Was Slavery and the Oppression of Blacks revenge for The Moors?

[SunZoo]

This is something I've thought about often actually.

I asked one of the 5% cats on here one while he was going on about how black folks created white folks in a lab and then banished them to caves and superiority this and that...and I just ask him, if that's true how in the fukk did we lose the upper hand? And when we had the upper hand, with how much certainty can you say that we were civil to our cac slaves. Is all this just revenge? He's like

It was funny but it's def interesting to think about. Seems like with everything else in the universe shyt goes in cycles. I believe humanity can get off this wheel at some point.

 

[Mowgli]

Yo my dude, like WTF!???? You're randomly throwing in arguments I NEVER even bought up...



Who the f*ck mentioned anything about Europeans conquering North Africa??? Again you're randomly throwing in sh*t.


A simple Google search would show you this...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Mali_Empire#The_Portuguese

And like I said there were no true powerful Berber kingdom's besides the Almoravids. Like said Arabs and Berbers were under the thumb of Western Sudanic kingdoms like Ghana, Mali and Songhai. Since those Western Sudanic kingdoms CONTROLLED the Saharan trade, which the Berbers and Arabs did not.

Here's another good example:

P. 43 According to Ibn Sa’id,

Berbers did NOT get their way in the Sahara.


A Trans Sahara Trade during the Roman period is myth that is no longer accepted by historians.


Do you even have proof that the Ghana Empire traded slaves to the Vandals. You guys keep bringing up slavery. Okay? Almost every state in history was involved in slavery, but the point is "slaves" were the blowest commodities of exportation from those Sudanic kingdoms like Ghana and Mali. They mostly exported Gold and salt. Which is why we know this:

- Africa from the Seventh to Eleventh Century, UNESCO, 1988

For the millionth time, there was NEVER any large volume of black slaves exported from the Saharan trade; until later around the 19th century, which was AFTER the Moors. Stop bringing up tired arguments.


Who the hell dismissed such things?????


Um...Yeah they were.

Here's how the Vikings described the North African Moors:
- Cambridge Medieval History

But more importantly, "With the exception of the bedouins, who were not part of the permanent military organization of the state, the Fatimid army was largely an infantry force composed of blacks. (Nasir-i Khusrau included the Masamida among the blacks)." - Yaacov Lev, "State and Society in Fatimid Egypt", 1987, pp 94

The "Masamida" were the MAIN "North African" Berber group of the Moors(they were literally the Moors), they were BLACK just as my source suggest:

Fatimid infantry included "sudani or 'black' African and even Masmuda Berbers from the western Sahara ..." - See David Nicholle'sThe Third Crusade 1191: Richard the Lionheart, Saladin and the Struggle for ... - David Nicolle - Google Books

Fatimid infantry consisted of "20,000 Moroccans (Masmudi Berbers), 30,000 Sudanese, 10,000 'easterners..." - Terrence Wise, The Wars of the Crusades, 1096-1291, 1974, pp 52

Ha!


What are you talking about???


No one is dismissing this. What I am saying is that there is no evidence to suggest there were large volumes of slaves being exported from the Sahel until later periods.


No sh*t? Who said I was arguing that??? I was arguing the opposite. And E-M81 has ROOTS in East Africa like the Berber language and people do. So the people carrying that clade would have been no different from "black Africans".


Evidence?




Simple research would tell you prior to the 14th/15th century that Moors soley meant people with "black skin". Arabs were not included as Moors until later times.

http://www.spainthenandnow.com/spanish-history/8th-c-al-andalus-invasion/default_134.aspx

Saracens was a general Muslim term and sometimes called Saracens. Moor was exclusive to BLACKS. The word "Moor" PREDATES Muslims and was meant to just mean the black people of Africa by the Romans. Heck we already know there were internal struggles between the Berbers(Moors) and various other Arab/Syrian/Spanish Muslim. So how the hell wasn't there a distinction.

Research try it.

 

[Mowgli]

Manetho states "during the reign of Tutimaos a blast of God smote us, and unexpectedly from the regions of the East, invaders of obscure race marched in confidence of victory against our land. By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of the gods, and treated all the natives with a cruel hostility, massacring some and leading into slavery the wives and children of others

The word race should tell you that this is bullshyt or whoever translated it was a bullshytter.

The concept of race didn't exist before christ.

 

[Blackking]

Somebody needs to tell me how kidstranglehold has all this knowledge

 

[fscballin]

The word race should tell you that this is bullshyt or whoever translated it was a bullshytter.

The concept of race didn't exist before christ.

false


christ never existed,

and israel was always viewed as a race of black people and this has been mentioned by greeks romans persons etc

"Some say that the Jews were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighboring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbors to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name. Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods."


tacitus

 

[KOohbt]

Somebody needs to tell me how kidstranglehold has all this knowledge

Right. Bout to pick this nikkas brain about the almoravids. I try and google but there is so much white supremacicst stuff its hard to find real facts about them. And those my ppls.

 

[Mowgli]

false


christ never existed,

and israel was always viewed as a race of black people and this has been mentioned by greeks romans persons etc

"Some say that the Jews were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighboring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbors to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name. Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods."


tacitus

I'm saying that you're quoting someone who existed 300 something bc using words like race. It's bullshyt

 

[Sensei]

I don't know whats up with yall. This Moor shyt a rest, its tired and played out,most nikkas don't believe all that hype. Of course you had black people in Europe since ancient times but it would be stupid to think they had a kingdom there and that all Moors were black.

You really don't know what you talking about.

Who the f*ck mentioned anything about Europeans conquering North Africa??? Again you're randomly throwing in sh*t.

Heres your quote word for word here what else did you say? Don't

Most people forget that the Moors themselves were enslaved by the Europeans after they were conquered. So how could they "help" Europeans in enslaving Africans. The Europeans that first found out lower West Africa were the Portuguese after they wanted to migrate more into the interior from coastal North Africa via sailing. When they did and wanted to raid for slaves, they were WHOOPED the Mali Empire(which was PASSED its prime) who WOULD NOT allow slave rading from foreigners whether it be Europeans, Moors, Arabs,etc.

Do you even have proof that the Ghana Empire traded slaves to the Vandals. You guys keep bringing up slavery. Okay? Almost every state in history was involved in slavery, but the point is "slaves" were the blowest commodities of exportation from those Sudanic kingdoms like Ghana and Mali. They mostly exported Gold and salt. Which is why we know this:

I said the Ghanian Empire had traded slaves to Roman merchants. I ain't say a damn thing about trading to Vandals,get your facts straight .How do you think they had black people in places like Rome and other Roman cities in ancient times. There have been grave sites excavated that have revealed , biometrics and skeletons that show Sub Saharan traits.

And like I said there were no true powerful Berber kingdom's besides the Almoravids. Like said Arabs and Berbers were under the thumb of Western Sudanic kingdoms like Ghana, Mali and Songhai. Since those Western Sudanic kingdoms CONTROLLED the Saharan trade, which the Berbers and Arabs did not.

Where do you get that from there were kingdoms like the Alauoite Dynasty in Morooco. And where is your proof that Mali and Songhai had Berber kingdoms were under each others thumb, sound like you making up shyt, those Sahelian kingdoms were on the other side of the Sahara.

For the millionth time, there was NEVER any large volume of black slaves exported from the Saharan trade; until later around the 19th century, which was AFTER the Moors. Stop bringing up tired arguments.

Wrong, Rome had many exotic animals from Africa like the Lion ,Jaguar, Peacock,and other exotic animals from the continent. Ivory and Gold which was found in Africa transported to Rome. Then YOU HAD BLACK SLAVES transported to Roman Provinces.

This is why you see some movies and TV series based on Roman living that have black gladiators and blacks there. Ie Spartacus and the movie Rome,do you research.

Saracens was a general Muslim term and sometimes called Saracens. Moor was exclusive to BLACKS. The word "Moor" PREDATES Muslims and was meant to just mean the black people of Africa by the Romans. Heck we already know there were internal struggles between the Berbers(Moors) and various other Arab/Syrian/Spanish Muslim. So how the hell wasn't there a distinction.

You didn't answer my question, I asked what was the name Europeans in the MIddle Ages gave to Arabs and Arabized Berbers?You still haven't answered, No fukking shyt Saracen meant muslim. If you say there were was a name exclusive to Arabs give it.

The name Moor was originally for people of the Roman province Maurentania which bordered Numidia, in turn Numidia was adjacent to Cyranecia (modern day Libya). At the time the people of that region were mostly black maybe,but that changed as people from all over the empire came in.

 

[Sensei]

The writings of Manetho, Tacitus, Josephus and others prove your statement to be 100% FALSE

haha actually passages like that actually prove my statement write, because they don't speak of an ancient Jewish Kingdom. If you are able to quote something that has record of King David,King Solomon (who was the richest there is),and Samson who was the strongest man alive then you are welcomed to do so.

 

[blockburna420]

Did any body bring up Noah and his son yet?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I don't know whats up with yall. This Moor shyt a rest, its tired and played out,most nikkas don't believe all that hype. Of course you had black people in Europe since ancient times but it would be stupid to think they had a kingdom there and that all Moors were black.

Yet you havent backed up a sh*t worth of evidence to even prove your case. While I already proved the Moors were black until at least the 14th century. You have not even addressed my sources stating the Vikings description of North Africans or the Masamida Berbers who were the largest Berber group of the Moors and were black. I'll just post this again in case you forgot:
, "With the exception of the bedouins, who were not part of the permanent military organization of the state, the Fatimid army was largely an infantry force composed of blacks. (Nasir-i Khusrau included the Masamida among the blacks)." - Yaacov Lev, "State and Society in Fatimid Egypt", 1987, pp 94

You really don't know what you talking about.

Actually I do. My arguments in this thread have already been backed up by sources. Have yours?

Heres your quote word for word here what else did you say?

Anyone could have interpreted that anyway. What I meant was that the Moors were conquered in Europe(which is what their kingdom was mostly in). This is what happened:

The Four Moors is the oldest and most popular monument in Leghorn, it symbolizes the winner of Medici against pirates in the Mediterranean Sea.

The monument consist of two parts, one in marble and the other one in bronze. The former, in Carrara marble, shows Ferdinando I dei Medici in the uniform of the Order of the Knights of St. Stephan, a navy establishment to fight the piracy which was an obstacle to free trade and the development of the growning Medicean port. Created by the Florentine sculptor Giovanni Bandini, it was terminated in 1595, but only in 1617 the statue was placed on its pedestal.

So I ask how can the enslaved(Moors) willingly help the enslavers(Europeans) in enslaving Africans?

I said the Ghanian Empire had traded slaves to Roman merchants.

And I still ask for freaking evidence!

I ain't say a damn thing about trading to Vandals,get your facts straight .How do you think they had black people in places like Rome and other Roman cities in ancient times. There have been grave sites excavated that have revealed , biometrics and skeletons that show Sub Saharan traits.

Um... Dur...dur...dur...dur... They were a result of areas Romans occupied???? I.e Egypt and Northwest Africa(Carthage). Duh! We already know the Romans employed a good number of Nubian mercenaries! And also Nubian elites lived in Roman occupied cities like York; look up "the ivory bangle lady"!

But more importantly it SHOULD be OBVIOUS to you that when Carthage was destroyed/conquered the Romans took MANY Punic slaves. Rome had many Punic citizens. So much that one of the Roman emperor Septimius was half Punic. Black Punics/Numidians were common in Roman. Are you serious with that captain obvious question??? Most of the blacks in Rome were due to conquest and them being citizens. Or the Nubians being employed.

Where do you get that from there were kingdoms like the Alauoite Dynasty in Morooco. And where is your proof that Mali and Songhai had Berber kingdoms were under each others thumb, sound like you making up shyt, those Sahelian kingdoms were on the other side of the Sahara.

The Alauoite Dynasty was during later times. And no ones making up sh*t dumbass. Its called researching and I even cited you a quote which you IGNORED. And hat does being on the other side of the desert have to do with sh*t? Are you serous. Its common sense that Mali and Songhai controlled gold and salt. Heck Mali controlled 2/3's of the freaking worlds gold!

"Mali was the source of almost half the Old World's gold exported from mines in Bambuk, Boure and Galam."

(--Stride, G.T & C. Ifeka. Peoples and Empires of
West Africa: West Africa in History 1000-1800".
Nelson, 1971)

"The rising European demand for gold, added to the perennial market in the Islamic states, stimulated more gold production in the Sudan, to the enormous fiscal advantage of Mali. In the latest medieval period overall, West Africa may have been producing almost two-thirds of the world's gold supply."

-- Ross E. Dunn. 1987. The adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim traveler of the fourteenth century

Are you flipping serious??? Of course Sahelian empires like Mali would dominate and control the flow of the Saharan trade! But anyways here's further proof that West African Sahelian kingdoms dominated the Saharan trade:

"Before the European discovery of America, West African mines were the most important single source of gold both for Northern Africa and Europe; it is estimated that two-thirds of all the gold circulating in the Mediterranean area in the Middle Ages was imported across the Sahara. This made the uninterrupted continuity of trade more important for North African rulers than their West African counterparts."

http://org.uib.no/smi/paj/Masonen.html

Wrong, Rome had many exotic animals from Africa like the Lion ,Jaguar, Peacock,and other exotic animals from the continent. Ivory and Gold which was found in Africa transported to Rome. Then YOU HAD BLACK SLAVES transported to Roman Provinces.

Still no evidence.

This is why you see some movies and TV series based on Roman living that have black gladiators and blacks there. Ie Spartacus and the movie Rome,do you research.

LMFO!!!! Are you seriously citing Hollyweird for your sources?

And btw I watched Gladiators and the blacks in the movie were stated to be Numidians; thus they would have been taken prisoners of war by the Romans since the Romans conquered the Numidia/Carthage.

You didn't answer my question, I asked what was the name Europeans in the MIddle Ages gave to Arabs and Arabized Berbers?You still haven't answered, No fukking shyt Saracen meant muslim. If you say there were was a name exclusive to Arabs give it.

Are you retarded or are you retarded. Which one?

I fully answered your freaking question by citing a source!!! