What would 2005-2006 Kobe average today with that same squad?

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe in a league with 6'7 to 6'8 guys masquerading as PFs, a faster pace, an emphasis on attacking the rim and threes, and teammates that will jack threes to open up more space for him

He averages 40 easily...I think the sweet spot is 42.4

As if 2006 was full of rim protectors.

Who were the western conference power forwards in 2006? Boozer, Diaw, Dirk, Martin, Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Randolph, West, Juwan Howard, Rashard Lewis? You think THOSE guys were stopping Kobe from scoring? The only big-time rim protectors at PF were Duncan, Garnett, and Pau.


Kobe would have to take damn near 35 shots/game to average 42.4. No one in the NBA has averaged even 25 shots/game in the last 10 years. Why do y'all ignore that?

 

[Sccit]

This.

Kobe's 05-06 season is the greatest scoring season in NBA history when adjusted for pace. If he could average 35ppg in that slow low possession better defense era, I have no doubt he would average AT LEAST 45ppg in this era.

My guess would be: 45 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG on 47% shooting.

50+ EASY WHEN U CONSIDER SPACING AND EVERY BIT OF CONTACT BEING CALLED A FOUL

 

[Professor Emeritus]

KD looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.5ppg this year, right now, in this era.

Steph looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.4ppg in this era.

LeBron looks at good as he's ever been on the offensive end and he's only averaging 25.5ppg in this era.

Dame is a crazy scorer and he's averaging 29.1ppg.

Kyrie is "the most offensively talented player ever" according to some posters and he's averaging 27.5ppg


Yes pace is up but minutes played are down. Yes threes are up but field goal attempts for stars are down. Yes spacing is better but defenses also collapse on scorers better, which is why stars need shooters around them to be effective.

These mythological threads always assume that a player could magically take all the benefits of a new era and none of the disadvantages. If Kobe only averaged 2 more fga than the 2nd-place guy in 2006, why are people pretending that he would average TEN more attempts than the 2nd-place guy in 2021? Do they even realize how ridiculous that idea is?

Nobody on this board will dare acknowledge how those first couple of years after the league got rid of hand checking saw a ridiculous rise in fouls and free throws - Wade's '06 finals was the shining example but that was ahppening all over the league from about 04-07. Which is why I always laugh at nikkas here complaining about the fouls now when it's not even as bad as it was those years

Only two players this season are averaging 10 FTA. Six players averaged 10 FTA in 2006. People were acting like the sky was falling last year when 3 players averaged 30 PPG and 12 players averaged 25...in 2006, at a slower pace, 3 players averaged 30 PPG and 10 players averaged over 25

Yup. There's only ONE guy averaging over 30ppg right now and his scoring will likely go down as the season progresses. While in 2006, you had Kobe, Iverson, LeBron, and Arenas ALL hit their career scoring highs. KD in 2021 is 2nd in the league with 29.5ppg, in 2006 that would have only placed him 4th and he would have been a full 3.5ppg behind 2nd place. LeBron "isn't even a scorer" according to the Coli yet he averaged a career high 31.4ppg that year, something he's never come close to doing in this era despite the fact that his offensive skills were far weaker in 2006. Fools here want to pretend that 2006 was some impossible season for stars to hit big scoring totals even though they were doing it all over the league.

 

[Sccit]

@Rhakim get lebron's nutz out your mouth and stop hating on everything kobe

YOU THOUGHT ITD STOP AFTER KOBE PASSED?

THE HATE IS REAL

 

[Sccit]

KD looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.5ppg this year, right now, in this era.

Steph looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.4ppg in this era.

LeBron looks at good as he's ever been on the offensive end and he's only averaging 25.5ppg in this era.

Dame is a crazy scorer and he's averaging 29.1ppg.

Kyrie is "the most offensively talented player ever" according to some posters and he's averaging 27.5ppg


Yes pace is up but minutes played are down. Yes threes are up but field goal attempts for stars are down. Yes spacing is better but defenses also collapse on scorers better, which is why stars need shooters around them to be effective.

