We need more black thinkers and less entertainers

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's cool and all, but a lot more needs to be done. There needs to be more small businesses and trade programs for example to keep ex-cons from re-offending. I've been on the job hunt with them personally and watched how difficult it is for them. The brothas that own businesses that'll give em a chance are few and far inbetween. If there aren't enough job opportunities for youth in the slum then they'll obviously turn to crime who is anyone to tell them they should simply starve because they were born in the wrong circumstances.

I'm not disregarding the things being done on the middle and upper levels. But its the poor that need the help, and its ignorant elitist behavior to think of them as some lost cause not worth helping. I find that lost negroes with money are much worse long term than the ones without it because they have the means to change shyt but they're simply perpetuating the cycle just like the criminal in the street.

1. With respect to ex-cons, I think mass efforts to change sentencing and laws will be more successful in the long run as well. And it depends what you mean by job opportunities for them. Whats that mean?

2. What does this have to do with anything? I mean I admit that more blacks could create more INCLUSIVE networks, but theres a reason some of these adult clubs and organizations only want certain types. They're raising generations of black kids who ain't in the hood and who aren't on that dumb shyt.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And fyi poor Whites get a disproportional amount of government aid

And I've never been one to blame the White man or racism so miss me with that

So wtf were you bytching about in the sillicon valley thread?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

you were just in the silicon valley thread blaming racism, homophobia and misogyny for lack of blacks in SV

i'm saying

Its like dude has the memory of a goldfish.

he LIVES to be a contrarian

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Da fukk? To get them on the right track and fix the community, what else would be the end? Blacks are losing their neighborhoods in the major cities of the most powerful country in the world I'd say that's a major end.

They're losing the communities to MONEY.

Not race.

This isn't 1961.

MONEY.

If blacks their money up, the sky is the limit.

Look at ATL and DC. Blacks with money do VERY well in maintaining their communities. Remember, we're 12% of teh population so you can't expect consistent trends everywhere from San Diego to Tampa.

I disagree breh, its very elitist behavior I can practically hear the nose cuttin the air as it rises up on some extra snooty shyt. I won't disagree that there are some lost causes, but that's on both sides we can't think of this as only the poor ones being lost. But wouldn't cutting down on the lost causes be another thing that helps? How was a street gang in Chicago in the 1970s able to reign in its community, clean it up, open businesses, and open after school spots for the youth to do homework and play games but the best and brightest in our community can't even find the will to do half of that? That's what I mean by both sides are lost, there are poor people that think they really are just the caricatures our hijacked culture says they are because the better off people felt it wasn't worth it to invest in their own community.

You're talking about a street gang 4 decades ago? Thats almost laughable that you'd think i'd be impressed by that.

They were STILL A GANG

...and I take it that you're not associated with blacks that are about that life and making shyt happen. Everyone I know is MAKING BANK out here and reinvesting in their commnuities and raising kids to follow the same pattern.

You're not being honest with yourself.

You can't save everyone, but to act like folks ain't out here is just absurd.

Lookin to only one portion of the community is the height of low standards imo. You have no idea how many good people slip through the cracks just because of such dangerous apathy and indifference.

Its not apathy to have high standards.

And a lot of this starts simply with education.

 

[Poitier]

So wtf were you bytching about in the sillicon valley thread?

Quote me in that thread 1. saying SV is something for Blacks to aspire to be involved in 2. Blaming Whites for lack of education, financial literacy or starting businesses

Reading comprehension

i'm saying

Its like dude has the memory of a goldfish.

he LIVES to be a contrarian

The irony.

 

[Master Teacher]

what need is less black people who talk white racist talking points and recite them back.

What's wrong with entertainment, what's wrong with blacks making money in that when its a lot of money to get made.
Few people succeed in life PERIOD, no matter what line of work you are in, you have Doctor's who are wealthy and some who are not.

