What does actual police reform look like?

[Json]

Politicians, Presidents, Police Dept., civilians and Etc. have been talking about police reform since 1994 and nothing has changed. Police reform is an old trick that is nothing but empty words.

Justice Department Releases Report on Civil Rights Division’s Pattern and Practice Police Reform Work

The Justice Department released a comprehensive report today that provides an overview of the Civil Rights Division’s police reform work under Section 14141 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.

The report, “The Civil Rights Division’s Pattern and Practice Police Reform Work: 1994-Present,” is designed to serve as a resource for local law enforcement agencies and communities by making the division’s police reform work more accessible and transparent. It examines a range of topics, including the history and purpose of Section 14141, initiation and methodology of pattern-or-practice investigations, negotiation of reform agreements, the current reform model and its rationale, conclusion of agreements and the impact of pattern-or-practice enforcement on police reform and community-police trust. To supplement the report, the division also published an interactive Police Reform Finder, which allows users to search how reform agreements have addressed specific kinds of policing issues.

“Over the years, countless law enforcement officials and community members have requested additional information about the Civil Rights Division’s policing work,” said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of the Civil Rights Division. “We hope stakeholders find our report and interactive tool useful in our collective efforts to advance constitutional policing, strengthen police-community trust and promote officer and public safety.”

Since 2009, the Civil Rights Division has opened 25 investigations into law enforcement agencies and is currently enforcing 19 agreements, including 14 consent decrees and one post-judgment order.

Via: Justice Department Releases Report on Civil Rights Division’s Pattern and Practice Police Reform Work
Via PDF of the Report: https://www.justice.gov/crt/file/922421/download

They aren’t going to get a national movement.The GOP would just sabotage it.

Liberal cities/states are basically going to have to be the guinea pigs to show how it could work.




My main hope is to break up the duties of a police officer. A mental health officer with a year of training. Same with social worker/domestic violence officers.

The Dylan Roof/ DC Sniper should be a smaller division with more training to weed out the white supremacist.

 

[Rawtid]

good article

i dont know what they replace them with, it doesnt say in the article. but it would be good to see them try

They are replaced by other resources and services. For instance, Minneapolis sends the fire department/ambulance to handle opioid calls. Makes sense, right? What do you need the cops there for to potentially taint the scene. l think police should be the next level of defense, say a situation heightens or additional resources are needed and they should be briefed in advance who the victims/problematic parties are. That way they won't make that determination on their own because that's how simple welfare checks turn into death. Most police are not equipped with the training or temperament to mediate situations, which is why they usually exacerbate when they arrive. Like how traffic stops turn into jail time and ultimately death.

 

[the cac mamba]

They are replaced by other resources and services. For instance, Minneapolis sends the fire department/ambulance to handle opioid calls. Makes sense, right? What do you need the cops there for to potentially taint the scene. l think police should be the next level of defense, say a situation heightens or additional resources are needed and they should be briefed in advance who the victims/problematic parties are. That way they won't make that determination on their own because that's how simple welfare checks turn into death. Most police are not equipped with the training or temperament to mediate situations, which is why they usually exacerbate when they arrive. Like how traffic stops turn into jail time and ultimately death.

makes sense to me

if they can really get these fukkin pigs out of here and reduce their influence im all for it

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

- Settlements paid out from union dues/private insurance policies/pension funds.

This is spicy as fucck. I like this one and the civilian review board.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

Slash their budget significantly and divert those funds to education, social work and mental health. Allocate much of their work to other workers like security guards and social workers.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[hashmander]

i'm just so fed up with these police unions that i'm willing for public unions to be illegal in america just so those fukkers can't have the protections of a union.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[the next guy]

all of this

You don't even need to massively cut police budgets. These policies, plus modest budget cuts, will significantly reduce the current force and lower applications. Becoming a police officer should no longer be a job for burnouts and losers. If you want to be a police officer it should be because you want to serve/protect your community. Not because you're too dumb to sell insurance and are tired of working construction.

(BTW the Supreme Court created qualified immunity. Another reason that voting for PRESIDENT matters - as well as demanding presidential candidates commit to judges who are at least open to shyt canning the legal precedent for it).

Of course none of this addresses the bigger problem of judges and prosecutors who have incentivized the protection of police, as well as over zealous conviction rates on non-violent crimes. How do you get rid of them? I'd look to San Francisco's attorney general, Chesa Boudin, for insight. Dude won the AG race and fired nearly 10 state prosecutors within 48 hours of being sworn in. His office refuses to charge people for contraband found during bullshyt traffic stops. He's seeking to ban police union money from entering prosecutor election races. Police hate him, and likely want him dead. If people were more serious about voting, election attorney generals like that could become far more common.

