Where do Juicy J and DJ Paul rank as Hip Hop producers?

[Obtain Knowledge]

nikkas dont even know that paul and juice can mix and master as well

and this shyt right here is just

Int'l Players Anthem (I Choose You) (Director's Cut) - YouTube

Yup, here's Pimp C right at the 4:59 mark talking about working DJ Paul and Juicy J and using the beat and sample from the Project Pat song it was first used for. He also goes on to say Project Pat is one of his favorite if not his favorite rapper:




Here's the Project Pat song:



Here's DJ Paul also talking about the two songs (I Choose You and International Players Anthem):

 

[L Ray]

They are my favorite producers of all time. I think their most underrated masterpiece has to be Indo G's angel dust, so many different sounds on that album





This was always one of my favorites too.

 

[Art Barr]

Aren't Dj Paul & Juicy J from the 90's? That's why I used "from the 90's" because that's when they and their Southern contemporaries came up.

Organized Noize- Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, Soul Food, Still Standing>>>>> any DJ Paul & Juicy J produced album

No Joe- Ridin' Dirty, The Diary, The Untouchable >>>>

Earthtone III- Aquemini, Stankonia>>>>>

T-Mix- most of the music Eightball & MJG did in the 90's>>>>>

^^^ To name a few.

What are you basing that off of, sales.
I easily could pull and select the underground trip six shyt to rival all those.
Which still would be killing those records.
Those records you named I am not huge on production wise.
It is the sum of all parts.
For those records you listed.
In the case of triple six,...i hold those records over these you choose off instrumental alone.
There are select records from those you picked I think rival triple six's best stuff.
Yet, those one or two records are not as lone instrumentals rivaling what triple six did then or even evolved to, either.
Pus how irrelevant and a non-draw, those producers styles are currently as well.
I think you forget that triple6 production carried them solely, as a draw, too.
The artist and the records you listed had a sum of all parts and easily better emcees.

Yet and still triple6 has records in larger bulk, for that time period till now as well.
from that early time period consistently instrumental wise that smash those records best instrumental submission.



Art Barr

 

[BaRRyG]

Underated as fukk, so many nikkas done took there style and NEVER pay homage to them dudes...they need to be mentioned with the best and they been doing it for more than a decade consistent muthafukkas for sure, very rare you get that nowadays...

 

[JustCKing]

What are you basing that off of, sales.
I easily could pull and select the underground trip six shyt to rival all those.
Which still would be killing those records.
Those records you named I am not huge on production wise.
It is the sum of all parts.
For those records you listed.
In the case of triple six,...i hold those records over these you choose off instrumental alone.
There are select records from those you picked I think rival triple six's best stuff.
Yet, those one or two records are not as lone instrumentals rivaling what triple six did then or even evolved to, either.
Pus how irrelevant and a non-draw, those producers styles are currently as well.
I think you forget that triple6 production carried them solely, as a draw, too.
The artist and the records you listed had a sum of all parts and easily better emcees.

Yet and still triple6 has records in larger bulk, for that time period till now as well.
from that early time period consistently instrumental wise that smash those records best instrumental submission.



Art Barr

I'm familiar with DJ Paul & Juicy J's catalog beyond just the 3-6 records. You pulling out records is irrelevant because it won't change my opinion. Keep in mind, that those weren't just some random albums that I just decided to post. Those are all quality albums based on the production alone.

In terms of instrumentals especially if we were to delve into music theory, there's no comparison between some of those records offer vs. DJ Paul & Juicy J's.

Those producers styles are just as relevant as The Checkwriters especially in terms of defining the trap sound.

Again, I'm not trying to downplay the quality of Paul & J's music. There's a whole lot of compensating for them being underrated by overrating their ranking in comparison to other producers though.

 

[Art Barr]

I'm familiar with DJ Paul & Juicy J's catalog beyond just the 3-6 records. You pulling out records is irrelevant because it won't change my opinion. Keep in mind, that those weren't just some random albums that I just decided to post. Those are all quality albums based on the production alone.

In terms of instrumentals especially if we were to delve into music theory, there's no comparison between some of those records offer vs. DJ Paul & Juicy J's.

Those producers styles are just as relevant as The Checkwriters especially in terms of defining the trap sound.

Again, I'm not trying to downplay the quality of Paul & J's music. There's a whole lot of compensating for them being underrated by overrating their ranking in comparison to other producers though.

