We are living in a world of illusion

[MMS]

What do you mean by this?

In my opinion to be Jewish is to believe in 1 GOD (Jesus for the Christians) the one thing which separates Gods “chosen people” from others in the OT (and the Church from non believers today).

As far as those Greek/Egyptian/mesopotamia myth creation stories the problem is....

The all involve belief/worship of multiple gods/demigods as well as the stars... even Islam origin derives from ancient Arab tribes pagan moon god worship

And yes they come from the same source/culture and that explains the similarities to the Bible stories

The words and letters themselves

Deuteronomy 6:4

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.

One is Aleph. In ancient times vowels were sacred.

You cant spell Yam without Yodh Aleph Mem
Yam (god) - Wikipedia

Exodus 20:1-2

1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Its trickier than youd think

Sefer Yetzirah - Wikipedia

Sefer Yetzirah describes how the universe was created by the "God of Israel" (a list of all of God's Hebrew names appears in the first sentence of the book) through "32 wondrous ways of wisdom":

• Ten Numbers (Sefirot, the origin for the Sefirot of later Kabbalah)
• The Twenty-Two Letters of the Hebrew alphabet—
  • Three "Mother" Letters (Aleph, Mem, Shin)
  • Seven "Doubles" (Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaph, Pe, Resh, Taw)
  • Twelve "Simples" or "Elementals" (He, Waw, Zayin, Heth, Teth, Yodh, Lamedh, Nun, Samekh, Ayin, Tsade, Qoph)

 

[DoubleClutch]

I do kiruv. I'm the one changing stances.

I think your Kiruv is having a reverse effect on me than you intend it. But your effort counts for something since I’m learning new Hebrew language words that help me understand better what I believe.

My only question is why do you call Jesus Yoske?

When I look it up this is what I get:

The name Jesus is derived from the Hebrew name Yeshua/Y'shua, which is based on the Semitic root y-š-ʕ (Hebrew: ישע‎), meaning "to deliver; to rescue."

The literal etymological meaning of the name Yəhôšuaʿ (Joshua Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‎) has been various proposed as Yahweh saves, (is) salvation, (is) a saving-cry, (is) a cry-for-saving, (is) a cry-for-help, (is) my help.

Also I had some questions about ancient Hebrew language. What makes it more complex than something like, Japanese kanji for example?

Do you see it as more than just a language?

Do you know any good modern documentary or video that breaks down the history, complexity and meaning of words/phrases and how it came to be that way culturally

how did you learn everything you did about the language?

 

[DoubleClutch]

The words and letters themselves

Deuteronomy 6:4



One is Aleph. In ancient times vowels were sacred.

You cant spell Yam without Yodh Aleph Mem
Yam (god) - Wikipedia

Exodus 20:1-2



Its trickier than youd think

Sefer Yetzirah - Wikipedia

But you’re twisting scripture and contradicting yourself

It’s a nice play on words though

You gotta try harder than that

 

[MMS]

But you’re twisting scripture and contradicting yourself

It’s a nice play on words though

You gotta try harder than that

it sound crazy but in BC times they wouldnt write vowels or use them with common language

The Day of the Lord - Wikipedia.

Amos 5:18

Woe to you who long for the Day of the LORD! What will the Day of the LORD be for you? It will be darkness and not light.

why would Canaanites claim Yam is the adversary of Baal when Baal is killed by Mot

 

[DoubleClutch]

it sound crazy but in BC times they wouldnt write vowels or use them with common language

The Day of the Lord - Wikipedia.

Amos 5:18



why would Canaanites claim Yam is the adversary of Baal when Baal is killed by Mot

note Baal/Asherah OR Dumuzid/Inanna is a reocurring story depicted in the Old Testament that is actually describing the ancient story of Jesus/Mary

Like I said in the other thread this only holds weight if Jesus/Mary never existed and are just myths created and passed down from eras to era and culture to culture

If so then where does the myths end and true history begin?

Muslims/Koran teaches belief in the historical Jesus so are is Muhammad a fictional character and story as well?

Other (false) religions been trying to hijack, remix and reclaim the original stories of the Bible since forever (including Islam) and it still happens today

just look at the new Hebrew Israelite movement.

