Whats wrong with pushing more Americans to work for lower wages like china does?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The average american is imbued with images of success and leisure with none of the gumption past generations had to actually create that security.

Pls don't oversell the grit of Americans of the past... we have been over this many times. We benefitted from a world that couldn't compete due to having to build from WWII or being stuck in the stone age.

I think Americans would be amenable to removing the wage floor if basic necessities weren't artificially inflated or completely inaccessible.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Pls don't oversell the grit of Americans of the past... we have been over this many times. We benefitted from a world that couldn't compete due to having to build from WWII or being stuck in the stone age.

I think Americans would be amenable to removing the wage floor if basic necessities weren't artificially inflated or completely inaccessible.

Oh, I wholly acknowledge this. The USA was the only power for 60 years.

But im talking about existential pressures to consumer and labor demands of the west

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Sometimes it's better not to broadcast every single thought that comes in to your brain

But none of this changes the very real problem facing the west

 

[Red Shield]

You live here, don't you?

You can't have it both ways.

Globalism is here.

So we have to put people to work. The realize impacts of a shifting labor market outside of the USA is not positive for us.

You're right you can't have it both ways.. the top wants one thing.. the bottom wants another.

the avg joe will decide to say "too hell with globalism." Why the hell do you think all these western countries are starting to move to the far right

You're being delusional

 

[Cynic]

i was with you up until the very end. if you believe that one day we'll only have the super duper rich and the absolutely poor, then where you end up is not entirely up to you. super duper rich is not some status you just put your mind to and achieve.

I've seen bed ridden patients facing death make $XX,XXX/month
remotely with no capital/connections legally in less than 60 days

You are right super duper rich isn't some status... there's more to it
and while perhaps there maybe more fruitful pursuits in your life
( ie family/social life etc )

That doesn't apply to everyone.....

I'm plagued by a ravenous beast that cannot be sated and as such
tend to come off as being esoteric to most ....

However as long as i'm of sound mind and have the neurological
functions to communicate... I will acquire and create multiple
income ascension vehicles until I hit my elusive target

NO MATTER WHAT

I've got skills and degrees that keep me in demand as an employee. I get it.

But most of us were raised by parents who didn't and who worked jobs that were just openly available.

Now, those same jobs aren't in the USA and people are just magically pretending that they can shift over into something they're not qualified for, don't have the aptitude for, or simply don't deserve.

It doesn't work that way.

The VAST majority of Americans expect too much out of their future careers and haven't owned up to the reality of what a stable job is, looks like, or what their personal futures will resemble under the bright lights of an "idealized" career. Not enough people are settling with what they have and trying to live lives they can't afford.

It's the lack of gratitude that plagues western civilization...

We want guarantees of outcome not guarantees of opportunity

Job security is the biggest sham as well

This thankless "I deserve blah blah blah" mentality is rampant

Pity they don't recognize "to deserve" is something even a corpse can do

To deserve requires no improvement, no effort and no agency.

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

I don't get what's wrong with a profit sharing economy like the nba does
The owners get 51% of profits and split them
The players get 49% of profits and split them


- blackierobinson

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're right you can't have it both ways.. the top wants one thing.. the bottom wants another.

the avg joe will decide to say "too hell with globalism." Why the hell do you think all these western countries are starting to move to the far right

You're being delusional

so something, for nothing?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I've seen bed ridden patients facing death make $XX,XXX/month
remotely with no capital/connections legally in less than 60 days

You are right super duper rich isn't some status... there's more to it
and while perhaps there maybe more fruitful pursuits in your life
( ie family/social life etc )

That doesn't apply to everyone.....

I'm plagued by a ravenous beast that cannot be sated and as such
tend to come off as being esoteric to most ....

However as long as i'm of sound mind and have the neurological
functions to communicate... I will acquire and create multiple
income ascension vehicles until I hit my elusive target

NO MATTER WHAT



It's the lack of gratitude that plagues western civilization...

We want guarantees of outcome not guarantees of opportunity

Job security is the biggest sham as well

This thankless "I deserve blah blah blah" mentality is rampant

Pity they don't recognize "to deserve" is something even a corpse can do

To deserve requires no improvement, no effort and no agency.

I think you completely understand what I'm getting at.

 

[Tate]

Wages.

Nothing about safety or environmental protections has to change.

Whats funny is that in all these insult laden half-assed retorts you have, its clear you're not interested in helping american workers who are struggling, en masse.

Its that same elitism that allows you all to pretend to have the answers under the guise of "higher standards" when you simply continue to overlook those who make up the silent majority of the labor market.

Nap why did you skip over that data showing you don't know shyt about Chinese wages? Is it because you're dumb?

Positing that only wages have to decrease for American manufacturing to be competitive with Chinese and other East Asian markets ignores several huge advantages Asian manufactures have when it comes to workplace safety and environmental regulation. 600,000 people die in China annually from overwork, though the official workday is 8 hours, obviously there seems a disconnect here. Though again, these numbers have been getting less bad over the past decades because for a society to actively lower their workers living standard as material wealth grows and production explodes is a retarded idea.

Chinese factories almost universally run on low grade coal. Coal is the cheapest, most plentiful energy source on earth, especially when mining companies aren't obligated to only extract the rarer, harder to mine, high grade veins. Energy overhead is much lower for this reason. Coal is also an environmental disaster and isn't practical to use as a fuel source going forward.

Nap you literally started a thread saying workers need to be paid less

Nap two months ago you literally said I was too poor to be socialist, please stick with one narrative.

Break

Those

Lines

Brehs

 

[tmonster]

what's wrong with slavery? they got food and a place to sleep right?

 

[NZA]

At some point, Americans with no skills and who are under educated are going to need to get in where they fit in.

You can't beat China doing what we're doing 20 years from now.

Wage floors might have to go down

Whats wrong with this way of thinking?

People want jobs at home, right?

What are Americans willing to do for it?

How much farther will we kick the can down the road?

that's fine if you accept the danger and political instability that comes with that kind of society.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

that's fine if you accept the danger and political instability that comes with that kind of society.

Worked out well for the developed world.

People lionize the past, but those jobs weren't that GREAT. They were hard. They were boring. And they were dead end.

But they were jobs.

Now, Americans want "fulfillment" in everything they do, instead of leaving that sort of fantasy in the novels they read at lunch time.

 

[714562]

At some point, Americans with no skills and who are under educated are going to need to get in where they fit in.

Except that's not what those Americans want. They want those same low-skill, low-education jobs, but at a "living" wage. When people use the phrase "jobs Americans will not do" what they mean is "jobs Americans will not do for the prevailing wage." So no, there are zero Americans who "want" to do those jobs, as you are claiming.

You can't beat China doing what we're doing 20 years from now.

Twenty years from now, the wages in China will be higher.

 

[NZA]

Worked out well for the developed world.

People lionize the past, but those jobs weren't that GREAT. They were hard. They were boring. And they were dead end.

But they were jobs.

Now, Americans want "fulfillment" in everything they do, instead of leaving that sort of fantasy in the novels they read at lunch time.

a decline is different from an ascension. decline will have a different reaction, breh

 

[88m3]

Is this one of those they don't know any better so why not take advantage of the working class arguments?