It is not overrating.
You are overrating whom you picked.
You are also forgetting juicy j and Paul produced more bangers on more albums in bulk and magnitude than those other producers.
Plus innovated drum and bass programming and sequencing.
Plus added an original flare to sampling, interpolation and original works of art.
while using a confining scope or direction built around horror movie based scoring.
where your attempt to use music theory would fall flat, and fail.
Take into consideration,......triple6 produced more bangers in bulk consistently with their own innovative sound and indie resources from 91 till the present.

No one in rap history has done that.


Art Barr

 

[Liu Kang]

Top 5 for me off longetivity and quality.
To me, Body Parts is their best sonically speaking (and personnal classic CD), it showed their versatility well and I recommend this album to anybody who wants to be introduced to the 36 sound :

That evil style :


Also 'Left 'em dead'.

That Atmospheric style :


you can place Life in Bondage here too

Depressed style (Koopsta's flow )




The Soulful sound



Gritty sound



Ans there is more but there are already too many YT links in my post but hope you got my point. :fry:

 

[BrothaZay]

Lol @ either of them being top 3
It's a reason juicy j needed mike will to blow up forreal forreal

 

[28 Gramz]

Lol @ either of them being top 3
It's a reason juicy j needed mike will to blow up forreal forreal

 

[BrothaZay]

So they top 3?

Dr Dre
Havoc
Neptunes
Blaze
Lex Luger
all betterrr

 

[SoulController]

lol @ Stankonia being used as an example. Earthtone 3 (Andre)'s beats were pretty bad then and they didnt age

if people wanna cite Organized thats fine, no one else from the south comes close. Mannie had a few crazy years but i cant put him in Paul and Juiceman's bracket

 

[28 Gramz]

So they top 3?

Dr Dre
Havoc
Neptunes
Blaze
Lex Luger
all betterrr

Dr Dre..you have an argument..Paul & J are better beatmakers, Dre is the better executive producer.

Havoc He got alot of classics, but he really shined with one certain style, not as diverse as Paul & Juice.

Neptunes Compare the beats on those Clipse or Noreaga albums to the piff 36 was puttin out from 95-02, not even close.

Blaze...He was on fire in the early 2000's, his catalog is pretty thin after that..Paul & Juice killed shyt from the early 90's up to now with waaaay more bangers

Lex Luger This don't even deserve a response, you gotta be like 16 sayin shyt like this.

 

[Dog Holiday]

Man they gave away so many classic beats to Lil Wyte from 04-07..

Lil Wyte - My smoking song lyrics - YouTube

Lil Wyte Ft. Frayser Boy - Big Ass Guns(2005) - YouTube

Lil Wyte Ft. Project Pat - Feelin Real Pimpish (2007) - YouTube

lil wyte ghostin' - YouTube

LIL WYTE-CHOPPA ON DA BACK SEAT - YouTube

Lil Wyte - Bay Area - YouTube

I Did Em Wrong - YouTube

Lil Wyte-Its On - YouTube

man lil wyte is a dope rappin cac

 

[JustCKing]

lol @ Stankonia being used as an example. Earthtone 3 (Andre)'s beats were pretty bad then and they didnt age

if people wanna cite Organized thats fine, no one else from the south comes close. Mannie had a few crazy years but i cant put him in Paul and Juiceman's bracket

This is all opinion. The same way Stankonia is laughable to you is the same way I feel about any DJ Paul and Juicy J production in comparison.

DJ Paul & Juicy J are great producers, but they aren't among the elite cream of the crop producers in Hip Hop.

 

[JustCKing]

It is not overrating.
You are overrating whom you picked.
You are also forgetting juicy j and Paul produced more bangers on more albums in bulk and magnitude than those other producers.
Plus innovated drum and bass programming and sequencing.
Plus added an original flare to sampling, interpolation and original works of art.
while using a confining scope or direction built around horror movie based scoring.
where your attempt to use music theory would fall flat, and fail.
Take into consideration,......triple6 produced more bangers in bulk consistently with their own innovative sound and indie resources from 91 till the present.

No one in rap history has done that.


Art Barr

I'm not overrating any of the producers I listed. Their work speaks for itself. A lot of those albums are critically acclaimed in which the production was praised.

Your whole post is the epitome of people overrating them to compensate for them being underrated. DJ Paul & Juicy did not innovate drum and bass programming, if so, provide an example of drum programming before them and an example after. Their form sampling, interpolation was done by Bone (yes I know about claims of Bone biting, but it's beside the point) before people even knew about Triple Six.