 

[MMS]

Like I said in the other thread this only holds weight if Jesus/Mary never existed and are just myths created and passed down from eras to era and culture to culture

If so then where does the myths end and true history begin?

Muslims/Koran teaches belief in the historical Jesus so are is Muhammad a fictional character and story as well?

Other (false) religions been trying to hijack, remix and reclaim the original stories of the Bible since forever (including Islam) and it still happens today

just look at the new Hebrew Israelite movement.

It is because the story of Jesus AND Moses are doctored...by whom and what the original names were are a mystery

Here is a suggestion that will throw you for a loop

Exodus allegorically describes caesarian section compare that to noahs flood/genesis loop (natural birth in water/trough)

also one thing to consider about scripture is the format they were originally written in:

no punctuation

the message we accept currently has been decided by many priests/rabbis/scribes/magi thousands of years our senior...but who can know what the real interpretation is meant to be

 

[DoubleClutch]

It is because the story of Jesus AND Moses are doctored...by whom and what the original names were are a mystery

Here is a suggestion that will throw you for a loop

Exodus allegorically describes caesarian section compare that to noahs flood/genesis loop (natural birth in water/trough)

also one thing to consider about scripture is the format they were originally written in:

no punctuation

the message we accept currently has been decided by many priests/rabbis/scribes/magi thousands of years our senior...but who can know what the real interpretation is meant to be

“the Bible was changed”

- people who practice a religion whose foundation is rooted in biblical figures/stories

“Jesus story was doctored” “He didn’t really say that.... he didn’t really die”

same claim by Muslims, Jehovah’s Witness, Mormons, Hebrew Israelites etc... who still “believe in Jesus”

Notice a trend?

I give you one thing, at least you don’t believe strictly any one faith or practice any religion

You’re free to speculate and entertain any and every religious theory that exists and be totally fine going deep down the rabbit hole but knowing nothing for sure.

If you accept the message you accept it’s from God why question it?

 

[MMS]

“the Bible was changed”

- people who practice a religion whose foundation is rooted in biblical figures/stories

“Jesus story was doctored” “He didn’t really say that.... he didn’t really die”

same claim by Muslims, Jehovah’s Witness, Mormons, Hebrew Israelites etc... who still “believe in Jesus”

Notice a trend?

I give you one thing, at least you don’t believe strictly any one faith or practice any religion

You’re free to speculate and entertain any and every religious theory that exists and be totally fine going deep down the rabbit hole but knowing nothing for sure.

If you accept the message you accept it’s from God why question it?

James 4:11

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. And if you judge the law, you are not a practitioner of the law, but a judge of it.

most understandings yield new understandings the more I meditate on things the more I see.

at the end of the day, you cannot with a good conscience look at just the Bible and ignore other histories and their beliefs and say with a straight face that you know.

especially when there are parallels. In my opinion, the parallels are where the truth lies. The peculiarity of many chapters of the bible are the numerical symmetries present underneath (both OT and NT)

 

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James 4:11


most understandings yield new understandings the more I meditate on things the more I see.

at the end of the day, you cannot with a good conscience look at just the Bible and ignore other histories and their beliefs and say with a straight face that you know.

especially when there are parallels. In my opinion, the parallels are where the truth lies. The peculiarity of many chapters of the bible are the numerical symmetries present underneath (both OT and NT)

I dunno about using words and scripture you don’t truly believe in as a criticism of me.....

And even if you were using that quote in contex, I don’t judge anyone especially someone else who is Christian or Jewish etc.... that believes the same as me.

Still we are all brothers here so....

I can show holes with your logic. Or just disagree with something I see as false or a lie without you taking offense

I just expose the contradictions and hypocrisy that exist in other religions

Same as many people do with Christians. It doesn’t bother me. I’m always open to debate. But I’ll always see things in black & white and right vs wrong

Obviously I look at all histories and cultures and other religions and I make my conclusions based on that.

But there will always be some element of faith above all and that’s what I keep trying to tell you

Like the Bible says “lean not on your own understanding”

 

[MMS]

I dunno about using words and scripture you don’t truly believe in as a criticism of me.....

.....