And Piff hits the wire right here. Police officer has become a "last resort" job for those who can't do anything else or didn't pay attention during high school. We need to change that. Which means we need to have a conversation about jobs in general.

 

[Worthless Loser]

i'm just so fed up with these police unions that i'm willing for public unions to be illegal in america just so those fukkers can't have the protections of a union.

That's the main thing. If police unions can somehow be removed or limited in power that would go a long way.

-Body cams can never be turned off.
-Every state website needs to have individual police disciplinary records on their website.
-Blanket impunity removed.
-Extensive mental health evaluations and background evaluations overseen by indepedent people appointed by city council and the mayor followed by a government issued psychological examination. (There's still states who don't do this)
-State AG handles police brutality accusations rather than the DA. If the State Congress or Governor feels the AG is compromised, they can appoint a independent prosecutor.
-Ban chokeholds.
-Independent city police oversight committees with subpoena power to investigate corruption and brutality and make termination recommendations. Members of these committees would be ordinary citizens who would apply and interview with city council and the mayor.
-Termination for officers who participate in the police blue wall of silence if behind the scenes corruption is uncovered and nobody speaks out.

My thought are kinda all over the place.

 

[analog]

It's interesting how police unions have grown so powerful amidst all the anti union sentiment over the last several decades.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but reading through this you can see the grip these criminals have on politicians, and why it's so hard to enact meaningful change. This is one group that's really got me questioning my pro-union stance.

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts

Over the past five years, as demands for reform have mounted in the aftermath of police violence in cities like Ferguson, Mo., Baltimore and now Minneapolis, police unions have emerged as one of the most significant roadblocks to change. The greater the political pressure for reform, the more defiant the unions often are in resisting it — with few city officials, including liberal leaders, able to overcome their opposition.

They aggressively protect the rights of members accused of misconduct, often in arbitration hearings that they have battled to keep behind closed doors. And they have also been remarkably effective at fending off broader change, using their political clout and influence to derail efforts to increase accountability.

While rates of union membership have dropped by half nationally since the early 1980s, to 10 percent, higher membership rates among police unions give them resources they can spend on campaigns and litigation to block reform. A single New York City police union has spent more than $1 million on state and local races since 2014.

In St. Louis, when Kim Gardner was elected the top prosecutor four years ago, she set out to rein in the city’s high rate of police violence. But after she proposed a unit within the prosecutor’s office that would independently investigate misconduct, she ran into the powerful local police union.

The union pressured lawmakers to set aside the proposal, which many supported but then never brought to a vote. Around the same time, a lawyer for the union waged a legal fight to limit the ability of the prosecutor’s office to investigate police misconduct. The following year, a leader of the union said Ms. Gardner should be removed “by force or by choice.”

Politicians tempted to cross police unions have long feared being labeled soft on crime by the unions, or more serious consequences.

When Steve Fletcher, a Minneapolis city councilman and frequent Police Department critic, sought to divert money away from hiring officers and toward a newly created office of violence prevention, he said, the police stopped responding as quickly to 911 calls placed by his constituents. “It operates a little bit like a protection racket,” Mr. Fletcher said of the union.

A few days after prosecutors in Minneapolis charged an officer with murder in the death of George Floyd, the president of the city’s police union denounced political leaders, accusing them of selling out his members and firing four officers without due process.

“It is despicable behavior,” the union president, Lt. Bob Kroll, wrote in a letter to union members obtained by a local reporter. He also referred to protesters as a “terrorist movement.”

Mr. Kroll, who is himself the subject of at least 29 complaints, has also chided the Obama administration for its “oppression of police,” and praised President Trump as someone who “put the handcuffs on the criminals instead of us.”

 

[analog]

A thought that's come to mind is to perhaps exclude black arrests, and convictions from the stats so police departments, DAs, judges, etc can no longer use us to pad their stats, and build careers off our plight. Or, at least publicize, and demonize any area/department who is disproportionately arresting blacks. This would at least ensure they do their due diligence and do everything by the book if they want to go after someone of color.

Of course this runs the risk of black communities being ignored wholesale as a result, and I'll admit I haven't fully thought this through but I'm just tired of them arresting and throwing poor blacks who cannot afford proper representation in jail. There's too many innocent folk being scared into a plea deal, or judges unfairly handing out heavy sentences.

 

[Pressure]

Different generations.

That's how old folks get down.

 

[hashmander]

i wanna beat every last one of them with a bat.

 

[FAH1223]