What would 2005-2006 Kobe average today with that same squad?

[Professor Emeritus]

That’s what’s hilarious. Bradley is better at nothing than Kobe and he’s averaging 35. Dudes are nuts.

Beal is averaging 33ppg in 20 games and that will continue to drop. He's never averaged more than 30.6ppg for a season.

Jerry Stackhouse averaged 30ppg in 2001 and he was worse than Beal at literally everything.

 

[FS4LFE]

A lot. Especially if you assume he would shoot more 3’s

 

[stepbackj34spud]

Who cares about adjusted stats though? No one is averaging 40 now and as great as Kobe was he aint getting damn near 50 a game either. Of course we will never know.

I don’t think these guys realize that Kobe was already taking 27FGA per game in 06. How much more could he score? Kobe was too skilled to shoot 3s all game like Harden so this notion that he’d take like 10 3s a game is crazy. He wouldn’t average much more than he did in 06 playing today.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Iverson averaged like 33.0 a game that same season but its overlooked because how great Kobe's season was

Arenas averaged 29.3ppg and Bron 31.4ppg the same year. All four (Kobe, AI, Bron, and Arenas) scored their career high that season.

 

[Reggie]

I don’t think these guys realize that Kobe was already taking 27FGA per game in 06. How much more could he score? Kobe was too skilled to shoot 3s all game like Harden so this notion that he’d take like 10 3s a game is crazy. He wouldn’t average much more than he did in 06 playing today.

Same way i feel as well bruh. In fact Kobe maybe would concentrate more on the playmaking aspect of his game thus having cats like Odom and Pau scoring more. But KD has is a better shooter than Kobe and he never went crazy shooting 10 plus 3's a game and i think Kobe would play similar as well.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Same way i feel as well bruh. In fact Kobe maybe would concentrate more on the playmaking aspect of his game thus having cats like Odom and Pau scoring more. But KD has is a better shooter than Kobe and he never went crazy shooting 10 plus 3's a game and i think Kobe would play similar as well.

2006 Kobe didn’t have pau. He was running with smush,Odom,Walton and co. Pace was slower back then and defense was actually played.

 

[Killer Instinct]

That's how coaches do things now,

Is Phil Jackson still his coach?


If so, Phil was notorious for bucking trends and thinking he was above it all. Enlightened more than his peers and frankly, eager to do things differently. Its why a large part of his contemporaries didnt care for him. He also had the blessing on the front office. Most coaches called timeouts after teams went on 10 - 0 runs. Most front offices, players, and coaches viewed the Triangle Offense as dated in the late '00s. Most coaches didnt hand out books to their players with the intent to quell tension & teach philosphy. Most coaches didnt ask their players for book reports. Kobe is also historically arguably the most stubborn superstar in NBA history.


Both Phil & Kobe took solace in going against the grain and doing things their way. Kobes MPG argument completely ignores that reality. There's no rule against players playing over 40 MPG, and the fact that no one is doing it is all the more reason why PJ & Kobe would.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Is Phil Jackson still his coach?


If so, Phil was notirious for bucking trends and thinking he was above it all. Enlightened more than his peers and frankly, eager to do things differently. Its why a large part of his contemporaries didnt care for him. He also had the blessing on the front office. Most coaches called timeouts after teams went on 10 - 0 runs. Most front offices, players, and coaches viewed the Triangle Offense as dated in the late '00s. Most coaches didnt hand out books to their players with the intent to quell tension & teach philosphy. Most coaches didnt ask their players for book reports. Kobe is also historically arguably the most stubborn superstar in NBA history.


Both Phil & Kobe took solace in going against the grain and doing things their way. Kobes MPG argument completely ignores that reality. There's no rule against players playing over 40 MPG, and the fact that no one is doing it is all the more reason why PJ & Kobe would.

If Phil was so dead set on doing things differently then why was Kobe playing 40 MPG like every damn player that era was anyway

By your logic Kobe shoulda been playing Wilt minutes in 2006.

And in fact, Phil Jackson was a big proponent of NOT running guys into the ground and playing them stupid minutes. Literally his first priority when he took over the Bulls was playing MJ LESS minutes.

