where does dirk rank all-time?

[the cool]

kg had spree, cassell, wally szcerbiak went to the 2003 playoffs as one of the top seeds

 

[Majestic Pape]

The gap in rebounding, especially in the playoffs isn't big enough to just look past Dirk's ability to black out during a game. Yeah KG plays great defense, but if you don't have a number 1 with him you might as well forget about winning a series, where as with Dirk we all saw him carry a team to a title. I mean, if you swapped them I think Dirk still has more success, that Mavs team from 2011 isn't winning a title with a prime KG as their number 1, he just didn't apply that type of pressure on a defense.


I've always felt KG is the ultimate complimentary player, had he been with Kobe, LeBron, Wade during his prime they'd win title after title. He needs a clear cut number 1 with him to be at his best, someone that can take over a game when he is reluctant to do so. Dirk has many many more impressive playoff games under his belt than KG.

That '08 Celtics team isn't winning a title with Dirk instead of Garnett though, because he didn't apply that type of defensive pressure on the offense.

This shyt works both ways. These two are on the same level of skill/effectiveness to me, they're just two pretty different players.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This is just bullshyt here. You think Sabonis/Nowitzki are much superior offensively to Garnett because they're Euros and shoot three pointers?

And a whole lot of other shyt too. Sabonis was Magic Johnson at the 5. Unbelievable passing skills. It's a shame he didn't spend his prime on the bigger stage of the NBA.

Dirk is a 7 footer who can fade from anywhere.

Dirk for sure is a superior offensive player. I'm speculating somewhat on Sabonis because he was pretty much in decline by the time he got here but even an old, overweight Sabonis with bad knees showed more skill than any American big I've ever seen.

Garnett's claim to fame is defense. Stick to that because you sound ridiculous saying Garnett has an equal or better offensive repertoire than Dirk.

 

[Malta]

That '08 Celtics team isn't winning a title with Dirk instead of Garnett though, because he didn't apply that type of defensive pressure on the offense.

This shyt works both ways. These two are on the same level of skill/effectiveness to me, they're just two pretty different players.

That Celtic team with Dirk would still win the title, Dirk has been on a top 5 defensive team before, and with him out there dropping 40 on peoples heads, you'd have less pressure on Allen and Pierce offensively.

I don't know why KG gets a pass for his playoff performances, for a player of his talent level there's no excuse for his playoff numbers dropping.

 

[Houston911]

kg was just missing something mentally on the offensive end

he had all the tools to dominate on offense just as much as dirk

 

[MrFantastic]

The gap in rebounding, especially in the playoffs isn't big enough to just look past Dirk's ability to black out during a game. Yeah KG plays great defense, but if you don't have a number 1 with him you might as well forget about winning a series, where as with Dirk we all saw him carry a team to a title. I mean, if you swapped them I think Dirk still has more success, that Mavs team from 2011 isn't winning a title with a prime KG as their number 1, he just didn't apply that type of pressure on a defense.


I've always felt KG is the ultimate complimentary player, had he been with Kobe, LeBron, Wade during his prime they'd win title after title. He needs a clear cut number 1 with him to be at his best, someone that can take over a game when he is reluctant to do so. Dirk has many many more impressive playoff games under his belt than KG.

gotta agree..

 

[the cool]

That '08 Celtics team isn't winning a title with Dirk instead of Garnett though, because he didn't apply that type of defensive pressure on the offense.

This shyt works both ways. These two are on the same level of skill/effectiveness to me, they're just two pretty different players.

that celtics team with dirk sweeps the lakers. did you forget how dirk did gasol in the playoffs in 2011?

well heres a reminder



heres 32 points vs lakers

 

[Majestic Pape]

That Celtic team with Dirk would still win the title, Dirk has been on a top 5 defensive team before, and with him out there dropping 40 on peoples heads, you'd have less pressure on Allen and Pierce offensively.

I don't know why KG gets a pass for his playoff performances, for a player of his talent level there's no excuse for his playoff numbers dropping.

Man, HELLLLLL no!

Dirk has been on a top five defensive team, Garnett ANCHORS a top five defensive squad. KG brings an intensity to your defense that Dirk simply doesn't and can't, and you can trust him as your last line of the D. But at least had Dirk played on those Celts teams Kendrick Perkins never would have gotten the ego he got from living off of Garnett.

Not to mention KG's passiveness on offense works on a team with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and I'm not sure how another dominant scorer like Dirk fits in there (even though he's not ball dominant so it probably wouldn't be a problem).

 

[Malta]

that celtics team with dirk sweeps the lakers. did you forget how dirk did gasol in the playoffs in 2011?

well heres a reminder

Dirk Nowitzki fadeaway + foul over Gasol - Mavs vs Lakers (2011 Playoffs) - YouTube

heres 32 points vs lakers

Dirk Nowitzki 32 points vs Lakers full highlights (2011 NBA playoffs CSF GM3) - YouTube

Playoffs -
50pts 12 rebs vs the Suns Western Conference finals 2006


40pts 7rebs vs the Jazz (29 points in the 4th quarter)


48pts 6rebs 4asts 12/15 FG and 24/24 from the line vs Thunder


The big German is a playoff monster.

 

[Malta]

Man, HELLLLLL no!

Dirk has been on a top five defensive team, Garnett ANCHORS a top five defensive squad. KG brings an intensity to your defense that Dirk simply doesn't and can't, and you can trust him as your last line of the D. But at least had Dirk played on those Celts teams Kendrick Perkins never would have gotten the ego he got from living off of Garnett.

Dirk has played on several top 10 defensive teams, doesn't matter if he anchors them or not, the point is he's not a liability defensively. The drop off in defense when KG was hurt wasn't huge, the Celtics were still a top defensive squad even with him out. And in 07/08 they had a ton of trouble scoring in the playoffs, even though KG was taking a lot of shots he wasn't very efficient offensively. What Dirk would have given them offensively would have been huge, and the drop off in defense wouldn't have killed them, especially when you look at all the teams they played when they won their title.

Not to mention KG's passiveness on offense works on a team with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and I'm not sure how another dominant scorer like Dirk fits in there (even though he's not ball dominant so it probably wouldn't be a problem).

They'd take a back seat to him offensively.

 

[Jesus]

This is just bullshyt here. You think Sabonis/Nowitzki are much superior offensively to Garnett because they're Euros and shoot three pointers?

Nowitzki is a better offensive player than KG, mainly because he's more aggressive and not as unselfish, but minus range KG has in the range - either slightly/much better or slightly lesser - of all of the skills Dirk has.

KG unselfish...more like afraid to take the big shot in crunch time.

 

[skaNo]

Haters always gonna hate on the Goat

thats my PF

 

[El Bombi]

So, we not going to talk about how Dirk sweep KG out the playoffs?

 

[Malta]

So, we not going to talk about how Dirk sweep KG out the playoffs?

Wasn't just a sweep, he lit KG up something awful in their matchup, had me ready to boycott Mavs games cause the shyt seemed almost like a hate crime.

 

[Broke Wave]

Do we have such short memory guys? Dirk SWEPT the world champion Lakers, 5 gamed the Thunder, then dismissed the Heat... without another allstar...