We owe Spike Lee a huge Apology

[ExodusNirvana]

Everything except "tru story".

 

[Marvel]

Slavery only took place in america???

Its HISTORY PERIOD....and the fact that its history and cannot get told correctly without obstacles shows you how insecure the CAC is...

The shyt won't get portrayed correctly in history books because CAC like QT trying to turn shyt into some fuccin comedy


This is what the CAC does....try and change history to hide their evil past...

shyt wont change till we have enough righteous CACs that stands up for what right...no matter of race...but go head..keep acting ignorant...We already gotta black president....the tides turning

Tim Wise is one of the few white people that stands up for what's right. Dude be having black and white people like

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[FreshABM]

what u talkin bout?...honestly?..are u TRYING to find fault in what im saying?..Im obviously talking bout AMERICAN SLAVERY..u know..the fukkin subject at hand?..how the fukk u sayin im actin ignorant when im acknowledging the fact that our shyt either isnt told at all or isnt told the right way...and yes...AMERICAN SLAVERY is not only OUR history..it's AMERICAN history...yet the shyt gets separated...which is fukked up...but..having the mentality that limits who and who can't speak on it doesn help the issue..it fukking HINDERS it...THAT's what im tryna say...I respect nikkas opinion on the movie..but whether u like the movie or not...this shyt is bringing up a SERIOUS discussion that NEEDs to be had....UNTIL our shyt gets the proper coverage..

When I quoted you and I said ignorant..i wasn't referring to you... I was referring to CACs...I only quoted you to add on to what you was saying

I still have a difference of opinion on it being american history..its BLACK american history...not everyone was slaves in this country

 

[Street Knowledge]

Tim Wise is one of the few white people that stands up for what's right. Dude be having black and white people like

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[ame=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OkHysPNog]Tim Wise - White Privilege - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FreshABM]

Tim Wise is one of the few white people that stands up for what's right. Dude be having black and white people like

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I wasnt talking specifically about him .. I was speaking generally..but if he's the CAC that made that review video...he might stand for what right...but whats right for a black man..and whats right for a white man..can differ

 

[spliz]

When I quoted you and I said ignorant..i wasn't referring to you... I was referring to CACs...I only quoted you to add on to what you was saying

I still have a difference of opinion on it being american history..its BLACK american history...not everyone was slaves in this country

the reason I said it's american history is cause blacks werent the only one's involved...it was the fukkin whites who was doin the dirt...so it's their history too...and they should ALWAYS be reminded of THEIR part in the history of slavery in america...

 

[Kodie]

Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

I remember watching Pulp Fiction for the first time. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, if not loved it. It is fair to characterize it as a classic piece of American cinema. But that doesn't in any way mitigate the impact or excuse the "Dead N***** Storage" joke(s) in the film. They were unnecessary and wholly arbitrary in nature. They weren't for expository effect or "authenticity."

They were to generate laughs. He got none from me.

Then came Jackie Brown. This time, it was more of the same but for a lesser quality movie. Samuel L. Jackson was once again (like Pulp Fiction) used as the loudspeaker for the supposed humor. In fact, it was used 38 times. Again, not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake, (although Tarantino has argued publicly that the movie was an homage to the Blackxploitation genre in which the word was often used.)

But again... used to generate laughs... and I didn't.

My familiarity with Tarantino's work was neither linear nor chronological in nature. It wasn't until after Jackie Brown that I went back and discovered Reservoir Dogs... and there it is found too. Say it again with me... not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake.

This time it wasn't necessarily for laughs per se, but was used by "Mr. Pink" to specifically degrade and deride as an insult.

This is largely the history of Quentin Tarantino leading up to Django Unchained, a movie whose script was widely circulated in the year prior to its release. Spike Lee read it, I've read and virtually everyone else involved in entertainment had read it long before the movie premiered.

Lee, made it clear that he did not plan to support the movie, finding the whole premise of spaghetti western slave drama to be "disrespectful" to his (and my) ancestors. In response, Lee was criticized and castigated for not having viewed the movie first and for being a "hater," as the reductionist, simple-minded argument would go.

