What would 2005-2006 Kobe average today with that same squad?

[Killer Instinct]

would have been all for pulling people's minutes back in this era.

We're not ralking about "people" nikka, we're explicitly discussing Kobe Bryant, and PJ & Kobe Bryant never adhered to any status quo. You yourself lament how he was supposedly against heavy minutes in a heavy minute era and yet he still played Kobe Bryant 40+. That only reinforces my point that 05-06 Kobe plays heavy minutes if Phil Jackson is his coach, and he does so with Phil's blessings. You're so focused on rattling off your buzz words like "mythologize" and "philosophical" that you can't even stay on topic without poking holes in your own argument.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

We're not ralking about "people" nikka, we're explicitly discussing Kobe Bryant, and PJ & Kobe Bryant never adhered to any status quo. You yourself lament how he was supposedly against heavy minutes in a heavy minute era and yet he still played Kobe Bryant 40+.

You continue to ignore that Kobe was only 5th in minutes that year. It was normal back then. So why would Kobe go from playing normal minutes for a star in 2006 to doing something that literally no one in the entire decade was doing in 2021?

Touche my brother. Still will say that at most Kobe would score 40 a night with the increased amount of 3's he would be taking.

Agree that’s what the adjusted for era show

Didn't @ALonelyDad post the "adjusted for era" and it only showed 38ppg?

And that doesn't even take into account that Kobe would be playing fewer minutes in this era like literally everyone else.

Last year Beal led the NBA with 22.9 fga/game. Literally no one since 2006 has averaged 25 fga....but in 2006 there were two guys who did it, AI at 25.3 and Kobe at 27.2. That wasn't even AI's high - he had done 25.5 and 27.8 a few years earlier. Bron hit 23.1 and McGrady hit 23.4 in the same era.

It would be even crazier for Kobe to shoot 27 times/game now because no one plays 40+ minutes anymore and it isn't an era of stars going iso all game because defensive zones are much better able to key in on stars and force the ball out of their hand unless they're set up well above the 3pt line or have shooting threats all around that have to be respected. The 2006 Lakers didn't have shooting threats and Kobe was never the guy hitting logo threes all day, that wasn't his range. But y'all have him shooting 30 times a game? 35 times a game? You realize how silly that sounds?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Probably 38ish with like probably five more three attempts and the way the game is played today

 

[Remote]

And don't forget that Kobe and Odom both were playing about 41 minutes/game for that team. NO ONE plays that today. He'd automatically get his scoring knocked down 10% solely off the fact that he play at least 10% fewer minutes if not moreso.





That graphic doesn't factor in minutes. No way Kobe plays 41 minutes/game in this era.

I'm fukking hollering at the daps that a basketball reference picture is getting.

Kobe stans are the most anti stats analysis people on earth....and they're attempting to use a data website to make an argument.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

We're not ralking about "people" nikka, we're explicitly discussing Kobe Bryant, and PJ & Kobe Bryant never adhered to any status quo. You yourself lament how he was supposedly against heavy minutes in a heavy minute era and yet he still played Kobe Bryant 40+. That only reinforces my point that 05-06 Kobe plays heavy minutes if Phil Jackson is his coach, and he does so with Phil's blessings. You're so focused on rattling off your buzz words like "mythologize" and "philosophical" that you can't even stay on topic without poking holes in your own argument.

Phil Jackson wasn't even playing Kobe the most minutes in 2006, so why the hell would he suddenly play him way the fukk beyond what players are playing now? I call your "march to the beat of his own drum" argument philosphical nonsense because that's exactly what it is - some bullshyt you made up to magically justify an argument that has no legs to stand on.

If Phil Jackson was so insistent on doing things his own way then Kobe would have averaged more minutes than he did in 2006. You're not even consistent in your arguments. AI and LeBron were playing 42 minutes in 2006. Why wasn't Kobe, huh? Did Kobe not want it bad enough? Did Phil Jackson become a conformist?

 

[Lakerman0834]

You continue to ignore that Kobe was only 5th in minutes that year. It was normal back then. So why would Kobe go from playing normal minutes for a star in 2006 to doing something that literally no one in the entire decade was doing in 2021?






Didn't @ALonelyDad post the "adjusted for era" and it only showed 38ppg?

And that doesn't even take into account that Kobe would be playing fewer minutes in this era like literally everyone else.

Last year Beal led the NBA with 22.9 fga/game. Literally no one since 2006 has averaged 25 fga....but in 2006 there were two guys who did it, AI at 25.3 and Kobe at 27.2. That wasn't even AI's high - he had done 25.5 and 27.8 a few years earlier. Bron hit 23.1 and McGrady hit 23.4 in the same era.

