What if Ryback goes over?

[Jmare007]

I think Punk is established enough and has the promo ability to be booked as the "coward" champion. He has won cleanly enough times against pretty much the entire roster were I don't see much harm in booking him right now as a chickenshyt heel who thinks he's legit.

At this point, Ryback needs to be protected more than him.

 

[OmegaK2099]

maybe he could win the title than lose it the following night on raw like kane

 

[TrueEpic08]

I think Punk is established enough and has the promo ability to be booked as the "coward" champion. He has won cleanly enough times against pretty much the entire roster were I don't see much harm in booking him right now as a chickenshyt heel who thinks he's legit.

At this point, Ryback needs to be protected more than him.

Normally, I would agree with this. And honestly, Punk's probably the one guy that's most suited for playing the overdone chickenshyt trope well. I just think that the way that they've booked this whole Punk/Cena feud since the end of August has done such a number not so much on him, but on the credibility of his reign due to the fact that four or five legends have come out and invalidated the first 8-9 months of it (not to mention that Cena just got a visual pin on him at Night of Champions), that he really, really needs to win here to make sure that he doesn't start to look like a joke.

As long as you don't start booking Ryback as human (i.e., make this his only loss until at least WrestleMania, have him run through dudes and, if he's ready, have him win the belt with that one loss on his record, so you have a ready made feud with Punk and he can get his win back), and you make it so that it takes a mind-boggling amount of punishment to fell him, he'll be protected. I'm not a fan of eroding the credibility of one guy who needs to keep it intact in order to keep the credibility of another guy who needs it intact. You can do both if you're smart about it.

(Which is why I think they're going to do the Hell in a Cell I finish: They'll want to keep him as chickenshyt as possible while giving him a pin and protect Ryback's monster aura at the same time. Not the most optimal way, but I'm not booking, WWE is.)

 

[Kang Deezy]

Alright, here goes nothing;

Brock attacks Ryback at the start of the match. Ryback ends up not wrestling and Cena comes down and volunteers to take his place. Brock then comes back out later and attacks Cena as well, helping Punk win. Ryback runs down to help clear house with Cena setting up Punk/Brock vs. Ryback/Cena at Survivor Series.

I'll be getting this pay per view either way.

 

[soulytrack]

No one has to lose. It's No DQ.

It's not complicated. Punk manages to run away with Paul in a limo. No contest.

Punk's a chicken shyt heel and gets to keep counting the days, Ryback's still undefeated.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

IF HE WINS IM fukkING DONE UNTIL RKO GETS THE STRAP BACK

 

[JMurder]

his promos are like a really watered down shawn michaels. Give me Cena as champ

areyouaskingmeforsomered????



Give me watered down michaels anyday

 

[DANJ!]

Either Punk retains via Lesnar interference (which is very possible given Survivor Series coming up) or it's a no-contest with Punk escaping with the title.

I think Ryback's getting that title sometime soon but this is just the beginning of that push. If they can build it up a lil' more, I'd say they let him look good in this match, win at Survivor Series, win the Rumble, then head to Mania as challenger for the title. Punk drops title to Cena, Cena goes over Rock at the Rumble due to Punk interference... which sets up Rock/Punk at Mania, and leaves Ryback to hallenge and defeat Cena for the title at Mania.

 

[TheBigBopper]

I think Punk is established enough and has the promo ability to be booked as the "coward" champion. He has won cleanly enough times against pretty much the entire roster were I don't see much harm in booking him right now as a chickenshyt heel who thinks he's legit.

At this point, Ryback needs to be protected more than him.

I agree with this. Either Ryback is going to lose to interference, or Punk will injure Ryback before HIAC, predisposing Ryback to an unfair loss that can still protect him.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

The altar of John Cena?

You just said that Cena hasn't beaten him in 14 months. So what is being sacrificed?

You all are quick to call Sheamus a paper champion and would be heeing and hawing if he got called out for it. But Punk has had an even longer reign with much of it being totally forgettable. None of that was Cena's fault. They used real life perception and turned it into a storyline. Punk turned heel which you guys looooooooove and Cena is stepping aside for Ryback and put him over the top on RAW. Of course Cena is going to be reinserted into the title picture eventually, for better or worse he's the face of the company. Just be happy that Cena has pretty much been out of contention for the title for nearly a year and every time he did face Punk he was soundly beaten.

Punk has had a pretty dominant reign right up to the heel turn and WWE seems to only have four heel types; monster, cocky, coward and comedic. He wouldn't fit the monster mold so what else can he do?

When he squeaks out of the cell with his title the heat on him will be huge. He doesn't need to beat Ryback. His character isn't the never give up like Cena. His is the keep the title by any means necessary coward. If he beats Ryback then you may as well Tensai him.

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[TrueEpic08]

The altar of John Cena?

You just said that Cena hasn't beaten him in 14 months. So what is being sacrificed?