These mythological threads always assume that a player could magically take all the benefits of a new era and none of the disadvantages. If Kobe only averaged 2 more fga than the 2nd-place guy in 2006, why are people pretending that he would average TEN more attempts than the 2nd-place guy in 2021? Do they even realize how ridiculous that idea is?




Yup. There's only ONE guy averaging over 30ppg right now and his scoring will likely go down as the season progresses. While in 2006, you had Kobe, Iverson, LeBron, and Arenas ALL hit their career scoring highs. KD in 2021 is 2nd in the league with 29.5ppg, in 2006 that would have only placed him 4th and he would have been a full 3.5ppg behind 2nd place. LeBron "isn't even a scorer" according to the Coli yet he averaged a career high 31.4ppg that year, something he's never come close to doing in this era despite the fact that his offensive skills were far weaker in 2006. Fools here want to pretend that 2006 was some impossible season for stars to hit big scoring totals even though they were doing it all over the league.

AND KOBE IS LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF ALL THESE PLAYERS IN TERMS OF BEIN A PURE SCORER

LEBRON IS NOT THE SCORER HE WAS IN HIS PRIME, AND IVERSON + ARENAS WOULD BE AVERAGING 30+ PPG NOWADAYS TOO

THATS KINDA THE POINT........

 

[FunkDoc1112]

KD looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.5ppg this year, right now, in this era.

Steph looks as good as he's ever been and he's only averaging 29.4ppg in this era.

LeBron looks at good as he's ever been on the offensive end and he's only averaging 25.5ppg in this era.

Dame is a crazy scorer and he's averaging 29.1ppg.

Kyrie is "the most offensively talented player ever" according to some posters and he's averaging 27.5ppg


Yes pace is up but minutes played are down. Yes threes are up but field goal attempts for stars are down. Yes spacing is better but defenses also collapse on scorers better, which is why stars need shooters around them to be effective.

These mythological threads always assume that a player could magically take all the benefits of a new era and none of the disadvantages. If Kobe only averaged 2 more fga than the 2nd-place guy in 2006, why are people pretending that he would average TEN more attempts than the 2nd-place guy in 2021? Do they even realize how ridiculous that idea is?




Yup. There's only ONE guy averaging over 30ppg right now and his scoring will likely go down as the season progresses. While in 2006, you had Kobe, Iverson, LeBron, and Arenas ALL hit their career scoring highs. KD in 2021 is 2nd in the league with 29.5ppg, in 2006 that would have only placed him 4th and he would have been a full 3.5ppg behind 2nd place. LeBron "isn't even a scorer" according to the Coli yet he averaged a career high 31.4ppg that year, something he's never come close to doing in this era despite the fact that his offensive skills were far weaker in 2006. Fools here want to pretend that 2006 was some impossible season for stars to hit big scoring totals even though they were doing it all over the league.

I can't look it back up now thanks to that damn Stathead shyt, but there were over 100 forty-point games in 2006, the same as last year...yet people act like 2006 was tougher.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

AND KOBE IS LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF ALL THESE PLAYERS IN TERMS OF BEIN A PURE SCORER

LEBRON IS NOT THE SCORER HE WAS IN HIS PRIME, AND IVERSON + ARENAS WOULD BE AVERAGING 30+ PPG NOWADAYS TOO

THATS KINDA THE POINT........

So you think Arenas, the guy who only had three 20ppg seasons in his career, is a bigger scorer than Steph, Dame, and KD.....

2006 wasn't LeBron's prime at ALL. He was only 20yo and wasn't even close to the scoring ability he developed later. The only reason he scored so much in 2006 was because he played a ton of minutes and refs sent him to the free throw line a ton of times. If 2006 was such a tough year to score, then why did Bron average 31.6ppg in 2006, a total he never touched in his prime, or in this supposedly easy era when he has a much better shot?


There were 7 players who shot at least 700 free throws in 2006. Meanwhile, only ONE player shot over 700 free throws in any of the last three seasons.....James Harden.

Why is everyone ignoring that?

 

[Controversy]

As if 2006 was full of rim protectors.

