What does actual police reform look like?

[jj23]

Is suppose you start by asking, what % of these police forces are bad apples?

 

[mc_brew]

Stop pushing this false narrative. It's simply about redefining the role police play, not getting rid of them completely.



What does it mean to ‘defund the police’?

For years, community groups have advocated for defunding law enforcement – taking money away from police and prisons – and reinvesting those funds in services. The basic principle is that government budgets and “public safety” spending should prioritize housing, employment, community health, education and other vital programs, instead of police officers. Advocates argue that defunding is the best way forward since attempts to reform police practices over the last five years have failed, as evidenced by the brutal killing of George Floyd. Groups have a range of demands, with some seeking modest reductions and others viewing full defunding as a step toward abolishing contemporary police services.


How much does America currently spend on police?

In the past four decades, the cost of policing in the US has tripled and is now $115bn, according to a recent analysis. That steady increase comes as crime has been consistently declining. In most cities, spending on police is significantly greater than spending on services and other departments ($1.8bn on police in Los Angeles, for example, which is more than half the city’s general fund). The Covid-19 economic crisis has led cities and states to make drastic budget cuts to education, youth programs, arts and culture, parks, libraries, housing services and more. But police budgets have grown or gone largely untouched – until pressure from protests this week.


If cities defund police, will violence and crime increase?

Abolition groups argue that policing and prison are at their core racist and harmful and make communities less safe. They also point out that the vast majority of police work has nothing to do with responding to or preventing violence, and that police have a terrible track record of solving murders or handling rape and domestic violence.

While there is no contemporary example of defunding in the US, there are studies suggesting that less policing could mean less crime. In 2014 and 2015, New York officers staged a “slowdown” to protest the mayor, arguing that if they did less police work, the city would be less safe. But the opposite turned out to be true. When the officers took a break from “broken windows policing”, meaning targeting low-level offenses, there was a drop in crime. Researchers posited that aggressive policing on the streets for petty matters can ultimately cause social disruption and lead to more crime. Policing that punishes poverty, such as hefty traffic tickets and debts, can also create conditions where crime is more likely. When New York ended “stop and frisk”, crime did not rise.

I'm not going to quote it all. It's worth reading it all for yourself.

What does 'defund the police' mean? The rallying cry sweeping the US – explained

dap & rep.... police are over used in this country... they should be primarily focused on crime, not being social workers or tax collectors, or any other of a bunch of other things they are used for.... shrinking the number of police isn't about having no laws or no law enforcement, it's about using police properly... more useless laws and more police to enforce those useless laws just equal more interactions with police which equal more opportunity for police to abuse their authority.. police should be focused on real crimes and if they had a more narrow focus, there wouldn't be a need for as many police and crime would still be under control....

 

[Regular_P]

dap & rep.... police are over used in this country... they should be primarily focused on crime, not being social workers or tax collectors, or any other of a bunch of other things they are used for.... shrinking the number of police isn't about having no laws or no law enforcement, it's about using police properly... more useless laws and more police to enforce those useless laws just equal more interactions with police which equal more opportunity for police to abuse their authority.. police should be focused on real crimes and if they had a more narrow focus, there wouldn't be a need for as many police and crime would still be under control....

I live near the border in Washington and I'm always struck by how little I see police cars when I go up to Vancouver. Soon as I get back across the border it's unavoidable.

 

[DEAD7]

-Civilian review boards with firing power
-Mandatory bodycams. Not operating a camera is a suspendable offense, and all cam data can be obtained by request.
- Settlements paid out from union dues/private insurance policies/pension funds.
-Abolition of qualified immunity and civil asset forfeiture.

 

[Spliff]

Is Police Misconduct a Secret in Your State?
Police Use of Force Project

That's a great thread.

 

[YoNoSe]

Here’s my take:

- body cams are mandatory, if you don’t have footage for all the time of your shift, you don’t get paid. If you turn off your camera at any time, you get suspended and you don’t get paid

- Remove military style weapons from police departments

- Full background check and mental health analysis on new recruits and officers being promoted to higher ranks. New recruits are impressionable, promoted officers bring their biases with them and influence officers under them

- cops doing patrol in neighborhoods, must be from the neighborhood or must do community service there to understand the citizens who live there

- more training hours required to become a police officer. Includes additional training for existing police officers

- police officers with more than 2 complaints will be put in front of a review board and vetted out thoroughly. Review board will consist of various professionals and community leaders. Pensions will be affected based on number of complaints and convictions may follow accordingly

- reform of the police unions. They have way too much power and get away with murder

- officers involved with law suits will have money taken away from their pension and their supervisors pensions

There are other things I want but can’t think right now

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

Dissolve police unions.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Needs more than police reform

Go after the prosecutors and medical examiners too

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Dissolve police unions.

