When Jay put Prodigy on that Summer Jam Screen what was the aftermath?

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What DIRECT effect did Jay showing a 1983 baby pic of Prodigy dressed as Michael Jackson have?

Did it make Prodigy write worse raps? Nope. We already established P fell off before 01 Summer Jam.

Did it effect their street cred? Nope. The robbery incidents and Star interview did that.

Did it effect their sales? Nope. By 2001 the Mobbs kind of music wasn't gonna sell anyway.

And LOL at that pic making P Rick Ross status. You're apeshyt crazy right now. Again, Jay calling P a ballerina was just some funny shyt that had lil effect on Mobb Deep. People laughed for a few weeks and didn't give a fvck about it. People were more concerned with what Jay had to say about Nas at that Summer Jam. And btw, Im old enough and from NYC.

Also...if the lack of information and product being put out by artists had consumers and listeners talking about shyt more, and for a longer period, back in 2001, why didn't 2Pac shytting on the Mobb in 1996 have an effect on the Mobb???? That was 5 years earlier, the internet was much less accessible AND Pac was a much bigger artist in 1996 than Jay was in 2001. None of ya'll nikkas is answering that question...because you can't.
ok let me explain again... this ain't now... now we know these things.. i'm not talking about me.. or the few who were on the net, reading every interview... everyone's PERCEPTION was that jay just lyrically murdered P AND made... at the TIME.. one of the hardest rappers out.. who had dropped nothing but near classic/classic albums so far.. into a damn joke.. for however brief

yea everyone got these photos.. yea the shyt was years before 88.. yea he was imitating the greatest MJ.. yea P blah blah blah... sales, lyrics, whatever...

nikkas didn't do this back then.. name another famous rapper who put out another famous rappers pics?? not through some media... put out the pic, at a concert, to a diss nobody heard but was dying to hear, then called you a ballerina.. in NY.. if you don't think NY nikkas went completely nuts.. this is after you called him a bytch in an interview

nikkas didn't have a second chance to go see it in hd, on youtube.. you can't even find the shyt on any type of video TODAY.. what you think we actually knew about the facts back then. the masses.. the masses be confused like shyt now.. about beefs this board analyzes for years.. like this one

that was the aftermath.. that was the direct result.. 13 years later, it's still debated, still talked about, still an issue.. we remember that happening to P.. getting "put on that summer jam screen" is a known saying in hip hop.. everybody knows what jay did...

does anyone remember ANYTHING P did to impact jay in that way.. or anything that we talk about?
 

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No one even saw the pic for a few years, I want to say, after 2001....It was a minute before anyone saw it...Anyone denying how dynamic, how iconic. and how impactful this was, aren't being truthful with themselves, and are wrapping themselves in circles trying to discredit it's impact..we were on sohh getting updates from posters after the show and shyt, live reports...it was mayhem, chaotic, disorganized, but exciting....like living history...
 

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None of yall dudes claiming this corny Jr. High School stunt Jay pulled was super devastating have yet to answer why Pac dissing them, when he was much bigger than Jay was in 2001, didn't effect them. The basis of yall whole argument is that it hurt because Mobb was ALREADY in decline. That's my whole point. Jay shyt did very little to the Mobb. They were already in decline. And this argument that in 2001 the hip hop audience wasn't forgiving is bullshyt. This wasn't the mid 90's. The landscape of rap changed VERY significantly by 2001. Jay showing baby pics is something dudes woulda laughed at for a week and forgot about if the Mobb woulda came back with quality music, which they didn't.

exactly @ the bolded.

people don't want to acknowledge this. they want to act like mobb deep was still droppin stuff like infamous.

niccas wasn't even checking for mobb deep all like that anymore by 2001. like I said earlier, they were semi-old school and rap wasn't stagnant like it is today. we kept chit moving back then, cuz when somebody fell off, there was a ton of other hot chit coming out. we aint have time to coddle the old rappers like we do now.
 

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Stop it. Just testament that Takeover had as much, or more, premature bullshyt as Ether.

Not sure how this is even supposed to be a diss at all, its quintessential Jay (smart dumb bullshyt)

It's like Jay would have you believe P went thru his entire life dedicated to being an interpretive dancer, heard the Onyx debut and decided to record shook ones. It be like dissing Jay for "switching his demeanor" and being a drug dealer when he grew up wanting to be a fireman as a 6 year old. No shyt you perspectives change when you are no longer a child.


