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Where do Juicy J and DJ Paul rank as Hip Hop producers?
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When you look at their catalog as a whole, there's not much they didn't do. From 96-99 they were pioneering their own sound. 66:61 and Tear Da Club Up Thugz really polished off the crunk/trap sound that has carried into present day southern rap. Really all rap.
Juicy and Paul were getting crazy with drum patterns and bass before it was cool to get that crazy.
They were doing things on underground tapes around Memphis in the early 90s (I think you can find a few examples online these days) that people never really HEARD until the Crunk movement took off.
Off their underground/lesser known shyt alone you could make a case for top 5. Chronicles of the juice, UGv1, UGv2, UGv3, DJ Paul's tape, Prophet Posse stuff. Side projects for the other artists they were working with early that you'd really have to search for. Just those sounds alone could support the argument that they're top 5 in the game.
Then you add in their stuff from the early 00s when HCP really took off. When they were getting features too.
At the peak of their early 00s sound they produced a sound for Pat that was as grimly as anything that they've ever done while crossing over to a universal market and still being creative and exploring different sounds and beats.
Of course they crossed over into the mainstream in 05-06 in a very major, MTV friendly way.
Then you follow them into the mid to late 00s when they were producing for their newer acts. Still held this ever-changing production that morphed with the new acts.
Point is, they've had so many other artists that they threw creative production at that never really saw the light of day in terms of mainstream. It's crazy.
The oddest thing to me are the samples that they've pulled for all of their songs. They'd pull a sample from an N64 game for one song then turn around and pull some terrifying soundtrack from a horror movie.
Of course the soul samples and classics that they would flip were always astonishing.
Another thing was their dedication to representing so many styles while still being themselves. They'd sample Screw tapes, Westcoast, Eastcoast. They'd emulate that Miami sound.
All the while they'd produce sentencing grimey, something soulful, something wild, something slow, something trippy, something fast, something screwed, something step
All on the same album
In 1996
Impressive duo. Was insanely underrated, but I think most people know now
[excuse the choppy flow of the post, just brain vomiting]
Juicy and Paul were getting crazy with drum patterns and bass before it was cool to get that crazy.
They were doing things on underground tapes around Memphis in the early 90s (I think you can find a few examples online these days) that people never really HEARD until the Crunk movement took off.
Off their underground/lesser known shyt alone you could make a case for top 5. Chronicles of the juice, UGv1, UGv2, UGv3, DJ Paul's tape, Prophet Posse stuff. Side projects for the other artists they were working with early that you'd really have to search for. Just those sounds alone could support the argument that they're top 5 in the game.
Then you add in their stuff from the early 00s when HCP really took off. When they were getting features too.
At the peak of their early 00s sound they produced a sound for Pat that was as grimly as anything that they've ever done while crossing over to a universal market and still being creative and exploring different sounds and beats.
Of course they crossed over into the mainstream in 05-06 in a very major, MTV friendly way.
Then you follow them into the mid to late 00s when they were producing for their newer acts. Still held this ever-changing production that morphed with the new acts.
Point is, they've had so many other artists that they threw creative production at that never really saw the light of day in terms of mainstream. It's crazy.
The oddest thing to me are the samples that they've pulled for all of their songs. They'd pull a sample from an N64 game for one song then turn around and pull some terrifying soundtrack from a horror movie.
Of course the soul samples and classics that they would flip were always astonishing.
Another thing was their dedication to representing so many styles while still being themselves. They'd sample Screw tapes, Westcoast, Eastcoast. They'd emulate that Miami sound.
All the while they'd produce sentencing grimey, something soulful, something wild, something slow, something trippy, something fast, something screwed, something step
All on the same album
In 1996
Impressive duo. Was insanely underrated, but I think most people know now
[excuse the choppy flow of the post, just brain vomiting]
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Majestyx
Duck Season
i dont care about them winning an oscar...
them nikkas are ATLEAST top 10, if not top 5. they better than most of the pop producing ass nikkas dude be naming
them nikkas are ATLEAST top 10, if not top 5. they better than most of the pop producing ass nikkas dude be naming
Breh Obama
First Breh President. Coli Prophet.