You all are quick to call Sheamus a paper champion and would be heeing and hawing if he got called out for it. But Punk has had an even longer reign with much of it being totally forgettable. None of that was Cena's fault. They used real life perception and turned it into a storyline. Punk turned heel which you guys looooooooove and Cena is stepping aside for Ryback and put him over the top on RAW. Of course Cena is going to be reinserted into the title picture eventually, for better or worse he's the face of the company. Just be happy that Cena has pretty much been out of contention for the title for nearly a year and every time he did face Punk he was soundly beaten.

Punk has had a pretty dominant reign right up to the heel turn and WWE seems to only have four heel types; monster, cocky, coward and comedic. He wouldn't fit the monster mold so what else can he do?

When he squeaks out of the cell with his title the heat on him will be huge. He doesn't need to beat Ryback. His character isn't the never give up like Cena. His is the keep the title by any means necessary coward. If he beats Ryback then you may as well Tensai him.

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So you're going to deny that the Foley promo, the Jim Ross promo and others telling him to "cement his legacy" by beating Cena didn't happen?

Oh yeah, and by taking up what I said about Cena not beating him in 14 months, then going right around and saying that they're taking real-life perception about Punk's "dominant" reign as champion and its meaninglessness and making it into storyline, you simultaneously encapsulate and miss my point. That is the exact reason why he needs to win at Hell in a Cell: Because they've taken on that perception as fact and it just gets reinforced if Punk's beaten, which gives his credibility a tremendous blow that he really doesn't need right now. Maybe you'd see this if you weren't so adamant about keeping up this lame anti-IWC gimmick all the time.

And notice what I said about beating Ryback. I never advocated just beating him, because that would be beyond stupid. You'd have to beat him in utterly spectacular fashion, in a way that shows him to be the monster that he's been built up as so he doesn't lose his credibility. If you really think that a loss will kill him that badly, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event to begin with.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

So you're going to deny that the Foley promo, the Jim Ross promo and others telling him to "cement his legacy" by beating Cena didn't happen?

Cena's the face of the comapny. Beating THE GUY five times in a row while at the same time having a year long title reign WOULD cement his legacy. You just don't like Cena.

Oh yeah, and by taking up what I said about Cena not beating him in 14 months, then going right around and saying that they're taking real-life perception about Punk's "dominant" reign as champion and its meaninglessness and making it into storyline, you simultaneously encapsulate and miss my point. That is the exact reason why he needs to win at Hell in a Cell: Because they've taken on that perception as fact and it just gets reinforced if Punk's beaten, which gives his credibility a tremendous blow that he really doesn't need right now.

It's not real, damnit. This is the same company that has torn down and rebuilt guys like Mark Henry and Big Show a dozen times. Punk hasn't suffered a "tremendous blow" at all. You just dislike John Cena. This is all it comes down to in a lot of these net arguments. The dislike of John Cena. As I've said before; if Sheamus' reign as a paper champ was brought up, you guys would be kicking and cooing like breast fed babies. As I've already stated, Punk's mostly unremarkable reign has nothing to do with John Cena. He's dominated but, like Sheamus, most of it was so yes, ONCE AGAIN, to cement his legacy and cap off a year long run, beating Cena FIVE TIMES would put him over the top as one of the most dominant WWE champions in recent years. Stop fukking whining all the time and THINK.

Maybe you'd see this if you weren't so adamant about keeping up this lame anti-IWC gimmick all the time.

Anyone who doesn't ride the pine of the latest heel fling is anti-IWC I bring a difference of opinion to this board. A breath of fresh air from the lame as fukk Cena jokes and Daniel Bryan bukaki sessions.

And notice what I said about beating Ryback. I never advocated just beating him, because that would be beyond stupid. You'd have to beat him in utterly spectacular fashion, in a way that shows him to be the monster that he's been built up as so he doesn't lose his credibility. If you really think that a loss will kill him that badly, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event to begin with.

So basically, you want the best built up face in years to suffer the same fate as Brock Lesnar? A fate you all bytched endlessly about because Cena dared to fukking speak after the match. But see, that made sense as Lesnar was a heel and Cena had been embarrassed day in and day out and murdered throughout the match and "overcame the odds" which is what he does. Punk has been booked as a SOMEWHAT chickenshyt heel (you all act like he's Honky Tonk Man ) and you want him to beat Ryback? Either scenario has Ryback looking like a chump. If Punk manages a fluke victory, Ryback just couldn't get it done, and isn't ready to tangle with the big boys. He's human now. If Punk dishes out "a ton of punishment" to defeat Ryback then it shows that a "cowardly" heel can dominate a face and wear him down and beat him. Mystique in the You all are worse than WWE creative. You think you know all the right moves and just embarrass yourselves. My parody spoilers are better than the shyt you all come up with.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Guys, don't forget, this is Hell in a Cell. I know this is the PG+ era, but you have a lot more leeway in protecting somebody in a loss than you do in regular matches.

Let me put it in very stark terms: All of you are looking at this backwards by trying to look at months of booking, when really it's the last month and a half that matters. What's happened in that last month and a half? Ryback has more momentum than ever, while Punk has continually been made to look like a charlatan, a coward and a pissant whose accomplishments since Money in the Bank 2011 have been sacrificed at the altar of John Cena for an asinine storyline in which Punk weirdly has to cement his legacy against a guy that hasn't beaten him in 14 months.