But then again, this is how Jay fans think, hence why instead of accomplishing anything they rather choose to waste time arguing in threads such as these.
 

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Not sure how this is even supposed to be a diss at all, its quintessential Jay (smart dumb bullshyt)

It's like Jay would have you believe P went thru his entire life dedicated to being an interpretive dancer, heard the Onyx debut and decided to record shook ones. It be like dissing Jay for "switching his demeanor" and being a drug dealer when he grew up wanting to be a fireman as a 6 year old. No shyt you perspectives change when you are no longer a child.


But then again, this is how Jay fans think, hence why instead of accomplishing anything they rather choose to waste time arguing in threads such as these.

Absolutely. It's crazy. There's dudes in here calling Jay puttin a kiddie pic of Prodigy out iconic, impactful....lol. What world are they in?

Another thing, Eazy E pulled this stunt also but it actually had a significant impact on Dr. Dre's image. He actually had pics of a GROWN MAN in make up and glitter. That actually made a lot people look at Dr. Dre as a studio gangsta.
 
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I want to read through the whole thread but I'm not :bryan: so if I say something that's already been said, my bad, but it definitely took a spark out of P, at least in my book. Listen to Infamy, he doesn't sound right on that whole record. Almost like Jay took his soul for a minute.
 

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Absolutely. It's crazy. There's dudes in here calling Jay puttin a kiddie pic of Prodigy out iconic, impactful....lol. What world are they in?

Another thing, Eazy E pulled this stunt also but it actually had a significant impact on Dr. Dre's image. He actually had pics of a GROWN MAN in make up and glitter. That actually made a lot people look at Dr. Dre as a studio gangsta.

I'm not saying any of these sites are to be taken seriously, but when you say it wasn't impactful, you're clearly wrong:

http://globalgrind.com/2013/06/01/13-most-epic-moments-summer-jam-history-list/

The 13 Most Epic Moments in Summerjam History

1. Jay-Z debuts “Takeover,” exposes Prodigy and brings out the real G. O. A. T., Michael Jackson.

http://www.heyreverb.com/blog/2013/...e-mobb-deep-moments-of-hip-hop-culture/68445/

The five most memorable Mobb Deep moments of hip-hop culture:

1) Ballerina P

http://www.weirdworm.com/15-most-insane-moments-in-hip-hop/

15 Most Insane Moments in Hip-Hop

2.Jay-Z Vs. Prodigy = Giant Ballerina Pic
 

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The hyperbole was otherworldly!! Most people didn't see the real pics until weeks, maybe months laters. You had people actually saying P was in a leotard and tutu and these were people with so called credentials. All we really knew was the audio because it was everywhere and the crowd reaction made it seem epic. But as the truth revealed it was just hype and great marketing by Roc-A-fella & Hot97 nothing more.

As far as Prodigy's street cred that had pretty much been wiped away when he got robbed at his video shoot and had to discuss it on 106th & Park.

Also "Infamy" was like Mobb Deep's highest selling album eventhough that was the start of them changing their formula.
 

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u mean like how u go around spreadin the stan infested bullsht of Kdot bringing "lyricism" back and changing hip hop forever :russ:

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that shut him up.

a rapper would do something, and it would be talked about for a good 3-4-5 months.. a rapper would announce his album dropping 5 months later, and it would drop that exact date, and be listened to 100 times over before you moved on to a new favorite... beef was anticipated.. nikkas would look like crackheads to find that new clue tape with the diss on it, or grab that new source mag with the disses

most of this is false.

there was WAY WAY MORE going on back then as opposed to now. rap is stagnant and boring as f*ck now.

there was way more music coming out back then as well.

rarely did anything drop on the exact date it was initially announced. people were getting pushed back all the time. a lot of people got pushed back into oblivion. jay-z is one of the few rappers whose release date actually stuck.

the only people that were stuck on the playing the same album 100 times over & over before they moved on to "a new favorite" were the people that aint have no type of collection. albums were literally droppin left & right. there would be a few notable joints droppin dam near every week. and then you had the mixtape game which was bananas.

and if a rapper did something that was talked about for 5 months, it was talked about that long because it was memorable and we're still talking about that stuff to this day actually.
 

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we remember that happening to P.. getting "put on that summer jam screen" is a known saying in hip hop.. everybody knows what jay did...

does anyone remember ANYTHING P did to impact jay in that way.. or anything that we talk about?
:wow: i feel like im learning so much

so Jay really ended Prodigy like that :ohhh: thats crazy
 
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