We are living in a world of illusion

[Poetical Poltergeist]

its all an illusion until those bills come due.

 

[MMS]

its all an illusion until those bills come due.

Spoiler

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/we-are-living-in-a-world-of-illusion.824646/page-33#post-44351481

 

[Ghost Utmost]

For the record:

Ancient holy books and other mythology are not textbooks in my opinion

The Brehs that are breaking the Bible down to the last molecule seem to be on totally different time than me.

To me anything that is known through rumors and folklore is subject to be a falsehood. Therefore the folklore has to pass the science and logic test before you can call it real

Those who believe just because their grandma taught it to them..

Those people are the main ones who are operating off of falsehoods

Mythology CAN BE some form of scientific observation. But to me you have to take the myth and run it through your modern investigative experimental process. And be ready to call bullshyt really fast

 

[JQ Legend]

Y’all really fukked up this thread with that religious talk

 

[MMS]

For the record:

Ancient holy books and other mythology are not textbooks in my opinion

The Brehs that are breaking the Bible down to the last molecule seem to be on totally different time than me.

To me anything that is known through rumors and folklore is subject to be a falsehood. Therefore the folklore has to pass the science and logic test before you can call it real

Those who believe just because their grandma taught it to them..

Those people are the main ones who are operating off of falsehoods

Mythology CAN BE some form of scientific observation. But to me you have to take the myth and run it through your modern investigative experimental process. And be ready to call bullshyt really fast

Ananke - Wikipedia

While Aeschylus, the famous tragedian gave us an account in his Prometheus Bound where the Moirai were called the helmsman of the goddess Ananke along with the three Erinyes:

Prometheus: Not in this way is Moira (Fate), who brings all to fulfillment, destined to complete this course. Only when I have been bent by pangs and tortures infinite am I to escape my bondage. Skill is weaker by far than Ananke (Necessity).
Chorus: Who then is the helmsman of Ananke (Necessity)?
Prometheus: The three-shaped (trimorphoi) Moirai (Moirae, Fates) and mindful (mnêmones) Erinyes (Furies).
Chorus: Can it be that Zeus has less power than they do?
Prometheus: Yes, in that even he cannot escape what is foretold.
Chorus: Why, what is fated for Zeus except to hold eternal sway?
Prometheus: This you must not learn yet; do not be over-eager.
Chorus: It is some solemn secret, surely, that you enshroud in mystery.

Here Prometheus speaks of a secret prophecy, rendered ineluctable by Ananke, that any son born of Zeus and Thetis would depose the god. (In fact, any son of Thetis was destined to be greater than his father.)

Tethys (mythology) - Wikipedia

Tethys was sometimes confused with another sea goddess, the sea-nymph Thetis, wife of Peleus and mother of Achilles

Briareus, summoned to Olympus by Thetis to quell a revolt against Zeus by Poseidon, Athena and Hera.

Hecatoncheires - Wikipedia





Qoph - Wikipedia

The origin of the glyph shape of qōp ( ) is uncertain. It is usually suggested to have originally depicted either a sewing needle, specifically the eye of a needle (Hebrew קוף and Aramaic קופא both refer to the eye of a needle),

Matthew 19:23-25

23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”…

Heh (god) - Wikipedia

 

[Marks]

And some people find pure symbolism boring


Matthew 13:17-23

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

[MMS]

And some people find pure symbolism boring


Matthew 13:17-23

The 2nd Psalm of David

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

 

[Koichos]

the real question is what is more true:

1. The allegorical representation
2. The literal representation

Each method is true on its own level. Even in regard to the laws, one cannot say that we take them literally; for when do we only avoid cooking a kid in its mother's milk?

 

[Koichos]

The words and letters themselves

Deuteronomy 6:4



One is Aleph. In ancient times vowels were sacred.

You cant spell Yam without Yodh Aleph Mem
Yam (god) - Wikipedia

יאם does not exist in biblical Hebrew. It is always spelled ים without an א (except in Yiddish). ימא, however, is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew ים, which is how Targum Unklus renders it (ימא is also how it appears in the Aramaic parts of Tenach [Daniyel 7:2-3]).

Exodus 20:1-2



Its trickier than youd think

The opening word in Sh'mos 20:2 is אנכי, "I" (as in "It is I,..."). (It is also roshai taivos/acrostic אנא נפשי כתיבת יהבית: "I Myself [lit. My soul] have written and given" - Aramaic.) The אנכי in question is "יהוה אלהיך"—ein od milvado!!

Sefer Yetzirah - Wikipedia

I highly advise against delving into kabbolistic works as that will only confuse you and lead you to draw false conclusions.

 

[Koichos]

I think your Kiruv is having a reverse effect on me than you intend it. But your effort counts for something since I’m learning new Hebrew language words that help me understand better what I believe.

That is something I do in my everyday life, not on here.

My only question is why do you call Jesus Yoske?

It's a Yiddish nickname, a diminutive of Yaishu (like 'Miritchke' for Miryom or 'Shmelke' for Shmuel).

