We are the Joneses - The Official Texas Longhorns Athletics Thread

[Numpsay]

I believe it. I always felt they were fearful of Saban 2.0. Plus, the optics of firing the first black coach in history, without giving him a fair shake. I think negotiations with Herman were shakey, and they are figuring, just give Strong a 4th year if they beat TCU. If he fails next year and they fire him, he got 4 years, no one will bytch. If he succeeds, UT is riding high.

Negotiations wouldn't get in the way of hiring Herman, politics just might, and this is in regards to UT Houston. It would behoove McRaven and company to stay on good terms with the City of Houston, hiring away their coach may or may not affect that. But they can't hire Herman and then he ends up leaving for another job anyway.

Strong is gone no matter what happens Saturday brehs.

 

[DAlbert]

Chip is now saying Strong's back if he wins on Friday. This is such a clusterfcuk.

@backinmyday @satam55 @jay211 @rantanamo

 

[rantanamo]

Nah. The BMDs do not have the power to force a University president out. His job isn't tied to athletics, he doesn't answer to them or the AD. Everyone is on pins and needles now because Fenves loves Strong and since Perrin is interim, Fenves might possibly be making the decision now. And the BMDs know if Fenves wants to keep Strong he WILL keep Strong no matter what they say. If this was purely a Perrin decision this would be done already. Remember Perrin is a BMD himself and was basically put into place to serve the BMDs interest. The wildcard here is Fenves. And the way 2016 is set up, expect the unexpected.

yes, they do. Their donations and support aren't limited to athletics. The President answers to the Board of Regents and Chancellor McRaven. The Board of Regents is filled with placements, appointments and plants. Rick Perry played this masterfully with his appointees that scrutinzed the UT system and UT. Look back on the Bill Powers situation. I don't know how this so called UT media can look at this situation and give this idea that Fenves has so much power. He only does if the BMDs don't care. That's what my post about what types of schools are run by whom. What I mean is, at a football school, the BMDs are making the decision for the president and they are organized in doing so. At a school that has moved on to be academics first, and the BMDs don't care as much or are being shut out, you have the President and AD making the decision. This was the real displeasure with Patterson. The BMDs pay the actual salaries and build the facilities. Even at the University itself, they are the ones building out the campus and influencing or directly appointing regents that create the policy direction of the school. You also have to remember UT athletics is a seperate financial entity from the University, which allows even more outside influence.

 

[rantanamo]

Texas just needs to accept that they will never be "texas" again...with TCU and Baylor being above average programs now that are going to have some 10 + win seasons here and there, with Houston growing into a power program, with A&M being an above average program, Texas is just never going to get the 5 star recruits across the line they need to compete with the alabama's and ohio states and clemsons of the world...

And while I know there is a racial component to people wanting Strong out...the boosters also want to win...say they get Herman...let his ass win 7 or 8 games 3 years in a row...they will want his ass gone to...

Also, Charlie laying down with his white wife every night...and wasn't he fukking some Louisville booster wife when he was there...who was also white? Sorry but I just can't quite reach militant levels to defend any black man who every time I turn around he laying with some white chick...

I hope he stays there and continues to do nothing at the program so my Horned Frogs can get back on to again

I don't know about all of this. Those with the money and influence just need to decide who they want to be. You can't be howdy doody University and win 11+ per year. Can't have multiple factions infighting. Can't be leaking shyt to the media to spite others and you certainly can't be taking your time with facility upgrades while the rest of the country is building at will. Oklahoma in the 2000s was far more of a recruiting threat than all of the current Texas schools combined, yet UT still outrecruited them and kept pace with the national bigs stealing away 5-stars. OU was legit going to National championship games, winning them and beating us head to head a lot. I just question the ability for these people to get it together without a monumental coach, which is a ridiculous requirement and a deterrent to getting top coaching talent. Its not impossible though. Perhaps they love Herman enough to unite and get behind him. He is one of us, so maybe that can help some.

I would also say the next coach faces a different situation than Strong did. The roster is rebuilt now and will have a significant number of starts and lettermen + a small recruiting class worth of redshirts and guys coming off of injuries assuming there isn't a mass exodus of players. The next coach should absolutely be held to a higher standard. If Strong somehow came back, I would think 8 or 9 wins minimum with close losses would be the standard. There's enough talent to win the Big XII next year.

 

[Numpsay]

yes, they do. Their donations and support aren't limited to athletics. The President answers to the Board of Regents and Chancellor McRaven. The Board of Regents is filled with placements, appointments and plants. Rick Perry played this masterfully with his appointees that scrutinzed the UT system and UT. Look back on the Bill Powers situation. I don't know how this so called UT media can look at this situation and give this idea that Fenves has so much power. He only does if the BMDs don't care. That's what my post about what types of schools are run by whom. What I mean is, at a football school, the BMDs are making the decision for the president and they are organized in doing so. At a school that has moved on to be academics first, and the BMDs don't care as much or are being shut out, you have the President and AD making the decision. This was the real displeasure with Patterson. The BMDs pay the actual salaries and build the facilities. Even at the University itself, they are the ones building out the campus and influencing or directly appointing regents that create the policy direction of the school. You also have to remember UT athletics is a seperate financial entity from the University, which allows even more outside influence.

Because Fenves does have the power to keep Strong if he wants to. There is nothing Perrin or the BMDs can do about it. Fenves is involved because Perrin is interim, if we had a full time AD in place Fenves would not be involved because it doesn't really have anything to do with his position at UT. Him being so heavily involved is what has some people on pins and needles because he can make a decision independent of the wishes of the BMDs because his job isn't tied to athletics. He doesn't have to take their input or even answer the phone for them. He can hire who he wants without any worry to his job because it doesn't really matter to him. If the BMDs cutoff support of the athletic department that would fall on Perrin, or whomever else follows him, not Fenves. The BMDs make the decisions for the AD not the president breh.

 

[satam55]

@rantanamo @macpat @dtownreppin214 I saw some interesting info on Herman on Shaggy:

Tom Herman - Page 100

Really interesting podcast from Blatant Homerism discussing the coaching changes and Texas with Football Scoop's Scott Roussel.

Roussel says that the biggest issue/obstacle to hiring Herman for Texas will be that Tom is going to want autonomy - he wants to run his program like Nick Saban does at Alabama or Bill B does at NE. Roussel says that Herman really wants the job but isn't going to take it if he feels like he's running a clown show.

TalkShoe - Audio

 

[Big Boss]

So if Charlie beats a 5-6 team that's gonna convince them he deserves another year

I don't buy it. I think he's gone but they want to wait till the end of the year. They probably didn't intend it to get leaked

Word

 

[Big Boss]

these former players kinda going at the players necks.

 

[satam55]

 

[Numpsay]

Not just a win but a blowout win.

I think all this talk is all for naught because I think we lose to TCU anyway


But it'll be nice to watch the fanbase squirm all weekend if we win.

 

[Frump]

Either they want him back or you don't. Your decision can't come on one game and how you win it. That's assinine

Unless their so worried about pr that people coming out in support of Strong have scared them into keeping him

 

[Ron Mexico]

Either they want him back or you don't. Your decision can't come on one game and how you win it. That's assinine

Unless their so worried about pr that people coming out in support of Strong have scared them into keeping him

They supposedly were all in on Herman again just because of the Louisville win which is just as stupid.

 

[jay211]

This is playing out just like I thought. They couldn't get a deal done with Herman. If Charlie wins tomorrow he'll be brought back

 

[lightskin jermaine]

Once again UT fukking up a golden opportunity.

 

[jay211]

Strong needs to immediately go hire LSU's Defensive coordinator.