Lee's critique is not, was not and will never be dependent on the "quality" of the movie. It never was about the movie, it's about the very premise. I don't need to actually view "Slavery -- The Broadway Musical" starring Jennifer Hudson to forward the idea that slavery as a musical is wholly disrespectful in its very conception. I don't need to sit through "Slavery - The Daytime Soap Opera" starring Shemar Moore or "Superman The Man of Steel Frees the Negroes" co-starring Flava Flav either to come to this reasonable conclusion.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Let me say it again and in bold, because I'm sure somebody below in the comment section will say to "see it" first.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Those familiar with the horrible premise of The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer, which aired briefly on UPN should already get the point.

Please save your Django movie review, it's not relevant to this discussion. No matter if you loved it or hated it... not germane to the issue. Keep it to yourself while debating this issue.

It is and always was about the premise (and predilection) of Tarantino.

Lee was called (among other things) a "thug" and "punk" by comedian dikk Gregory and a "conniving and scheming Uncle Tom" by former 2LiveCrew leader Luther Campbell. I respect the former and laugh at the latter. dikk Gregory has a long, undeniable civil rights history, but such a classless rebuke for a film he wasn't in and criticism not directed at him is curious at best. And you also mean to tell me, the man BEST known for debasement of countless women of color and a career of misogyny, Luther Campbell was calling the director of Four Little Girls, When the Levees Broke, Malcolm X, Do the Right Thing and Miracle at St. Anna (producer) an "Uncle Tom?"

That would be laugh-out-loud funny if it weren't so sadly ignorant. Campbell knows about as much about Harriet Beecher Stowe as I do quantum physics.

...As in nothing.

Each one of Spike's aforementioned movies was a very sincere and detailed love letter to the African-American community. Love letters, not just movies. While Spike Lee was forever changing the future of film and how Black directors and actors would be utilized back in the late '80s... Campbell was in the midst of a 19th century minstrel show revival, cavorting and undulating to "Oh, me so horny."

And now Campbell feels both comfortable and confident to say Lee is an "Uncle Tom?"

It is silly to think such stupidity was going to pass unless I said something. If nobody else tells the truth, I will.

I have not agreed (or appreciated) all of Lee's work (including use of the N-word), or even his depiction of women in many of his films. And for that I have summarily criticized him over the years, check the record. But be absolutely clear, you can't question how much he loves the African-American community and his sincerity is above reproach. Know that before Denzel and Halle accepted their Oscars, it was Spike who made them into viable silver screen options. It was Spike who introduced Samuel L. Jackson to the world, paving the way for Tarantino to use him in films, not vice-versa. It was Spike who laid the path for contemporaries John Singleton, Ernest dikkerson, F. Gary Gray, Tim Story, the much-maligned Tyler Perry and Antoine Fuqua who also publicly chided Lee with respect to Django.

That would be the same Antoine Fuqua, who directed Training Day, featuring the very same Denzel Washington (and N-words) as a vehicle to an Oscar. Spike says "you're welcome" Antoine.

When there were none of them, Spike was fighting FOR them, telling stories on film traditional Hollywood refused to support. A director doesn't make films like 4 Little Girls to make himself wealthy or in the hopes of winning Oscars. He does it because he's in love with us.

Oscars are given out for questionable roles like those in Training Day and Monster's Ball... not Malcolm X. They are given out for movies like The Help, Glory, Precious and Driving Miss Daisy... not A Huey P. Newton Story or Bamboozled. Lee was making movies for us and about us... not primarily for wealth, fame or Oscars. To call him a "hater" is to say you really haven't been paying attention for the past 25 years. To call him a "thug" (dikk Gregory) means that you really are just a comedian and not to be confused as a real confidante of Dr. King.

Our history can't be denied, one which Lee has dedicated his life to chronicling and preserving.

Turning the corner...

There is nothing to suggest in Tarantino's personal history that he loves us (We grew up less than a mile apart in the same housing track in Harbor City, CA). Fascinated maybe... but love, absolutely not. It is not unlike those who made the argument that Elvis loved and respected African-Americans because "he had 'Black girlfriends.'"

