What The Hell Is Going On In Ukraine?
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It's bullshyt cause you can't debate it or debunk it.
1. Oh please dude...save that "They don't know what freedom is" crap at the door. What do you know about Ukraine? They claimed to know freedom 9 years ago with the "Orange Revolution" with the U.S. Backed President...now they were fed lies, what makes it different now? Oppositions from all sides are paid by the U.S. and it's Allies.... the examples are there from the Egypt Unrest by toppling Morsi.
2. The bankers role would bankrupt Ukraine into a debt country under the E.U. worse idea ever.
3. Both Sides want control of the region but will do anything for it to happen.....don't be blind.
Larry Lobster
/-_-\
Are they already blaming immigrants?
88m3
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Ukraine unrest: Nato condemns crackdown on protesters
The BBC's Daniel Sandford: "The debate inside parliament was fierce and noisy too"
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Ukraine's protests
US Secretary of State John Kerry urged Ukraine to "listen to the voices of its people".
Earlier, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov apologised in parliament for the use of police force against protesters.
Mass protests were sparked by the government's decision not to sign an association deal with the EU last week.
Thousands demonstrated outside the parliament building in Kiev on Tuesday, with protests in the city once again continuing into the evening.
"We urge all sides to conduct themselves peacefully. Violence has no place in a modern European state," Mr Kerry told reporters.
The ministers said in a statement that they urged "Ukraine... to fully abide by its international commitments and to uphold the freedom of expression and assembly".
"We urge the government and the opposition to engage in dialogue and launch a reform process," they added.
'Coup' scenario
Earlier on Tuesday, the Ukrainian parliament rejected an attempt to force the resignation of the government.
The opposition tabled the motion of no-confidence, which was defeated.
Before parliament voted on the motion, Mr Azarov addressed an emergency session:
"On behalf of our government, I would like to apologise for the actions of our law enforcement authorities on Maidan [Independence Square]," he said, referring to violence at the weekend. "The president and the government deeply regret that this happened."
Protesters were still out in force in Kiev on Tuesday evening
Speaking above boos by opposition deputies in parliament, the prime minister called for protests outside the government buildings in Kiev to end, and appealed for Ukrainians not to return to the unrest of the Orange Revolution of 2004.
"We reach out our hand to you. Push away the plotters, the plotters seeking power and who are trying to repeat the scenario of 2004," he said.
Later he said the government was ready for dialogue with protesters but that they must "stop occupying government buildings and interfering with the work of the government administration".
On Monday, Mr Azarov had said he saw "all the signs of a coup" as protests intensified.
He said the government was aware of plans to seize the parliament building.
Demonstrators are demanding the resignation of Mr Azarov and President Viktor Yanukovych, and have called for a general strike.
'Provocateur' claims
Mr Yanukovych - who has gone ahead with a planned visit to China - has warned that the rallies should only be peaceful after violence at the weekend.
The main opposition leaders have condemned the violence, saying it was the work of "provocateurs".
The newspaper Ukrainska Pravda published a series of videos and photographs which it says backs up the claims.
The images appear to show a group of young men wearing masks and helmets pushing against police lines in front of the presidential building. Soon afterwards several are seen beckoning to others in the crowd and then passing through the blockade, without resistance from officers.
At least one of the men is also pictured standing uninterrupted behind the riot police.
A series of pictures showed a man in a purple jacket both pushing against officers and standing behind police lines
In another development, on Monday Mr Yanukovych asked the European Commission to allow him to send a delegation for talks on "some aspects" of the EU association agreement that Ukraine had been expected to sign, officials in Brussels said.
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Viktor Yanukovych
The protests began just over a week ago after a halt was ordered to preparations to sign a deal on closer integration with the EU.
Hundreds of people put up tents on Independence Square on Sunday night, after a mass rally that drew hundreds of thousands, amid calls for a general strike.
The headquarters of the cabinet has been blockaded, with government employees unable to reach work.
Police reinforcements are being sent to Kiev, Ukrainska Pravda reported.
For his part, President Yanukovych urged police and demonstrators to observe the law.
"Any bad peace is better than a good war," Mr Yanukovych said in a TV interview reported by his own website - his first comments on Sunday's violence.
President Vladimir Putin of neighbouring Russia blamed "outside actors" for events in Ukraine, saying they seemed "more like a rampage than a revolution."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25206058
The BBC's Daniel Sandford: "The debate inside parliament was fierce and noisy too"
Continue reading the main story
Ukraine's protests
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- Profile: President Yanukovych
US Secretary of State John Kerry urged Ukraine to "listen to the voices of its people".
Earlier, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov apologised in parliament for the use of police force against protesters.
Mass protests were sparked by the government's decision not to sign an association deal with the EU last week.
Thousands demonstrated outside the parliament building in Kiev on Tuesday, with protests in the city once again continuing into the evening.
"We urge all sides to conduct themselves peacefully. Violence has no place in a modern European state," Mr Kerry told reporters.
The ministers said in a statement that they urged "Ukraine... to fully abide by its international commitments and to uphold the freedom of expression and assembly".
"We urge the government and the opposition to engage in dialogue and launch a reform process," they added.
