We need more black thinkers and less entertainers

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you were just in the silicon valley thread blaming racism, homophobia and misogyny for lack of blacks in SV

Which relates how? SV isn't a measure of succeeding and I made it clear that it shouldn't be held on a pedestal so my position is consistent.
 

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Which relates how? SV isn't a measure of succeeding and I made it clear that it shouldn't be held on a pedestal so my position is consistent.

so if you dont blame racism then what do you think is the cause of black people being behind?
 

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I support initiatives to get more blacks into environments that prep them for success, but to what end?

Its not elitist to think of them as a lost cause....but there are lot of lost causes. Lets be real.

Our standards are WAY too low

Da fukk? To get them on the right track and fix the community, what else would be the end? Blacks are losing their neighborhoods in the major cities of the most powerful country in the world I'd say that's a major end.:mindblown:

I disagree breh, its very elitist behavior I can practically hear the nose cuttin the air as it rises up on some extra snooty shyt. I won't disagree that there are some lost causes, but that's on both sides we can't think of this as only the poor ones being lost. But wouldn't cutting down on the lost causes be another thing that helps? How was a street gang in Chicago in the 1970s able to reign in its community, clean it up, open businesses, and open after school spots for the youth to do homework and play games but the best and brightest in our community can't even find the will to do half of that? That's what I mean by both sides are lost, there are poor people that think they really are just the caricatures our hijacked culture says they are because the better off people felt it wasn't worth it to invest in their own community.

Lookin to only one portion of the community is the height of low standards imo. You have no idea how many good people slip through the cracks just because of such dangerous apathy and indifference.
 

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You're kinda right but its nothin wrong with entertainment its an element to revolution. I think entertainers should just be more thoughtful people instead of buying into the idea that its cool to be ignorant. But we definitely need to diversify the industries that our community dominates in.


IMO, the problem with this is that the number of people in the hood aspiring to be athletes/entertainers is extremely disproportionate to the number of entertainer/athlete positions there are. Only a tiny minority of any group of people will find much success in these fields but that's what many if not most black kids aspire to. I remember in high school every other dude wanted to rap and was trying to get signed, shyt was ridiculous.

So I don't think "entertainment" per se is the problem, but the problem is that we have a culture where sports/entertainment is seen as something black kids should aspire to and other, more academic professions (engineer, doctor, accountant, etc.) are seen as being for white people. Not saying all black kids think like that but way too many do, IMO. We can't be out here thinking that sports/rapping/acting are "black" professions to the exclusion of everything else. Basically there's too much focus on entertainment (as a means of making a living) in the black community IMO.
 

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IMO, the problem with this is that the number of people in the hood aspiring to be athletes/entertainers is extremely disproportionate to the number of entertainer/athlete positions there are. Only a tiny minority of any group of people will find much success in these fields but that's what many if not most black kids aspire to. I remember in high school every other dude wanted to rap and was trying to get signed, shyt was ridiculous.

So I don't think "entertainment" per se is the problem, but the problem is that we have a culture where sports/entertainment is seen as something black kids should aspire to and other, more academic professions (engineer, doctor, accountant, etc.) are seen as being for white people. Not saying all black kids think like that but way too many do, IMO. We can't be out here thinking that sports/rapping/acting are "black" professions to the exclusion of everything else. Basically there's too much focus on entertainment (as a means of making a living) in the black community IMO.

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so you're saying we need to change black culture?
 

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IMO, the problem with this is that the number of people in the hood aspiring to be athletes/entertainers is extremely disproportionate to the number of entertainer/athlete positions there are. Only a tiny minority of any group of people will find much success in these fields but that's what many if not most black kids aspire to. I remember in high school every other dude wanted to rap and was trying to get signed, shyt was ridiculous.

So I don't think "entertainment" per se is the problem, but the problem is that we have a culture where sports/entertainment is seen as something black kids should aspire to and other, more academic professions (engineer, doctor, accountant, etc.) are seen as being for white people. Not saying all black kids think like that but way too many do, IMO. We can't be out here thinking that sports/rapping/acting are "black" professions to the exclusion of everything else. Basically there's too much focus on entertainment (as a means of making a living) in the black community IMO.

lol, everybody rappin now it makes you go :shaq2: when somebody hand you a business card and it *insert some bullshyt name* ENT but I figure they'll figure it out in time only a certain few have that knack to be artists. But you're right, it's a total imbalance but I think that goes back to the lack of tangible opportunities and lesser quality learning environments at these schools for people aspiring for those things. Not to mention, a lot of that might also come from today's need for instant gratification and reward and we already know anything that affects America in a negative way affects Black America much much more.

The Charter Schools(good ones with curriculums relevant and geared towards black youth) and Home Schooling networks can be a way to kill this imbalance in the next generations cuz ours is pretty much ruined.

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so you're saying we need to change black culture?

Can't change what you don't control. :yeshrug:
 

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A few paragraphs isn't an essay you sassy ass faggit. The point is to get control of the culture in order to change it. :camby:

im not disagreeing, im just smiling like a proud dad

when i said we need to change the culture, people looked at me all crazy and called me mean names, im happy that people are coming around to what ive been saying
 

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im not disagreeing, im just smiling like a proud dad

when i said we need to change the culture, people looked at me all crazy and called me mean names, im happy that people are coming around to what ive been saying[/QUOTE]

lol, my bad for snappin at chu then. But the reason why I'm typing so much is cuz not enough people think of the cause. Its no use to say we gonna change shyt until we own and control it first. But the change is necessary, what that change is is up to interpretation and I think that'll be the biggest issue. We need a common ideology that helps everybody from top to bottom.
 

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People can't be both?

Shiiiiiettt it USED to be that way. Muhammed Ali, Harry Belafonte, Gregory Hines, dikk Gregory TOO MANY. Them brothas were something else :banderas: but it was a different era. I remember watching a video where Ali told a story about getting denied service at a restaurant in downtown Louisville right after he came home from winning the gold in the olympics. The difference is, he didn't have Jerry Heller and others throwing money at him to brag about being seen as a "nikka"/push the contradicting idea that he'd "made it" just because he had that money, despite the open hostility and experiences he continued to experience :deadmanny: "even if you in a benz, you still a nikka in a coupe"-- the old heads were FORCED to keep mind of that, the new era has just been blinded by the bling


IMO, the problem with this is that the number of people in the hood aspiring to be athletes/entertainers is extremely disproportionate to the number of entertainer/athlete positions there are. Only a tiny minority of any group of people will find much success in these fields but that's what many if not most black kids aspire to. I remember in high school every other dude wanted to rap and was trying to get signed, shyt was ridiculous.

So I don't think "entertainment" per se is the problem, but the problem is that we have a culture where sports/entertainment is seen as something black kids should aspire to and other, more academic professions (engineer, doctor, accountant, etc.) are seen as being for white people. Not saying all black kids think like that but way too many do, IMO. We can't be out here thinking that sports/rapping/acting are "black" professions to the exclusion of everything else. Basically there's too much focus on entertainment (as a means of making a living) in the black community IMO.

I wish I could go back, I made a thread about this all back on :hamster: it's not just the idea that academic professions are "white", maybe in some cases, the more damaging stigma is the idea that said professions are seen as unattainable while sports/entertainment are seen as more likely :why:
 
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