This shyt right here is just 
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Juicy J and DJ Paul are top 5 producers to me.
I can only see Primo and Timbaland being ahead of them really and that's with the slimmest of margins too.
I can only see Primo and Timbaland being ahead of them really and that's with the slimmest of margins too.
28 Gramz
How U Luv That???
Timbaland beats be banging breh. I know he don't do rap shyt that much now but I'm judging overall careers. It's not set in stone. I wouldn't argue if somebody had him ahead of DJ Paul and Juicy J.
nikka you acting like I had Swizz Beats there
BedRoomI'z
All Money In
Mystic Styles
Doctor Wily
CapcomSwag
Top 10 no matter what happens in the future for hiphop/rap music they're locked into that top 10
C-Styles
Superstar
Jesus Christ, since when the fu*k are we putting DJ Paul and Juicy J in the top 10 of Productions??? When the hell did this happen and over RZA, J Dilla, Preemo, Dre?? 
Nah man, yall are buggin...
Nah man, yall are buggin...
Jone2three45
Supporter
Highly,
Their musical skills can put me in a trance alone instrumental wise.
Their musical skills can put me in a trance alone instrumental wise.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Jesus Christ, since when the fu*k are we putting DJ Paul and Juicy J in the top 10 of Productions??? When the hell did this happen and over RZA, J Dilla, Preemo, Dre??
Nah man, yall are buggin...
They are as innovative soul sampling or arguably better than rza or dilla combined.
Next their actual music has stayed a staple of black music.
Whereas once the fire occurred for rza.
Plus rza had to go alternative because once he lost his shyt in said fire.
He never recovered.
just like tip never recovered from his flood or fire
Excuse me if I forget whether rza or tip had a flood or fire. It has been years since I thought to remember the exact circumstances of their loss to their vinyl and files.
Plus, rza's workrate was never on par with the bulk larger volume workrate of Paul and juice.
Speaking of workrate...
They work considerably faster and in larger bulk than anyone you can name that is perceived from nostalgia over them.
Plus their workrate sonically is ahead, on par and even better than anyone you can name to try to dispute as, well.
Plus they learned to create and mix live instruments into the fold of their sound.
Without losing a step of their edge production wise, or sonically.
Plus mastered it faster than anyone in rap, history as well.
Whereas, it is not the same dre who made no one can do it better, or nikka, for life at all.
Nex, they etched out an entire sound for a region that still is and will always be relevant. Without selling out or glossing up that sound to appease a pop crowd.
Like I said earlier...
People maybe resistant to the facts or the discography. Yet right now I could make a case for them being the goats.
Yet, I feel others could raise an argument based on the past.
Instead of the consistency to the here and now. Including the full past and timeline.
As I feel trap rap is nothingnore than horrorcore ny style one syllable beat'em up anthem chant ny style rap. Similar to a legion record, mixed with freestyle fellowship/bone and one syllable luke and early westcoast geto boyz/ugk before the south segregation.
Mixed with horrorcore score, and Miami bass and horror movie interpolation and sample base aesthetics at its core.
similiar to what if rza made grave diggaz with lesser skilled westcoast one syllable rappers, mixed with la the shop innovative melody emcees.
Based on consistency, workrate, relevency to the future, discography....
Right now, I could make a case for them being the best ever and I would be factually accurate to do so.
You really are just putting up your disputes based upon nostalgia.
When real talk, the facts point to right now juicy and Paul being rap's goat producers rather easily.
No one over the course of their career is as versatile, innovative sonically, with the workrate to factually win the argument against juicy j and Paul.
For nostalgia sake I will honor the idea of:
dilla
Rza
Primo
Bomb squad
Marley marl
Dre
As being close or the goat
Yet real talk,...the real long term goat producers in rap is;
Juicy j and DJ Paul
Nobody you can name can fukk with them, when the points of the argument are legitimately raised.
Art Barr