'Coup' scenario
Earlier on Tuesday, the Ukrainian parliament rejected an attempt to force the resignation of the government.
The opposition tabled the motion of no-confidence, which was defeated.
Before parliament voted on the motion, Mr Azarov addressed an emergency session:
"On behalf of our government, I would like to apologise for the actions of our law enforcement authorities on Maidan [Independence Square]," he said, referring to violence at the weekend. "The president and the government deeply regret that this happened."
Speaking above boos by opposition deputies in parliament, the prime minister called for protests outside the government buildings in Kiev to end, and appealed for Ukrainians not to return to the unrest of the Orange Revolution of 2004.
"We reach out our hand to you. Push away the plotters, the plotters seeking power and who are trying to repeat the scenario of 2004," he said.
Later he said the government was ready for dialogue with protesters but that they must "stop occupying government buildings and interfering with the work of the government administration".
On Monday, Mr Azarov had said he saw "all the signs of a coup" as protests intensified.
He said the government was aware of plans to seize the parliament building.
Demonstrators are demanding the resignation of Mr Azarov and President Viktor Yanukovych, and have called for a general strike.
'Provocateur' claims
Mr Yanukovych - who has gone ahead with a planned visit to China - has warned that the rallies should only be peaceful after violence at the weekend.
The main opposition leaders have condemned the violence, saying it was the work of "provocateurs".
The newspaper Ukrainska Pravda published a series of videos and photographs which it says backs up the claims.
The images appear to show a group of young men wearing masks and helmets pushing against police lines in front of the presidential building. Soon afterwards several are seen beckoning to others in the crowd and then passing through the blockade, without resistance from officers.
At least one of the men is also pictured standing uninterrupted behind the riot police.
In another development, on Monday Mr Yanukovych asked the European Commission to allow him to send a delegation for talks on "some aspects" of the EU association agreement that Ukraine had been expected to sign, officials in Brussels said.
Continue reading the main story
Viktor Yanukovych
- Born into family of a metalworker and a nurse in July 1950
- Began career as transport executive in coal-mining industry in Soviet era.
- Later served as governor of Donetsk region - country's economic powerhouse and home to more than three million people
- Appointed prime minister in November 2002
- Ousted from power by the 2004 Orange Revolution, but returned as PM in 2006-07 and won presidential election in 2010
The protests began just over a week ago after a halt was ordered to preparations to sign a deal on closer integration with the EU.
Hundreds of people put up tents on Independence Square on Sunday night, after a mass rally that drew hundreds of thousands, amid calls for a general strike.
The headquarters of the cabinet has been blockaded, with government employees unable to reach work.
Police reinforcements are being sent to Kiev, Ukrainska Pravda reported.
For his part, President Yanukovych urged police and demonstrators to observe the law.
"Any bad peace is better than a good war," Mr Yanukovych said in a TV interview reported by his own website - his first comments on Sunday's violence.
President Vladimir Putin of neighbouring Russia blamed "outside actors" for events in Ukraine, saying they seemed "more like a rampage than a revolution."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25206058
Tommy Knocks
retired
PAWGINShes probably gettin tossed up now that shes in prison.
Not but really they want to join the EU so bad, yet the EU actually dont want them.
Insist on going where you arent wanted breh.
(least the Turks have some damn pride)
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
PAWGIN
Not but really they want to join the EU so bad, yet the EU actually dont want them.
Insist on going where you arent wanted breh.
(least the Turks have some damn pride)
I don't think you understand the issue, breh...
Calm down breh. Pick your poison broke as Russia or Bankers for years creating money from nowhere. The EU won't fail this was just a wake up call to the countries involve showing who the real bosses are.
Sad to say.
Tommy Knocks
retired
Actually I do. When I said EU, I meant the citizens.
PAWGIN
Not but really they want to join the EU so bad, yet the EU actually dont want them.
Insist on going where you arent wanted breh.
(least the Turks have some damn pride)
She a cougar too. Husband 20 years younger. I bag.
its about what the legislature wants, any countries that the west can get out of the Russian sphere of influence is a win for the west in the eyes of the leadership.
Tommy Knocks
retired
true, but in the heart of the people, its a loss, just look how Germany has to cover for Poland and Greece. Its a shame. Its like the U.S picking up for Mexico aka NAFTA.
true, but in the heart of the people, its a loss, just look how Germany has to cover for Poland and Greece. Its a shame. Its like the U.S picking up for Mexico aka NAFTA.
the price of geopolitics breh, not to mention Europe is even more xenophobic than the U.S. we tolerate Mexicans here to a certain extent even trying to reform immigration to make the whole thing mutually beneficial. Europe...my god the things i've seen on Eastern European immigrants in Italy or African immigrants in Spain or France...its truly demonic. So i don't know how much "the people" really do or don't want Ukraine in the EU or if its just their ultra fundamentalists making alot of noise.
true, but in the heart of the people, its a loss, just look how Germany has to cover for Poland and Greece. Its a shame. Its like the U.S picking up for Mexico aka NAFTA.
its not really like that, ukraine wasnt joining the EU, this was just a trade agreement with the EU