What I'm saying is this: Punk absolutely needs to win this match because his very credibility as a main eventer has been put on the line. Ryback has so much momentum that as long as he isn't made to look like a normal human being, he'll retain his monster credibility. If Punk loses, then all of the dumbass speeches we've heard over the past few weeks that are dead wrong on their face are suddenly proven right, and that's a far worse scenario for Punk than people realize.

So I think one of two things is going to happen: The best thing that could happen to Punk is that Ryback bulldozes, Punk dodges and is beaten from pillar to post intermittently, then shows some grit and beats Ryback after he takes an unholy amount of punishment. That retains Ryback's cred while keeping Punk's for the inevitable matchup vs. Cena at Survivor Series (Because you know this is going to happen). The worst thing that could happen is a repeat of Bad Blood 1997, with Punk getting killed and being bailed out by Lesnar in the Kane role. This is because of the fact that, yeah Punk won, but he looked like a complete coward in doing so. This won't work because, unlike Shawn, the entire direction of his character and the build to this match has been directed toward making Punk look like a paper champion. Reinforcing that in a win just seems stupid to me going toward a match with The Rock.

You know they'll do the second one if he wins, though. Gotta have something for Cena to latch onto in the build.

Exactly they booked themselves into a corner but the championship is more important than any ryback streak. He has to lose at some point, cut promos and sell for long matches to be champ . He's barely done any of the last 2

 

[DANJ!]

So you're going to deny that the Foley promo, the Jim Ross promo and others telling him to "cement his legacy" by beating Cena didn't happen?

Oh yeah, and by taking up what I said about Cena not beating him in 14 months, then going right around and saying that they're taking real-life perception about Punk's "dominant" reign as champion and its meaninglessness and making it into storyline, you simultaneously encapsulate and miss my point. That is the exact reason why he needs to win at Hell in a Cell: Because they've taken on that perception as fact and it just gets reinforced if Punk's beaten, which gives his credibility a tremendous blow that he really doesn't need right now. Maybe you'd see this if you weren't so adamant about keeping up this lame anti-IWC gimmick all the time.

And notice what I said about beating Ryback. I never advocated just beating him, because that would be beyond stupid. You'd have to beat him in utterly spectacular fashion, in a way that shows him to be the monster that he's been built up as so he doesn't lose his credibility. If you really think that a loss will kill him that badly, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event to begin with.

Punk beating Ryback in any fashion would put a stop to everything they have going with him. He's being booked as unstoppable... if he gets stopped (ESPECIALLY due to some extreme massive beatdown at the hands of CM Punk), then that's it. I'm not saying he becomes Brodus Clay, or that he'll never have a chance to do anything notable ever again... but right now is not the time for him to take a high-profile loss.

I don't know that WWE booked themselves into a corner, moreso than Cena got injured and isn't ready to get in the ring in two weeks, so they had to improvise. The only others over enough to main event a PPV right now is D. Bryan and Kane, and they already did that earlier this year, so Ryback was really the only or best option left. Who else could've replaced Cena up against Punk in a Hell In A Cell match for the title... Kofi?

But as has been said, Punk escapes and runs away, leading to a no-contest. That's the best idea there is. Any other one is a bad idea... Ryback wins title too soon or Punk beats Ryback and kills the guy's buildup. Neither sounds like the way to go.

Punk not winning isn't gonna make him look like a joke... he's been champ for a year, AND he's a heel who's recently been playing the role of someone who takes the easiest way out just to keep his title. It would make perfect sense that he'd run out on a match against someone who's destroyed everyone.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Punk beating Ryback in any fashion would put a stop to everything they have going with him. He's being booked as unstoppable... if he gets stopped (ESPECIALLY due to some extreme massive beatdown at the hands of CM Punk), then that's it. I'm not saying he becomes Brodus Clay, or that he'll never have a chance to do anything notable ever again... but right now is not the time for him to take a high-profile loss.

I don't know that WWE booked themselves into a corner, moreso than Cena got injured and isn't ready to get in the ring in two weeks, so they had to improvise. The only others over enough to main event a PPV right now is D. Bryan and Kane, and they already did that earlier this year, so Ryback was really the only or best option left. Who else could've replaced Cena up against Punk in a Hell In A Cell match for the title... Kofi?

But as has been said, Punk escapes and runs away, leading to a no-contest. That's the best idea there is. Any other one is a bad idea... Ryback wins title too soon or Punk beats Ryback and kills the guy's buildup. Neither sounds like the way to go.

Punk not winning isn't gonna make him look like a joke... he's been champ for a year, AND he's a heel who's recently been playing the role of someone who takes the easiest way out just to keep his title. It would make perfect sense that he'd run out on a match against someone who's destroyed everyone.

Bu bu bu bu but the title. Bu bu bu bu but John Cena

It's not rocket science; Punk running out on Ryback would put so much heat on him because now that people are finally on board with the heel turn, they WANT to see him get his ass kicked and dominated. Being robbed of seeing that would make them and Ryback would have even more momentum because now you have the WWE champion going and you're hungrier than ever now.