Nobody says Arabs need less Liqour Stores and more Doctors, more hospitals, more this more that

Nobody says Chinese people should stop focusing on Restaurants, beauty supply shops

Dr. Claude Anderson already explained what black people need to do in all the vids posted on here, but a lot of people in this thread were ghost when those were up, I wonder why

Most black people aren't tall enough to be in the NBA
or athletic enough to be in the NFL.

Most people in General aren't. I've only known a handful of athletes in my life, and few of them playing pro right now, some over seas, and others one didn't pan out for whatever reason. But in comparison to every black person I knew, people trying to be athletes and rappers were few and far between. That his a stereotype white people come up with, because they only time they see black people is on TV rapping or playing sports.

Number one reason I lost respect for Obama was because he was at the NAACP award bullshyt whatever it was, talking that same shyt, less little waynes, more doctors, raise your kids, blah blah,

He's saying this shyt to a room of people who are successful and employed, not some nikkaz on block rolling.

shyt really pissed me off, when has Obama ever did a Town Hall in the Hood, never, he never gave a pep talk to the one's who needed it.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

1. With respect to ex-cons, I think mass efforts to change sentencing and laws will be more successful in the long run as well. And it depends what you mean by job opportunities for them. Whats that mean?

2. What does this have to do with anything? I mean I admit that more blacks could create more INCLUSIVE networks, but theres a reason some of these adult clubs and organizations only want certain types. They're raising generations of black kids who ain't in the hood and who aren't on that dumb shyt.

1. I don't disagree with mass effort to change sentencing laws, but that doesn't mean its the only thing that can be done. Lets put it this way, every single person isn't going to be a doctor, lawyer, etc etc. It shouldn't have to be such extremes, I noticed working with ex-cons that they come out with lots of trade skills but there aren't many black owned businesses geared towards those skills. Moreover, there's no will to create businesses in the lower income communities. If the community has more small black businesses that bring employment opportunities to young people who would otherwise be in the street doin crime cuz they have no money. The issue at hand has to be solved at the top with the changing of laws as you said, but also at the bottom with efforts to break the school to prison pipeline and make it more difficult for the prison system to be a self sustaining industry because of the prevalence of recidivism.

2. You're only looking at this from one point of view, that's why you don't get it. It's frustrating to me how the same mistake is always made from then til now. I'm not even suggesting lettin hood nikkaz all up in upper class social clubs that's dumb they can have who they wish to have around themselves. However, what I am sayin is that the collective power and influence of those groups should find ways to help end the cycle of violence and imprisonment within the black community. But that's contrary to a selfish-elitist snobby viewpoint.

They're losing the communities to MONEY.

Not race.

This isn't 1961.

MONEY.

If blacks their money up, the sky is the limit.

Look at ATL and DC. Blacks with money do VERY well in maintaining their communities. Remember, we're 12% of teh population so you can't expect consistent trends everywhere from San Diego to Tampa.



You're talking about a street gang 4 decades ago? Thats almost laughable that you'd think i'd be impressed by that.

They were STILL A GANG

...and I take it that you're not associated with blacks that are about that life and making shyt happen. Everyone I know is MAKING BANK out here and reinvesting in their commnuities and raising kids to follow the same pattern.

You're not being honest with yourself.

You can't save everyone, but to act like folks ain't out here is just absurd.


Its not apathy to have high standards.

And a lot of this starts simply with education.

1. First of all it is still about race breh, the prison system alone tells us this. However I brought up the cities because of what you just said, money. The ones with money won't invest so those communities are being lost. It disgusts me to see what's become of DC, Harlem, and many other places that at one point boasted vibrant black communities. This isn't 1961 indeed, but black people with money haven't taken enough advantage of that.

2. I'm associated with a diverse crowd of black people, I don't limit myself to one environment because it's comfortable or ideal. And yes, I also know people with great jobs or with black businesses in the community. I brought up the street gang because of what it did, and all you could conclude was that it was a street gang. This goes back to what I said in your other quote, you only see things from one point of view. If a band of criminals was able to do that, then what the fukk is stopping the black people with resources to do the same? The divisions have to stop because it helps no one. I'm not sayin you can save everyone either, I'm sayin there are a lot of people that want to be saved.

3. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the standards end of it, we have different ideas of what black people are capable of.

what need is less black people who talk white racist talking points and recite them back.

What's wrong with entertainment, what's wrong with blacks making money in that when its a lot of money to get made.
Few people succeed in life PERIOD, no matter what line of work you are in, you have Doctor's who are wealthy and some who are not.

Nobody says Arabs need less Liqour Stores and more Doctors, more hospitals, more this more that

Nobody says Chinese people should stop focusing on Restaurants, beauty supply shops

Dr. Claude Anderson already explained what black people need to do in all the vids posted on here, but a lot of people in this thread were ghost when those were up, I wonder why

Most black people aren't tall enough to be in the NBA
or athletic enough to be in the NFL.

Most people in General aren't. I've only known a handful of athletes in my life, and few of them playing pro right now, some over seas, and others one didn't pan out for whatever reason. But in comparison to every black person I knew, people trying to be athletes and rappers were few and far between. That his a stereotype white people come up with, because they only time they see black people is on TV rapping or playing sports.

Number one reason I lost respect for Obama was because he was at the NAACP award bullshyt whatever it was, talking that same shyt, less little waynes, more doctors, raise your kids, blah blah,

He's saying this shyt to a room of people who are successful and employed, not some nikkaz on block rolling.

shyt really pissed me off, when has Obama ever did a Town Hall in the Hood, never, he never gave a pep talk to the one's who needed it.

Both of the bolded is 100% truth.

I don't need to peep Dr. Anderson cuz I already got that message from Dr. Wilson.

 

[BiggWebb79]

There's room for both, make enough noise(good noise) in one area the other will gravitate towards it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. I don't disagree with mass effort to change sentencing laws, but that doesn't mean its the only thing that can be done. Lets put it this way, every single person isn't going to be a doctor, lawyer, etc etc. It shouldn't have to be such extremes, I noticed working with ex-cons that they come out with lots of trade skills but there aren't many black owned businesses geared towards those skills. Moreover, there's no will to create businesses in the lower income communities. If the community has more small black businesses that bring employment opportunities to young people who would otherwise be in the street doin crime cuz they have no money. The issue at hand has to be solved at the top with the changing of laws as you said, but also at the bottom with efforts to break the school to prison pipeline and make it more difficult for the prison system to be a self sustaining industry because of the prevalence of recidivism.

This sounds like education to me.

2. You're only looking at this from one point of view, that's why you don't get it. It's frustrating to me how the same mistake is always made from then til now. I'm not even suggesting lettin hood nikkaz all up in upper class social clubs that's dumb they can have who they wish to have around themselves. However, what I am sayin is that the collective power and influence of those groups should find ways to help end the cycle of violence and imprisonment within the black community. But that's contrary to a selfish-elitist snobby viewpoint.

What you call snobbery is what I'll accept. Call it what you want, but theres gotta be a standard. We're the only ones without one.

We gotta have a code out here, and behavior is a component of that.

Even further, its funny you claim I don't see YOUR point of view.

I completely understand it, I just reject parts of it.

1. First of all it is still about race breh, the prison system alone tells us this. However I brought up the cities because of what you just said, money. The ones with money won't invest so those communities are being lost. It disgusts me to see what's become of DC, Harlem, and many other places that at one point boasted vibrant black communities. This isn't 1961 indeed, but black people with money haven't taken enough advantage of that.

What is a vibrant black neighborhood?

Because what gentification replaces is shytholes. Lets be frank here.

Money matters and if blacks had theirs together, they ain't getting forced out.

2. I'm associated with a diverse crowd of black people, I don't limit myself to one environment because it's comfortable or ideal. And yes, I also know people with great jobs or with black businesses in the community. I brought up the street gang because of what it did, and all you could conclude was that it was a street gang. This goes back to what I said in your other quote, you only see things from one point of view. If a band of criminals was able to do that, then what the fukk is stopping the black people with resources to do the same? The divisions have to stop because it helps no one. I'm not sayin you can save everyone either, I'm sayin there are a lot of people that want to be saved.

