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He isn't just a pitcher and you know this but continue to act obtuse.
Just doubling down on the bozo talk tonight.
Worse than RBI’s?
He isn't just a pitcher and you know this but continue to act obtuse.
Just doubling down on the bozo talk tonight.
so he would literally be second overall in WAR but you will completely ignore that - and shifting to Judge simply having a higher WAR isn’t even the terrible argument you’ve been making. I have no issues with Judge winning. You are basically disqualifying Ohtani to win MVP because he adds value both as a pitcher and a hitter? It makes zero sense, the MVP isn’t designed how you view it and I can’t believe we are still having this discussion. Would you not account for Mike Trout playing a great CF vs. a DH who doesn’t add anything defensively? Of course not, so how can you rationalize this take
The difference between Trout and say...David Ortiz who was a DH, is that both are position players. There's nothing prohibitive where a DH can't play defense. And most years, many DH's actively see small periods of time on the field. If a DH was an amazing hitter and an OF was an amazing hitter, each would have equal claim to an MVP award in my mind -- provided that their defensive values canceled each other out.
That's not the same as a player being a starting pitcher and full time hitter at the major league level and you are being disingenuous to even pretend it's in the same realm of argument.
The very fact that Ohtani CAN be mediocre on both sides of the plate, and accumulate as much overall value as 1 superstar on 1 side of the plate is the issue. It doesn't MATTER that Ohtani is above average on both sides this year. He's starting from an elevated opportunity position to begin with.
This is the very definition of bozo babble. @smitty22 would even blush at this nonsense.
I read no counter here.
The Braves are currently winning 9-5 against the Athletics.
With a win tonight, Atlanta will tie the Mets atop the NL East division.
How many fukking years do I have to be right on this board before you fukking losers listen to what I say?
Shouldn’t he though? Him being a plus hitter while also being a plus pitcher automatically makes him more valuable than somebody that just specializes in one of those areas. It should take a historic season to overtake him in MVP (which Judge is having) simply because what he’s doing is historic in itself.
tremonthustler1
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He also gets special accommodations that other pitchers don't get. He doesn't pitch every 5th day. When he hits the majority of the time, he's not playing defense. The league made a special rule just to keep his bat in the lineup even after he gets lifted off the mound. The league created an extra playoff spot just for his team to get and they've failed miserably. As a result, we have no idea how Ohtani would fare in a pressurized situation since he's never been in one.
The reason why this is being entertained so much is because MLB has given him the Zion push, the '93 Lex Luger push, the NFL Salute to Service push. If Ohtani was a Yankee, fukk the MVP last year. fukk this year's award. They woulda made him ineligible for ROY the way they did Matsui.
You think Ohtani being a Yankee would make him less popular?
As for the other argument, that could go both ways. If he focused solely on either pitching or hitting, one could argue he’d have even better numbers in that area. He pitches less than regular pitchers because he also has the responsibility of being his team’s best hitter. He doesn’t field a position because he has to be his team’s best pitcher. I really don’t see how that can be viewed as a negative against him.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Writers loathe giving Yankees individual awards. 2 years after giving Ichiro BOTH ROY and MVP (Sasaki the year before when he was 32) when Matsui came in, writers all of a sudden were like "
You think Ohtani being a Yankee would make him less popular?
As for the other argument, that could go both ways. If he focused solely on either pitching or hitting, one could argue he’d have even better numbers in that area. He pitches less than regular pitchers because he also has the responsibility of being his team’s best hitter. He doesn’t field a position because he has to be his team’s best pitcher. I really don’t see how that can be viewed as a negative against him.
u ain't really a rookie" and gave it to Angel Berroa (De Lo Mio).Rarely do Yankees win stuff like ROY, MVP, even Gold Gloves are infrequent