 

[Killer Instinct]

If Phil was so dead set on doing things differently

He was and had been throughout his career. Are you going to ignore the reality of the traits he had to make your point, or are we having a discussion about this in good faith?

then why was Kobe playing 40 MPG

Because Smush Parker & Kwame Brown were starters on his team? Phil took pride in marching to the beat of his own drum, but he still coached with the intent to win like every other coach. Kobe also dictated his MPG at this stage of his career. If he wants to play 40 MPG, at this stage of their relationship, PJ is playing him 40 MPG.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

He was and had been throughout his career. Are you going to ignore the reality of the traits he had to make your point, or are we having a discussion about this in good faith?





Because Smush Parker & Kwame Brown were starters on his team? Phil took pride in marching to the beat of his own drum, but he still coached with the intent to win like every other coach. Kobe also dictated his MPG at this stage of his career. If he wants to play 40 MPG, at this stage of their relationship, PJ is playing him 40 MPG.

nikka, YOU'RE ignoring one of Phil Jackson's key traits to make some nonsensical, broad-strokes philosophical point about him. You're not arguing in good faith at all.

Phil Jackson was actually AGAINST playing guys big minutes and would have been all for pulling people's minutes back in this era. But no, because he "goes against the grain" so much he would've magically changed that, huh?

 

[MikelArteta]

hero ball is dead yet bradley beal is literally doing hero ball every night

 

[Reggie]

2006 Kobe didn’t have pau. He was running with smush,Odom,Walton and co. Pace was slower back then and defense was actually played.

Touche my brother. Still will say that at most Kobe would score 40 a night with the increased amount of 3's he would be taking.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Touche my brother. Still will say that at most Kobe would score 40 a night with the increased amount of 3's he would be taking.

Agree that’s what the adjusted for era show

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If Phil was so dead set on doing things differently then why was Kobe playing 40 MPG like every damn player that era was anyway

By your logic Kobe shoulda been playing Wilt minutes in 2006.

And in fact, Phil Jackson was a big proponent of NOT running guys into the ground and playing them stupid minutes. Literally his first priority when he took over the Bulls was playing MJ LESS minutes.

Because Smush Parker & Kwame Brown were starters on his team? Phil took pride in marching to the beat of his own drum, but he still coached with the intent to win like every other coach. Kobe also dictated his MPG at this stage of his career. If he wants to play 40 MPG, at this stage of their relationship, PJ is playing him 40 MPG.

You're ignoring the point. 40 mpg was NOT unusual in 2006. Kobe was just 5th in the league in minutes in 2006. There were dozens of guys in the 2000s that played more minutes than Kobe did.

So why would Kobe be just 5th in minutes in 2006, but be 1st by a long shot in 2021?

Imagine him running 2 pick and rolls every play with just Shooters around him

The whole premise of the thread was that he has the same shytty team around him.

Imagine their being no big man to protect the rim on his drives

Imagine thinking 2006 was an era full of bigs protecting the rim.

Imagine 10 to 15 3s attempted a game

Even Steph fukking Curry only averages 11 threes a game on an awful team.

But Kobe with a career average of 32.9% from 3pt range is going to average 10 to 15 threes....why? And since he never improved his 3pt% over the course of his career despite shooting 5500 of them in games and being maniacal about practice (his two best seasons were 1997 and 2003), why would he suddenly become the biggest 3-point shooter in the NBA?

Kobe never led the NBA in 3pt attempts in his entire career. The closest he came was 2006 (when he averaged 6.5/game, a full 2 attempts behind Ray Allen's 8.4/game). So why the hell would he suddenly become the league leader in the modern NBA rather than guys like Steph, Dame, Kyrie, Beal, etc. who all shoot the three better than him and handle the ball far more as well?

 

[stepbackj34spud]

Same way i feel as well bruh. In fact Kobe maybe would concentrate more on the playmaking aspect of his game thus having cats like Odom and Pau scoring more. But KD has is a better shooter than Kobe and he never went crazy shooting 10 plus 3's a game and i think Kobe would play similar as well.

Perfect analogy. Somebody with an extremely polished and fundamentally sound game like Kobe wouldn’t resort to the gimmick style play Harden uses. Kobe taking 27FGA and 7 3s a game in 06 is most likely the same Kobe you are going to get in 21.