I reject the notion that street gangs had ANY positive effect and you're just looking back with rose tinted glasses.

the black community is reaching newer heights not seen since the 70s.

3. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the standards end of it, we have different ideas of what black people are capable of.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Quote me in that thread 1. saying SV is something for Blacks to aspire to be involved in 2. Blaming Whites for lack of education, financial literacy or starting businesses

Reading comprehension


The irony.

This is why you get so little respect in these discussions.

You're just flat out lying now.

We brought up this notion that more blacks needed to enter STEM and focus on hard academic skills over liberal arts, and you were in there talking about some massive veil of "racism" as if that was supposed to address black success. Now you're in here championing the same thing we were trying to convey this whole time.

 

[Poitier]

This is why you get so little respect in these discussions.

You're just flat out lying now.

We brought up this notion that more blacks needed to enter STEM and focus on hard academic skills over liberal arts, and you were in there talking about some massive veil of "racism" as if that was supposed to address black success. Now you're in here championing the same thing we were trying to convey this whole time.

Quote me.

If you actually had the ability to comprehend what you read, you'd notice someone said that SV companies SEEK to find Black people to hire. I brought up the racism to counter that it wasn't quite the case. That person then replied that he agreed but was specifically referring to filling quotas.

Learn to read dumb ass.

And as far as liberal degrees? Are you fukking dense. My first post in that thread said I DONT CARE WHAT THEY MAJOR IN AS LONG AS THEY CAN USE THE SKILLSET TO CREATE BUSINESSES AND WEALTH.

Goddamn you dumb, boy.

And no you are not trying to convey what @theworldismine13. He stated he believes that people should follow their passion, where as you think any non STEM person is worthless.

You don't agree what @2Quik4UHoes. He isn't an uppity negro who think the upper-classes Blacks should separate from the lower class... most of us have family and friends across classes dumbass

You're the same c00n telling Blacks to go work for a White man after college and start businesses when they have a family, car and house note FOH.

I've mentioned tons of potential solutions. All I see from you in this thread is elitist nonsense.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This sounds like education to me.



What you call snobbery is what I'll accept. Call it what you want, but theres gotta be a standard. We're the only ones without one.

We gotta have a code out here, and behavior is a component of that.

Even further, its funny you claim I don't see YOUR point of view.

I completely understand it, I just reject parts of it.



What is a vibrant black neighborhood?

Because what gentification replaces is shytholes. Lets be frank here.

Money matters and if blacks had theirs together, they ain't getting forced out.

I reject the notion that street gangs had ANY positive effect and you're just looking back with rose tinted glasses.

the black community is reaching newer heights not seen since the 70s.

1. Education is a very crucial part of it. Economic empowerment is important too tho.

2. I don't disagree with their being a standard, I disagree with the idea that all the poor people in these bad environment are discardable and thats what makes me consider that a snobby viewpoint. I live around these people breh, I'm well aware of how some of them think of the poor communities.

3. Money stays within the community, majority of the businesses owned by its residents or people of that same ethnicity so there's familiarity in regards to what's needed. A vibrant black neighborhood is a black neighborhood that basically cannot be gentrified by an outside group. We're on the same page in terms of people gettin their shyt together, but I think we just got a different idea of how that should be done. I think there needs to be an intervention in the education because the school systems now are the starting point to prison for many, there needs to be investment in small businesses, difference stuff like that. Like I said before, the problem should be solved on a multitude of levels rather than one or two. There needs to be balance, meaning just as someone said not everyone is going to be what we consider successful but there should be many other opportunities provided before crime becomes the choice. I'm not sayin that its full proof and everyone will fall in line, but many many people will and it'll make a huge difference in repairing the community in the long run.

4. Go learn about Bobby Gore and the Conservative Vice Lords.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Quote me.

If you actually had the ability to comprehend what you read, you'd notice someone said that SV companies SEEK to find Black people to hire. I brought up the racism to counter that it wasn't quite the case. That person then replied that he agreed but was specifically referring to filling quotas.