This

 

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i look at police as a necessary evil

at the end of the day, this defund the police shyt is stupid. there has to be some degree of policing society as a deterrent

look at drunk driving, get rid of police tomorrow and drunk driving would skyrocket. and who would you call if someone gets shot or someone steals your car? "defund the police" is embarrassing and childish

So wait you don't understand the difference between disband and defund!

Defund doesn't mean disband your smart than that so post better than that!


Defund means accountability!

Just off the top of my head;

Instead of police settlements taken out of the public budget how start taking them out of the police pensions!

How about instead annual increase of an extradinoary large budget already overblown how about shift those assets to other initiatives.

Before calling something stupid do the research hell I will even help you out.

See down below!

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

A lot of good ideas in this thread.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Carson says issues over systemic racism are 'very uncommon now'

 

[ill]

Demilitarize the institution of policing.

Go back to community policing where each neighborhood knew the cop that walked that beat.

End the drug war

Stop allowing departments to keep money from traffic stops, civil asset forfeitures, etc.

Basically, make police visible to easily HELP people instead of looking at everyone as a criminal or revenue to keep their department going.

 

[the cac mamba]

Stop pushing this false narrative. It's simply about redefining the role police play, not getting rid of them completely.



What does it mean to ‘defund the police’?

For years, community groups have advocated for defunding law enforcement – taking money away from police and prisons – and reinvesting those funds in services. The basic principle is that government budgets and “public safety” spending should prioritize housing, employment, community health, education and other vital programs, instead of police officers. Advocates argue that defunding is the best way forward since attempts to reform police practices over the last five years have failed, as evidenced by the brutal killing of George Floyd. Groups have a range of demands, with some seeking modest reductions and others viewing full defunding as a step toward abolishing contemporary police services.


How much does America currently spend on police?

In the past four decades, the cost of policing in the US has tripled and is now $115bn, according to a recent analysis. That steady increase comes as crime has been consistently declining. In most cities, spending on police is significantly greater than spending on services and other departments ($1.8bn on police in Los Angeles, for example, which is more than half the city’s general fund). The Covid-19 economic crisis has led cities and states to make drastic budget cuts to education, youth programs, arts and culture, parks, libraries, housing services and more. But police budgets have grown or gone largely untouched – until pressure from protests this week.


If cities defund police, will violence and crime increase?

Abolition groups argue that policing and prison are at their core racist and harmful and make communities less safe. They also point out that the vast majority of police work has nothing to do with responding to or preventing violence, and that police have a terrible track record of solving murders or handling rape and domestic violence.

While there is no contemporary example of defunding in the US, there are studies suggesting that less policing could mean less crime. In 2014 and 2015, New York officers staged a “slowdown” to protest the mayor, arguing that if they did less police work, the city would be less safe. But the opposite turned out to be true. When the officers took a break from “broken windows policing”, meaning targeting low-level offenses, there was a drop in crime. Researchers posited that aggressive policing on the streets for petty matters can ultimately cause social disruption and lead to more crime. Policing that punishes poverty, such as hefty traffic tickets and debts, can also create conditions where crime is more likely. When New York ended “stop and frisk”, crime did not rise.

I'm not going to quote it all. It's worth reading it all for yourself.

What does 'defund the police' mean? The rallying cry sweeping the US – explained

if i had the definition wrong, then i admit that. i woulda sworn i read they meant otherwise


i agree with all of this, and i hope it happens policing is fukkin disgusting in america

 

[Shogun]

A realistic change would be to stop training them like they’re supposed to act like an occupying force. Be friendly, treat people with respect.

they cry about the risk but fukk that. They gladly soak up the hero worship when it comes. In Afghanistan we were trained to be friendly and respectful to everyone until they’re actually shooting at you...and we were. No reason police can’t do the same.

My battalion had one dude shoot someone without cause...he’s still in jail.