It would be even crazier for Kobe to shoot 27 times/game now because no one plays 40+ minutes anymore and it isn't an era of stars going iso all game because defensive zones are much better able to key in on stars and force the ball out of their hand unless they're set up well above the 3pt line or have shooting threats all around that have to be respected. The 2006 Lakers didn't have shooting threats and Kobe was never the guy hitting logo threes all day, that wasn't his range. But y'all have him shooting 30 times a game? 35 times a game? You realize how silly that sounds?

pace is much faster now and why you lumping kobe, with he mentally fragile athletes of today. He wouldnt sit out for sprained finger on non-shooting hand. You also seem to forget kobe held the record for most 3s in a game for a while so you thinking he wouldnt shoot more 3s this era is flawed. You acting like kobe would change his game when in fact this era would highlight his srengths

 

[Dwight Howard]

that roster was not bad for 2006.

hero ball is dead, unless your jumper is really wet, and kobe's J was not like that.

he would have to let odom and the young guys cook. otherwise, its just struggle ball again.

EDIT: i forgot this is the coli. i'll prolly get banned for actually talking basketball.

quit discussing basketball

 

[tremonthustler1]

He wouldn't even need to develop into a better 3-point shooter. He shot 35% from 3 in 2005-06. That's still a pretty good 3pt%. He would just take a lot more now and with more possessions, he would also take more 2pt FGs.

That's league average now, if that.

 

[010101]

y'all love mamba i know

but chill

ha

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[FunkDoc1112]

That's league average now, if that.

League average was 36% in 2006, too. Still the same now.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

pace is much faster now and why you lumping kobe, with he mentally fragile athletes of today.

Pace being faster is one of several reasons that guys are playing fewer minutes. You can't have all the benefits you want of the new era and then ignore the disadvantages. If he could play 40+ minutes in the fast pace of 2021, then why didn't he play 45 minutes/game in the slower pace of 2006? If Kobe would play the most minutes because he is "mentally strong", then why didn't he play 42-43 minutes/game in 2006 like LeBron and Iverson did? Why was he just 5th in minutes that year rather than 1st?

I'm fukking hollering at the daps that a basketball reference picture is getting.

Kobe stans are the most anti stats analysis people on earth....and they're attempting to use a data website to make an argument.

Breh, they ain't anti-stats at all, they are OBSESSED with stats. It's always points, points, points. Regular season ppg matters more to them than playoff performances. Look at this entire thread full of shyt like pace and three-point attempts and so on. They will use every single statistic they can find if they think it helps their argument.

 

[Goatpoacher]

This.

Kobe's 05-06 season is the greatest scoring season in NBA history when adjusted for pace. If he could average 35ppg in that slow low possession better defense era, I have no doubt he would average AT LEAST 45ppg in this era.

My guess would be: 45 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG on 47% shooting.

AI averaged 33 ppg that same season. Lebron averaged 31.4.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

One thing everyone is ignoring is that "Kobe would shoot more threes!" would hardly change his ppg at all. Shooting extra threes at 34% is only going to be a fractional improvement over the midrange shots Kobe was taking at 43%. Do the math.

Back in 2006, Kobe played 41 minutes a game and shot 27 times a game. Almost 7 of those were threes. Let's say Kobe shoots 10 threes/game in 2021. That's a crazy-high number, just 1 behind Steph. But how much would it increase his scoring average?

If he shoots 3 extra threes at 34.7%, that's 3.1 extra points a game. But you have to take into account that those extra threes don't come out of nowhere, he shoots 3 fewer midrange, right? Well in 2006, Kobe shot about 43% from midrange. So 3 fewer midrange shots at 43% is 2.6 points/game he would lose from fewer midrange.

So Kobe shooting 27 times a game with 10 threes a game would lead to exactly......0.5 ppg more than he averaged in 2006.

In order to get up to 38-39 ppg like some of y'all are claiming, he'd have to be playing 40+ minutes a game AND shooting 30 times a game AND have 10 of those shots be threes. And the idea that Kobe would play 40+ minutes and shooting 30+ times a game right now is more than a little bit silly.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

AI averaged 33 ppg that same season. Lebron averaged 31.4.

Nobody on this board will dare acknowledge how those first couple of years after the league got rid of hand checking saw a ridiculous rise in fouls and free throws - Wade's '06 finals was the shining example but that was ahppening all over the league from about 04-07. Which is why I always laugh at nikkas here complaining about the fouls now when it's not even as bad as it was those years

Cant touch players now? You couldn't touch players THEN! Refs hadn't properly calibrated themselves to the new rules so they were blowing the whistle on everything.

Only two players this season are averaging 10 FTA. Six players averaged 10 FTA in 2006. People were acting like the sky was falling last year when 3 players averaged 30 PPG and 12 players averaged 25...in 2006, at a slower pace, 3 players averaged 30 PPG and 10 players averaged over 25

Selective memory is a motherfukker.

 

[Controversy]

Kobe in a league with 6'7 to 6'8 guys masquerading as PFs, a faster pace, an emphasis on attacking the rim and threes, and teammates that will jack threes to open up more space for him

He averages 40 easily...I think the sweet spot is 42.4