Um... yeah. Waking up next to "us" doesn't mean you love us and neither does a slavery movie in which the protagonist happens to kill all the "bad White people."

Tarantino's behavior reeks more of fascination with the Black experience, complete with an N-word fetish; not respect or reverence. Not to mention, his cavalier use of the word even outside of the film realm (i.e. backstage at the Golden Globes) gives me great, great pause.

I don't have to wonder whether Lee has a deep and abiding respect for our history and contributions to this country, even beyond slavery. His record is inarguable. Conversely, Tarantino's record is equally inarguable. The only thing Tarantino has proven is that we can count on "N*****" to be a staple in his films, past, present and future.

If you disagree with Spike... fine. But to disrespect and disregard him in the expression of that disagreement is wholly unacceptable. Spike Lee has earned better.

We collectively missed Spike Lee's point and owe him a huge apology. Quentin Tarantino has never fought for, or to uplift us. Luther Campbell definitely has never fought for us and the next uplifting thing he does will be his first. Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

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Morris W. O'Kelly: We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology

Morris W. O'Kelly: We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology

This is what I wrote on the subject in another thread


Read his comments again. He said that the BASIC PREMISE of the movie (a Spaghetti Western/Slavery era mash up with comedic overtones) wasn't something that HE himself was going to support on the grounds that in his opinion Slavery wasn't something to be parodied. He wasn't ignorantly calling the movie something it wasn't, he wasn't even TRULY shytting on the film itself. For those who are familiar with Spike Lee shytting on a film and director, look up his quotes on Clint Eastwood's Flags Of Our Fathers. He stated that HE wasn't going to see the movie because HE believed that slavery should not be depicted in such a manner.

Nowhere on his comments did he speak ill of Quentin Tarantino
Nowhere in his comments did he speak ill of the cast
Nowhere in his comments did he call for protests or boycotts of the film


Again, Django was a good movie, an entertaining and at times poignant work of FICTION. however, if Spike Lee, for his own personal reasons chooses not to see it or endorse it, then he is WELL within his rights to do so. Spike Lee has done MORE than enough throughout his career with his platform for the advancement of African Americans. His allegiance towards the betterment of African Americans is unquestionable and undebateable. I think people really do forget how many African American actors got their breaks from Spike Lee. I think people forget how Spike Lee battled with the studios when they tried to fukk him on the budget of Malcolm X (both he and Denzel Washingtok put their entire salaries up towards the producron budget) I think people forget how Spike Lee told all major magazines and media outlets that he wanted to be interviewed by black journalists, at a time when most of these magazines HAD no black journalists and had go hire them. I think people forget that Spike Lee was calling bullshyt on being charged with Anti-Semticism and creating dialogue on Jewish control of Black Films. I think that people REALLY FORGET what Spike Lee's films stand for in regards to accurately depicting the TRUE African American experience (not Tarantino's Revenge Fanatsy) in modern culture, and I think some of you need to be educated before you disparage Spike Lee.

Two great posts with very reasonable arguments that could start this thread in a better direction than the last one. Now watch the rest of the thread devolve

Ahh that was quick

 

[FreshABM]

In Higher Learning AND the Arcadium, something that should really be discussed with some manner of civility and maturity has tumbled into buffoonery filled with aliases and trolls.

The same is being done with the gun control debate.

We don't NEED them. At the very least, their usernames should be limited to JBO.

you need to shut the fucc up ..you ol whiny CAC..........if their are aliases in here..their the one's saying the bullshyt you cosign...........All you doing is bringing NOTHING to the table..complaining and SNITCHING....

 

[FreshABM]

the reason I said it's american history is cause blacks werent the only one's involved...it was the fukkin whites who was doin the dirt...so it's their history too...and they should ALWAYS be reminded of THEIR part in the history of slavery in america...

