What would 2005-2006 Kobe average today with that same squad?

[FunkDoc1112]

Per 100 possessions is more reliable than flatly adjusting according to league-wide pacing, because teams can play at wildly different paces removed from the league-wide trends. For example, while Kobe's '06 team was actually above league average in pace in 06, MJ in '87 played on the absolute slowest team in the NBA. So like, if you put the '87 Bulls in the 2006 NBA season, their pace would've been 86.2, 4 possessions slower than the '06 Lakers.

'19 Rockets were the 4th slowest team in the NBA that year. If you put the '06 Lakers in the '19 NBA their pace would have been 100.4, good for 12th in the league.

Per 100 possessions adjust based on the individual player's TEAM'S pace as well as minutes played to equalize everything.

Since Basketball Reference had to be dikkheads and put the play index behind a paywall, I can't pull up a top ranked list, but:

'19 Harden: 48.2 PPG
'87 MJ: 46.4 PPG
'06 Kobe: 45.6 PPG

So accounting for pace and minutes played, Harden had the highest scoring season ever.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

You’re forgetting that Kobe was surrounded by 90% trash. He would’ve definitely played 40+ minutes.

But absolutely NOBODY plays 40 minutes a game anymore. Even players surrounded by garbage don't play more than 37 minutes. Nobody's even averaged 40 MPG in like 8 years.


'19 Harden's 36.8 MPG (3rd in the league) wouldn't have even been in the top 30 in 2006.

Correction: TEN years. Last player to do it was Monta Ellis in 2011.

 

[Swagnificent]

But absolutely NOBODY plays 40 minutes a game anymore. Even players surrounded by garbage don't play more than 37 minutes. Nobody's even averaged 40 MPG in like 8 years.


'19 Harden's 36.8 MPG (3rd in the league) wouldn't have even been in the top 30 in 2006.

Correction: TEN years. Last player to do it was Monta Ellis in 2011.

Guys also take games off now for load management. You think Kobe and Iverson would do that as well?

This is a p*ssy era of players. Stop thinking guys like Kobe would do what they do now. Kobe would play all 48 minutes if required to win.

 

[Swagnificent]

Per 100 possessions is more reliable than flatly adjusting according to league-wide pacing, because teams can play at wildly different paces removed from the league-wide trends. For example, while Kobe's '06 team was actually above league average in pace in 06, MJ in '87 played on the absolute slowest team in the NBA. So like, if you put the '87 Bulls in the 2006 NBA season, their pace would've been 86.2, 4 possessions slower than the '06 Lakers.

'19 Rockets were the 4th slowest team in the NBA that year. If you put the '06 Lakers in the '19 NBA their pace would have been 100.4, good for 12th in the league.

Per 100 possessions adjust based on the individual player's TEAM'S pace as well as minutes played to equalize everything.

Since Basketball Reference had to be dikkheads and put the play index behind a paywall, I can't pull up a top ranked list, but:

'19 Harden: 48.2 PPG
'87 MJ: 46.4 PPG
'06 Kobe: 45.6 PPG

So accounting for pace and minutes played, Harden had the highest scoring season ever.

Have you ever even played ball?

A faster pace leads to more fatigue for defenders leading to easier baskets. That's why just judging possessions doesn't work. Kobe's 100 possessions in 2006 ain't nothing like Harden's 100 possessions in 2019. Kobe's was significantly harder because the slower pace meant tougher defense.

There's a reasom chumps like Bradley Beal are averaging 35ppg now. Scoring is easier thanks to the faster pace.

 

[Reggie]

Are ya'll dumb or intentionally ignoring the pace adjusted stats that were just posted ahead of ya'll?

Kobe's 05-06 season is the HIGHEST SCORING SEASON in NBA HISTORY when you adjust for pace. He wouldn't be averaging 35ppg or what Harden did now that the league plays faster and shoots more 3s. He would average way more.

Minimum 45 PPG.

Who cares about adjusted stats though? No one is averaging 40 now and as great as Kobe was he aint getting damn near 50 a game either. Of course we will never know.

 

[killacal]

That's white boy for I don't like Kobe so here's my bullsh*t reason for denying the truth.

And nikkas dapped him

 

[seemorecizzy]

42 points minimum

 

[killacal]

And don't forget that Kobe and Odom both were playing about 41 minutes/game for that team. NO ONE plays that today. He'd automatically get his scoring knocked down 10% solely off the fact that he play at least 10% fewer minutes if not moreso.





That graphic doesn't factor in minutes. No way Kobe plays 41 minutes/game in this era.

You dug deep to make some shyt up to hate
Imagine kobe playing in a league with freedom of motion

Imagine him running 2 pick and rolls every play with just Shooters around him

Imagine not being able to touch him on drives

Imagine their being no big man to protect the rim on his drives


Imagine 10 to 15 3s attempted a game


I love how everyone ignores how scoring boomed when silver changed the rules of what the defense was allowed to do

 

[Gangstar8]

@Rhakim get lebron's nutz out your mouth and stop hating on everything kobe

 

[Lakerman0834]

The man out scored a team by himself. Cacs exposing themselves in this thread. Then # Kobe would have this era would be mind blowing. You have Bradley Beal putting up numbers this era and you trying to say Kobe won’t

 

[No1]

The man out scored a team by himself. Cacs exposing themselves in this thread. Then # Kobe would have this era would be mind blowing. You have Bradley Beal putting up numbers this era and you trying to say Kobe won’t

That’s what’s hilarious. Bradley is better at nothing than Kobe and he’s averaging 35. Dudes are nuts.

 

[darryl]

Iverson averaged like 33.0 a game that same season but its overlooked because how great Kobe's season was

 

[NormanConnors]

42-45, it wouldn't be on all 3 pointers either

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Guys also take games off now for load management. You think Kobe and Iverson would do that as well?

This is a p*ssy era of players. Stop thinking guys like Kobe would do what they do now. Kobe would play all 48 minutes if required to win.

Already expected this dumbass mythologizing bullshyt. Guys like Damian Lillard and James Harden never load manage and they still don't play 40 MPG. That's how coaches do things now, and the game is also more physically active on both ends with all of the movement (which is lowkey why ligament/tendon tears are more frequent) and playing guys 80s-00s minutes would run tem into the ground.

Kobe and AI played a lot of minutes but they're not morons like you, either, and will respect a coach's rotations outside of extreme situations. 41 minutes in 2006 is 37 minutes now, and that's just the way it is.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Have you ever even played ball?

A faster pace leads to more fatigue for defenders leading to easier baskets. That's why just judging possessions doesn't work. Kobe's 100 possessions in 2006 ain't nothing like Harden's 100 possessions in 2019. Kobe's was significantly harder because the slower pace meant tougher defense.

There's a reasom chumps like Bradley Beal are averaging 35ppg now. Scoring is easier thanks to the faster pace.

Bro, shut up with this gatekeeping "ONLY HOOPERS KNOW" bullshyt. I played played ball damn near every single day in college and played stupid hard on defense to overcompensate for lack of offense; of course I know how exhausting it is.

I just don't cling to my era and mythologize like you. Surprised you haven't accused me of being white yet