When I look it up this is what I get:


The name Jesus is derived from the Hebrew name Yeshua/Y'shua, which is based on the Semitic root y-š-ʕ (Hebrew: ישע‎), meaning "to deliver; to rescue."

The literal etymological meaning of the name Yəhôšuaʿ (Joshua Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‎) has been various proposed as Yahweh saves, (is) salvation, (is) a saving-cry, (is) a cry-for-saving, (is) a cry-for-help, (is) my help.

The name ישוע Yaishu'a (Joshua) is the Aramaic equivalent to the Hebrew name יהושע Yehoshu'a (Joshua). ישו Yaishu (Josh) is the shortened form of ישוע Yaishu'a (Joshua).

Also I had some questions about ancient Hebrew language. What makes it more complex than something like, Japanese kanji for example?

Do you see it as more than just a language?

To answer that I would have to get into kabbolo which is outside the scope of this conversation. There are some things that may not be taught to non-Jews, and therefore should not be mentioned on a publicly-available site.

Do you know any good modern documentary or video that breaks down the history, complexity and meaning of words/phrases and how it came to be that way culturally

Unfortunately I don't. The foundation of my learning comes from compulsory Jewish education.

how did you learn everything you did about the language?

Cheider, yeshiva, kollel, shiurim. It doesn't hurt to have a chavrusa much more knowledgeable than I, either.

 

[MMS]

יאם does not exist in biblical Hebrew. It is always spelled ים without an א (except in Yiddish). ימא, however, is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew ים, which is how Targum Unklus renders it (ימא is also how it appears in the Aramaic parts of Tenach [Daniyel 7:2-3]).


The opening word in Sh'mos 20:2 is אנכי, "I" (as in "It is I,..."). (It is also roshai taivos/acrostic אנא נפשי כתיבת יהבית: "I Myself [lit. My soul] have written and given" - Aramaic.) The אנכי in question is "יהוה אלהיך"—ein od milvado!!

I highly advise against delving into kabbolistic works as that will only confuse you and lead you to draw false conclusions.

@2stainz

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

wait for the crash 3:06

Any one object is really countless parts that could be considered their own object. Or. Any single object is really a part of larger and larger "wholes". A countless number.

300 (number) - Wikipedia

306 = 2 × 32 × 17. 306 is the sum of four consecutive primes (71 + 73 + 79 + 83), pronic number,[5] Harshad number, and an untouchable number

 

[DoubleClutch]

This thread is

I’m officially lost

At this point I’ll just assume nothing is real and keep it moving. Salute to everyone for the posts/replies

Time to go talk to my local Rabbi

 

[GhettoTeK]

You have fallen for the illusion of an illusion

/thread

 

[Software]

I love the Matrix because of its philosophical themes

One of them is the idea that you're living in a dreamworld. A world of Illusion.

People take this "literally" (from the POV of the movie characters) and wonder if we are living in a computer simulation. We're not.

But we are living in a world of illusion. And just like in the Matrix the truth is not very far from where you are now, but it will fukc your head up.

Get out of here now if you are a Blue Pill Breh. Enjoy your digital steak without knowing the real.

Here are a few layers of programming you need to free your head from

Language:

the natural human is born without it. It's very handy, but is totally imaginary and very misleading if you think language is real.

Try to look at a billboard without reading the words. Impossible.

Simply put. A label can oversimplify a real object. If you label a person a terrorist, you've closed the door on him being a hero, a freedom fighter, a martyr. Depending on what side you're on, one side's thief is another side's Robin Hood. Any one object is really countless parts that could be considered their own object. Or. Any single object is really a part of larger and larger "wholes". A countless number.

Numbers and words are completely imaginary, but very useful to exchange important information. And now most words carry unimportant info and misinformation.

Dogma:

Lots of people BELIEVE in G-d. The only reason why is they were taught to by their parents. If you never heard of any religion before you were like 20 years old you would laugh your ass off at the things they portray as truth. I even know better than most of it, yet I can't shake the feeling of an angry G-d ready to destroy me. I think G-d is real but its not a humanoid in the sky. Its the essence and.consciousness of the entirety of existence. The One that everything else adds up to.

Myths are fine, but really examine The things people tell you. If it doesn't make sense then it was likely added for the purpose of manipulating the congregation and collecting money, not true wisdom

Optimism/Pessimism

Your expectation is what really controls how you feel. If you expect to be treated as an important person, but you get treated like regular people - you may be upset. If you already know you're not special then you're fine with normal.

To approach every situation as if its gonna go your way - optimism - is just setting yourself up for disappointment. A significant percent of the time.

Same with pessimism. You end up being surprised.when it works out, but.you spend the whole day before.the interview feeling terrible. So you're still adding bad vibes to everyday processes.

Things will neither always go well nor always go bad. So the permagrin or permafrown is just extra. You should know the odds and try your best but don't decide what the outcome will be before you see the outcome

I think this stuff all the time but you were able to put it into such succinct and descriptive words

Thank you for this post

 

[Software]

Imagination creates reality.
how mindblowing is that

I will only speak on the optimism portion, and say that I genuinely believe positive things happen to positive people.

This is true as well