th best, is damn impressive if the way you wanna frame it is in a LeBron benchmark...
It isnt a greater Finals performance than any LeBron performance...
It is certainly the highest degree of play we've ever seen from Giannis at any stage of his career, that's why the overreactions and misrepresentations of his career and what he's shown us are going crazy off the hinges right now...