Who were the western conference power forwards in 2006? Boozer, Diaw, Dirk, Martin, Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Randolph, West, Juwan Howard, Rashard Lewis? You think THOSE guys were stopping Kobe from scoring? The only big-time rim protectors at PF were Duncan, Garnett, and Pau.


Kobe would have to take damn near 35 shots/game to average 42.4. No one in the NBA has averaged even 25 shots/game in the last 10 years. Why do y'all ignore that?

The scenario clearly states with his 05-06 roster...and we know they were incapable of generating their own offense

The avg height of a PF in 06 was something like 6'9 to 6'10...now it's something like 6'7 to 6'8

There were more quality big men back then compared to now

This current day style of play would've benefitted Mamba greatly

Back then PFs included
Sheed
KG
Dirk
Bosh
Gasol
Amare
Randolph
etc...

Every guy I listed was at least 6'9

 

[High quality poster]

I can't look it back up now thanks to that damn Stathead shyt, but there were over 100 forty-point games in 2006, the same as last year...yet people act like 2006 was tougher.

Yea, there were 100 forty point games but Kobe damn near had 20 of them, and 6 50 point games. He’d easily average 40 today. Obviously his mindset would have to be the same as it was back then.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The scenario clearly states with his 05-06 roster...and we know they were incapable of generating their own offense

The avg height of a PF in 06 was something like 6'9 to 6'10...now it's something like 6'7 to 6'8

There were more quality big men back then compared to now

This style of play would've benefitted Mamba greatly

So which one of Boozer, Diaw, Dirk, Martin, Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Randolph, West, Juwan Howard, and Rashard Lewis were preventing Kobe from getting to the rim?

There were only a few big time rim protectors at PF back then. Most of the Western Conference teams had scorers at PF, not rim protectors. The top three blocks guys in the NBA at power forward were Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, and Pau Gasol. You really think they were keeping Kobe's scoring totals down by themselves? When he was running through defensive lightweights like Diaw, Dirk, Boozer, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Lewis, and so on in his other games? Who cares if they were tall if they were unathletic and didn't play defense?

Back then PFs included
Sheed
KG
Dirk
Bosh
Gasol
Amare
Randolph
etc...

Every guy I listed was at least 6'9

Amare played center for the Suns that year, Diaw was their PF and he didn't protect the rim for shyt. Randoph couldn't jump over a sheet of paper and never protected the rim like that. Dirk was a terrible defender. Bosh and Sheed were both in the east so Kobe hardly faced them at all, nor were they monstrous rim protectors either in 2006.

Gasol and KG were the only great rim-protecting forwards on your list who Kobe faced more than twice that year. And that's hilarious cause Kobestans constantly call Gasol soft and downplay his defense

Yea, there were 100 forty point games but Kobe damn near had 20 of them, and 6 50 point games. He’d easily average 40 today. Obviously his mindset would have to be the same as it was back then.

Easily 40? So he'd shoot, what, 33-35 times a game?

In 2006, Kobe's 27.2 shots/game were only two more than 2nd place Iverson. In the 16 years since then, not a single player has averaged more than 25 shots/game. Last year Harden was the only guy in the entire league that took more than 21 shots/game....but y'all just assume Kobe would shoot well over 30. Why do y'all assume that Kobe would take far MORE shots now in an era where stars actually take fewer shots than they used to?


Last year, Trae's 8 fta/game was #2 in the NBA. In 2006, Arenas's 10 fta/game was just #6 in the league.

Harden's crazy 10.2 free throws/game in 2020....would have just been tied for 5th place in 2006. Y'all keep ignoring that.....

 

[Sccit]

So you think Arenas, the guy who only had three 20ppg seasons in his career, is a bigger scorer than Steph, Dame, and KD.....

2006 wasn't LeBron's prime at ALL. He was only 20yo and wasn't even close to the scoring ability he developed later. The only reason he scored so much in 2006 was because he played a ton of minutes and refs sent him to the free throw line a ton of times. If 2006 was such a tough year to score, then why did Bron average 31.6ppg in 2006, a total he never touched in his prime, or in this supposedly easy era when he has a much better shot?


There were 7 players who shot at least 700 free throws in 2006. Meanwhile, only ONE player shot over 700 free throws in any of the last three seasons.....James Harden.