Like the Bible says “lean not on your own understanding”

James 4:11

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. And if you judge the law, you are not a practitioner of the law, but a judge of it.

meditate on that line

 

[MMS]

But you’re twisting scripture and contradicting yourself

It’s a nice play on words though

You gotta try harder than that

Yodh

Yodh - Wikipedia

Two Yuds in a row designate the name of God Adonai and in pointed texts are written with the vowels of Adonai; this is done as well with the Tetragrammaton.

As Yud is the smallest letter, much kabbalistic and mystical significance is attached to it. According to the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus mentioned it during the Antithesis of the Law, when he says: "One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Jot, or iota, refers to the letter Yud; it was often overlooked by scribes because of its size and position as a mater lectionis. In modern Hebrew, the phrase "tip of the Yud" refers to a small and insignificant thing, and someone who "worries about the tip of a Yud" is someone who is picky and meticulous about small details.

Much kabbalistic and mystical significance is also attached to it because of its gematria value as ten, which is an important number in Judaism, and its place in the name of God.[4]

Aleph

Aleph - Wikipedia

The Egyptian "vulture" hieroglyph (Gardiner G1), by convention pronounced [a]) is also referred to as aleph, on grounds that it has traditionally been taken to represent a glottal stop, although some recent suggestions[7][8] tend towards an alveolar approximant ([ɹ]) sound instead. Despite the name it does not correspond to an aleph in cognate Semitic words, where the single "reed" hieroglyph is found instead.

Note what the Vulture is protecting in her wings

Spoiler

Heh (god) - Wikipedia

Aleph - Wikipedia

Aleph is the subject of a midrash that praises its humility in not demanding to start the Bible. (In Hebrew, the Bible begins with the second letter of the alphabet, bet.) In the story, aleph is rewarded by being allowed to start the Ten Commandments. (In Hebrew, the first word is אָנֹכִי‎, which starts with an aleph.)

In the Sefer Yetzirah, the letter aleph is king over breath, formed air in the universe, temperate in the year, and the chest in the soul.

Aleph is also the first letter of the Hebrew word emet (אֶמֶת‎), which means truth. In Jewish mythology, it was the letter aleph that was carved into the head of the golem that ultimately gave it life.

Aleph also begins the three words that make up God's mystical name in Exodus, I Am who I Am (in Hebrew, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh אהיה אשר אהיה), and aleph is an important part of mystical amulets and formulas.

Aleph, in Jewish mysticism, represents the oneness of God. The letter can be seen as being composed of an upper yud, a lower yud, and a vav leaning on a diagonal. The upper yud represents the hidden and ineffable aspects of God while the lower yud represents God's revelation and presence in the world. The vav ("hook") connects the two realms.

Jewish mysticism relates aleph to the element of air, the Fool (Key 0, value 1) of the major arcana of the tarot deck,[10] and the Scintillating Intelligence (#11) of the path between Kether and Chokmah in the Tree of the Sephiroth[citation needed].

Mem

Mem - Wikipedia.

In the Sefer Yetzirah, the letter Mem is King over Water, Formed Earth in the Universe, Cold in the Year, and the Belly in the Soul.

As an abbreviation, it stands for metre. In the Israeli army it can also stand for mefaked, commander. In Hebrew religious texts, it can stand for the name of God Makom, the Place.

quite a coincidence that Yam is God of the Sea

 

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James 4:11meditate on that line

I dunno about YOU using words and scripture you don’t truly believe in as a criticism of me.....

And even if you were using that quote in contex, I don’t judge anyone, especially someone else who is Christian or Jewish etc.... that believes the same as me.

I don’t think you read my previous post

You keep trying to twist scripture on me

 

[The Unknown Hype]

NO matter how you look at it you still end up here. Peoples natural instinct seems to lead to evolving whether it be in speech or in how you operate. A lot of things that seem taboo now are only because you have knowledge of how things work and the issues that follow. Using constructs just makes things easier. Their are people alive today that probably have no knowledge of some of the basic constructs you used in your examples but is their way of life better or worse? Its hard to go backwards when you know too much.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Interesting that the majority of responses are intricate looks at religion

Cause that's one of the main things that confuse people

 

[MMS]

I don’t think you read my previous post

You keep trying to twist scripture on me

But there will always be some element of faith above all and that’s what I keep trying to tell you

Like the Bible says “lean not on your own understanding”