O your correct about that...I def cosign that...but you must understand you gotta emphasis black american history....or CAC's would try to twist "their" history into what they want it to be...AS THEIR KNOWN TO DO......being that black ppl were the ones taken advantage of...we hold that card on how it should be looked at in history...not the ppl who killed babies...women...innocent men...while still going to church on a sunday

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Dude dapped Kodes post and then called me a CAC in the very next one

 

[FreshABM]

Dude dapped Kodes post and then called me a CAC in the very next one

you damn right..Kodie seems like a cool dude.... I just use CAC alot especially for dudes like you


You might think I hate white ppl ... I hate IGNORANT CAC's

and look at your bytch ass trying to undercover snitch to Kodie...don't you get tired of telling??

So what if I dapped kodie...its a fuccin dap clown...I gave him that dap because of his post...if your clown ass read it...you would of saw it was quite funny.

 

[Piff Perkins]

No, we don't

 

[Gravity]

Django unchained is a much more real depiction of slavery than a lot of kids are taught in school. Reading my daughters history books you would think slavery was all peaches and happiness. Not to say that the movie should be used as a true representation of slavery, but if you wanna complain about the depiction of slavery there are plenty more inaccurate, damaging depictions to address than django.

I'm sorry, but you've got to be the one of he dumbest posters and biggest c00ns on this site. Django is not close to being a real depiction of slavery, it's a completely false depiction of slavery. It's a made up story. Just because it contained scenes that showed extremely brutal treatmet of slaves doesnt make it a real depiction of slavery. It certainly doesn't teach you more about slavery than the information in history books. You sound like someone who can count the number of books that you've read on 1 hand. Django should not have "taught" you anything about slavery that you did not already know. You didn't know that slaves were treated brutally? You're just coming to that realization after watching Django? What else did you "learn" about slavery from Django since it was such a real depiction? You would learn more about slavery and get a much more informative description of it by looking "slavery" up on Wikipedia than watching Django. Seriously, I want to know how Django would even come close to qualifying as a real depiction of slavery because all I saw was an action-revenge movie using slavery as the backdrop. All of the scenes with extreme violence were used to set up the movie. Scenes like the Mandingo fight scene and the man-eating dogs scenes were in the movie to justify Django's revenge, not uncover some hidden truth about slavery.

Your "shhh we should all shut up and just be happy that The white man(Hollywood) has thrown us a bone by casting a few blacks in a blockbuster movie" position is silly as well. fukk that, you boot licker. It's a fictional movie about slavery, of course there was going to be black actors in it. Peep the game. The black actors only play supporting roles, the main actors are the white actors. Like I told you before, the main people eating from Django are white people not blacks. You insist trying to make Django some kind of "win" for blacks when it's clearly not. You're lost buddy.

 

[spliz]

O your correct about that...I def cosign that...but you must understand you gotta emphasis black american history....or CAC's would try to twist "their" history into what they want it to be...AS THEIR KNOWN TO DO......being that black ppl were the ones taken advantage of...we hold that card on how it should be looked at in history...not the ppl who killed babies...women...innocent men...while still going to church on a sunday

haha..word..lol..I feel u...

 

[FreshABM]

I'm sorry, but you've got to be the one of he dumbest posters and biggest c00ns on this site. Django is not close to being a real depiction of slavery, it's a completely false depiction of slavery. It's a made up story. Just because it contained scenes that showed extremely brutal treatmet of slaves doesnt make it a real depiction of slavery. It certainly doesn't teach you more about slavery than the information in history books. You sound like someone who can count the number of books that you've read on 1 hand. Django should not have "taught" you anything about slavery that you did not already know. You didn't know that slaves were treated brutally? You're just coming to that realization after watching Django? What else did you "learn" about slavery from Django since it was such a real depiction? You would learn more about slavery and get a much more informative description of it by looking "slavery" up on Wikipedia than watching Django. Seriously, I want to know how Django would even come close to qualifying as a real depiction of slavery because all I saw was an action-revenge movie using slavery as the backdrop. All of the scenes with extreme violence were used to set up the movie. Scenes like the Mandingo fight scene and the man-eating dogs scenes were in the movie to justify Django's revenge, not uncover some hidden truth about slavery.

great post ...and clearly son is a imbecile ..these dudes make points that you'd have to be mentally challenge to understand..they make NO SENSE


We really need a list of CAC posters who are on the Coli trying to portray to be black