Learn to read dumb ass.

I'm not wasting my time to delve back into that thread. You can if you want. You'll just pull this shyt out of your ass about how its not in the right context. Even @theworldismine13 called you out on it.

And as far as liberal degrees? Are you fukking dense. My first post in that thread said I DONT CARE WHAT THEY MAJOR IN AS LONG AS THEY CAN USE THE SKILLSET TO CREATE BUSINESSES AND WEALTH.

Goddamn you dumb, boy.

And this is where you're wrong.

Not all majors are remotely created equally and what black youth major in matters. You can't create wealth and businesses with all types of degrees. Something has to give.

You're trying to scrape the barrel and lower the bar for black accomplishment.

And no you are not trying to convey what @theworldismine13. He stated he believes that people should follow their passion, where as you think any non STEM person is worthless.

I don't think any non-stem person is worthless...they just contribute less on average.

You don't agree what @2Quik4UHoes. He isn't an uppity negro who think the upper-classes Blacks should separate from the lower class... most of us have family and friends across classes dumbass

i don't think there should be a "separation" but standards can't be reached by welcoming everyone.

Again you make excuses for lowering the standard of black success.

You're the same c00n telling Blacks to go work for a White man after college and start businesses when they have a family, car and house note FOH.

Non-sequitor.

I said to get valuable work experience that enables you to learn about more aspects of the world to further use to create personal businesses and wealth.

You can't learn what exists without applying what you've learned.

I've mentioned tons of potential solutions. All I see from you in this thread is elitist nonsense.

I have standards.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. Education is a very crucial part of it. Economic empowerment is important too tho.

2. I don't disagree with their being a standard, I disagree with the idea that all the poor people in these bad environment are discardable and thats what makes me consider that a snobby viewpoint. I live around these people breh, I'm well aware of how some of them think of the poor communities.

3. Money stays within the community, majority of the businesses owned by its residents or people of that same ethnicity so there's familiarity in regards to what's needed. A vibrant black neighborhood is a black neighborhood that basically cannot be gentrified. We're on the same page in terms of people gettin their shyt together, but I think we just got a different idea of how that should be done. I think there needs to be an intervention in the education because the school systems now are the starting point to prison for many, there needs to be investment in small businesses, difference stuff like that. Like I said before, the problem should be solved on a multitude of levels rather than one or two. There needs to be balance, meaning just as someone said not everyone is going to be what we consider successful but there should be many other opportunities provided before crime becomes the choice. I'm not sayin that its full proof and everyone will fall in line, but many many people will and it'll make a huge difference in repairing the community in the long run.

4. Go learn about Bobby Gore and the Conservative Vice Lords.

This is the only thing I care to respond to.

ACTUAL black communities worth a damn aren't getting gentified.

Go to ATL and DC. The only places getting renovated were absolute shyt holes that had it coming. Blacks with money are part of this "gentification" you speak so lowly of.

Gentification can work for the black community if blacks get their money up. Its simple.

Racists will always exist, but they'll never turn down a dollar.

 

[philmonroe]

IMO, the problem with this is that the number of people in the hood aspiring to be athletes/entertainers is extremely disproportionate to the number of entertainer/athlete positions there are. Only a tiny minority of any group of people will find much success in these fields but that's what many if not most black kids aspire to. I remember in high school every other dude wanted to rap and was trying to get signed, shyt was ridiculous.

So I don't think "entertainment" per se is the problem, but the problem is that we have a culture where sports/entertainment is seen as something black kids should aspire to and other, more academic professions (engineer, doctor, accountant, etc.) are seen as being for white people. Not saying all black kids think like that but way too many do, IMO. We can't be out here thinking that sports/rapping/acting are "black" professions to the exclusion of everything else. Basically there's too much focus on entertainment (as a means of making a living) in the black community IMO.

Here we go with blacks see things for white people shyt again. Its not that its just that alot of young blacks esp in the inner city don't see those professions you mentioned usually as profitable like athletes entertainers no more no less. nikkas crack me up with that line of thinking.