What is the exact PROOF that Lebron is a better "all-round" player than Jordan? Stats say otherwise

[Professor Emeritus]

The only thing lebron is truly better at than mj is passing, (assists and ability to distribute in traffic and on the fly).

Maybe three point shooting, but its a different game now than in the 90s.

Every things else lebron does better is by virtue of his size.

So LeBron is "only" better than MJ at passing, distributing, 3pt shooting, and everything that has to do with size (rebounding, defending bigs, protecting the rim, etc.)

I ain't got reason to argue that.

 

[acbjr22]

Wrong. Imagine getting a 100M deal at age 18; most people would probably mail it in. He’s still a top 3 player 18 years after that contract.


So if Bron didn’t have a huge love for the game, he would’ve been Darius Miles status by now. But he clearly loves basketball to death. You are confusing passion for the game with method.

“Bron is the most disciplined player of all time”

that’s a Draymond Green quote

I'm not saying that he doesn't have a drive or that he doesn't work hard. He clearly does, plus he is a physical freak. I'm saying that there is a difference between working hard and having the kind of obsession and competitive nature that MJ had

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Scottie Pippen was considered the best all-around player when Jordan was playing, but no one considered him better than Jordan.

 

[Cladyclad]

I’m sick of beating around the bush. Lebron is the best basketball player ever. And in 20 years it’s probably gon be someone built like Greek, handle like Kyrie, and a jumper in the ball park of curry. Evolution is real

 

[Peruvian Connect]

I’m sick of beating around the bush. Lebron is the best basketball player ever.

Based on what though?

 

[Cladyclad]

Based on what though?

My eyes

 

[Peruvian Connect]

My eyes

you can use my vision insurance if you want

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Mike faced hard fouls

I’m sick of beating around the bush. Lebron is the best basketball player ever. And in 20 years it’s probably gon be someone built like Greek, handle like Kyrie, and a jumper in the ball park of curry. Evolution is real

KD never joins the Warriors/Bron 3peats and things are spooky around here


He had to make that move tho

 

[ISO]

Those of you who saw Bulls Jordan play, please explain to me what made him a better defender? And point me to the video that shows Mike as a demonstrably greater defensive player?

I know this board likes to pretend that LeBron wasn't one of the greatest superstar wing defenders ever, but there's nothing I've seen, nor do the numbers support, Mike as a demonstrably greater defensive player, so my thought us that its marginal. I'm open to any link to support Mike as just unequivocally better on that end, for those of us who didn't see Bulls Mike...

DRtg
97: 2012 LeBron
99: 2009 LeBron
100: 1998 Mike/1996 Mike vs 2007 LeBron
101: 1988 Mike vs 2013 LeBron
102: 1997 Mike/1993 Mike/1992 Mike/1991 Mike vs 2011 LeBron/2010 LeBron

Mike 7-6, with two peak seasons being LeBron's...

Playoff DRtg
99: 2015 LeBron/2008 LeBron/2012 LeBron/2007 LeBron
100: 2009 LeBron/2016 LeBron
101: 1997 Mike/1992 Mike/1991 Mike vs 2013 LeBron
102: 1990 Mike vs 2011 LeBron

8-4 LeBron with the six highest peak DRtg's...

Career DRtg
Mike 103 (104 playoffs)
LeBron 104 (102 playoffs)

DWS
6.5: 2009 LeBron
6.2: 1996 Mike
6.1: 1988 Mike
5.7: 2007 LeBron
5.6: 1992 Mike
5.4: 1991 Mike/1998 Mike
5.3: 2011 LeBron
5.2: 1989 Mike/1993 Mike
5.0: 1987 Mike/1997 Mike

Mike 9-3, but LeBron's '09 peak higher than Mike's '88 DPOY...

Playoff DWS
1.7: 1992 Mike
1.6: 2007 LeBron/2012 LeBron
1.5: 1991 Mike/1997 Mike vs 2013 LeBron/2015 LeBron/2016 LeBron
1.4: 2011 LeBron
1.3: 1990 Mike/1996 Mike
1.2: 1989 Mike/1998 Mike vs 2008 LeBron

Top 14 playoff DWS between the two, 7-7 apiece...

Career DWS
LeBron 70.4 (15.9)*
Mike 64.1 (12.4 playoffs)

*thru 15 years like Mike, LeBron was 64.4...

I find it funny how nobody responded to this or my post where I linked videos on LeBron's defense...

@viktordoomsecretwars is so W.O.A.T. dude literally gets all his talking points off the extremely biased "Nobody Touches Jordan" blog site he either is him or literally just takes everything on the blog as gospel. Everything from the Jordan slobbing to saying shyt like Kevin Johnson is better than Chris Paul is on there. It seems like everything this guy learned about basketball comes from there.

 

[Pack2]

Mike faced hard fouls

KD never joins the Warriors/Bron 3peats and things are spooky around here


He had to make that move tho

now we making up scenarios

If KD doesn't join GS, Lebron now somehow 3 peats ...guess what, KD DID join GS and was the best player on the floor during both series so yeah things did get spooky around here. Spooky enough to make you resort to some what if bullshyt to somehow level the playing field

And at that "when the playing field was even" shyt...now OKC had the talent that Miami had all of a sudden...Lebron literally began tipping the scales by going to MIA but now HE needs the level playing field. Unbelievable SMH

 

[ISO]

And at that "when the playing field was even" shyt...now OKC had the talent that Miami had all of a sudden...unbelievable SMH

Yeah. OKC was a perennial 55-60 win team when LeBron was in Miami/Cleveland.

 

[Pack2]

Yeah. OKC was a perennial 55-60 win team when LeBron was in Miami/Cleveland.

so one 60 win season is now the measuring stick...yeah what a dynasty they were

 

[Blurneed]

so one 60 win season is now the measuring stick...yeah what a dynasty they were

Lebron formed a superteam that the whole world including legends thought was unfair. KD witnessed first hand that the "best player in the league" defeated him with a superteam while he struggled with low IQ Russ. He witnessed first hand how Lebron got all the credit despite these facts and how it elevated Lebron while simultaneously diminishing his own status unfairly. He certainly never forgot, hence his move to the Warriors.

 

[ISO]

so one 60 win season is now the measuring stick...yeah what a dynasty they were

Miami had one 66 win season is that the measuring stick?

KD had a squad he played with Russell, Ibaka, Harden, Steven Adams, Reggie Jackson, Jeff Green always kept some solid role players Kevin Martin, Derek Fisher, Thabo Sefolosha, Caron Butler, etc. The teams wasn't perfect and management made some errors but don't do that OKC was a perennial contender in that time frame and could have easily won a title.

He lost in the Finals to LeBron in 2012 and then he could have met him in the Finals in 2016 but choked a 3-1 series lead.

 

[Pack2]

Miami had one 66 win season is that the measuring stick?

KD had a squad he played with Russell, Ibaka, Harden, Steven Adams, Reggie Jackson, Jeff Green always kept some solid role players Kevin Martin, Derek Fisher, Thabo Sefolosha, Caron Butler, etc. The teams wasn't perfect and management made some errors but don't do that OKC was a perennial contender in that time frame and could have easily won a title.

He lost in the Finals to LeBron in 2012 and then he could have met him in the Finals in 2016 but choked a 3-1 series lead.

So you think the OKC teams were as talented as the Miami teams and it was a level playing field?