Why is everyone ignoring that?

I THINK ARENAS IS DEFINITELY A BETTER SCORER THAN BEAL........

DONT FORGET, THESE PLAYERS WERENT PLAYING ON STACKED TEAMS LIKE A LOT OF THE STARS TODAY ARE. MEANING A BULK OF THE SCORING LOAD FELL UPON THEM, AS SCORING NUMBERS WERE LESS DISTRIBUTED

WHICH EXPLAINS WHY LEBRON SCORED SO MUCH .. NO ONE ELSE ON THE TEAM TO SHARE SCORING DUTIES WITH

 

[How Sway?]

definitely close to 40 if not more.

 

[KingJay]

If Beal is getting 35 Kobe is getting 40 at least imo

 

[High quality poster]

So which one of Boozer, Diaw, Dirk, Martin, Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Randolph, West, Juwan Howard, and Rashard Lewis were preventing Kobe from getting to the rim?

There were only a few big time rim protectors at PF back then. Most of the Western Conference teams had scorers at PF, not rim protectors. The top three blocks guys in the NBA at power forward were Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, and Pau Gasol. You really think they were keeping Kobe's scoring totals down by themselves? When he was running through defensive lightweights like Diaw, Dirk, Boozer, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Lewis, and so on in his other games? Who cares if they were tall if they were unathletic and didn't play defense?





Easily 40? So he'd shoot, what, 33-35 times a game?

In 2006, Kobe's 27.2 shots/game were only two more than 2nd place Iverson. In the 16 years since then, not a single player has averaged more than 25 shots/game. Last year Harden was the only guy in the entire league that took more than 21 shots/game....but y'all just assume Kobe would shoot well over 30. Why do y'all assume that Kobe would take far MORE shots now in an era where stars actually take fewer shots than they used to?

Im just assuming that with the emphasis on shooting threes, plus the pace, plus the lack of interior defense, plus freedom of movement, plus you gotta give the shooter space to shoot or else it’s an automatic foul mixed with; Kobes 2006 mindset which was to score as much as possible to get the lakers into the playoffs that he’d average way more than the 35 he was putting up.

Bradley Beal doesn’t have a fraction of Kobes scoring ability and that’s not stopping him from getting 35 a night.

 

[Controversy]

So which one of Boozer, Diaw, Dirk, Martin, Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Randolph, West, Juwan Howard, and Rashard Lewis were preventing Kobe from getting to the rim?

There were only a few big time rim protectors at PF back then. Most of the Western Conference teams had scorers at PF, not rim protectors. The top three blocks guys in the NBA at power forward were Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, and Pau Gasol. You really think they were keeping Kobe's scoring totals down by themselves? When he was running through defensive lightweights like Diaw, Dirk, Boozer, Abdur-Rahim, Murphy, Lewis, and so on in his other games? Who cares if they were tall if they were unathletic and didn't play defense?





Easily 40? So he'd shoot, what, 33-35 times a game?

In 2006, Kobe's 27.2 shots/game were only two more than 2nd place Iverson. In the 16 years since then, not a single player has averaged more than 25 shots/game. Last year Harden was the only guy in the entire league that took more than 21 shots/game....but y'all just assume Kobe would shoot well over 30. Why do y'all assume that Kobe would take far MORE shots now in an era where stars actually take fewer shots than they used to?

The NBA was a more balanced league back then. Funny thing is the guys you named would be small ball 5s in today's NBA

I mean Charlotte is playing PJ Washington at the 5 in some lineups, GS is playing Draymond at the 5 in some lineups, the Lakers play Harrell at the 5 in some lineups, the Raptors play Siakam at the 5 in some lineups

Kobe routinely had to go through trees to get buckets...I'm not implying every PF back then was a def stopper, but it's easier to score over a 6'7 PF than a 6'10 PF

Yes, Kobe would eat something crazy in this era. Look at how Lavine, Beal & Harden score effortlessly. Mamba would be good for 42 a night in this era. Defense is too soft, not enough size in the paint, the offensive flow of the game is free flowing, teams switch most PnR's...this league would be Kobe's for the taking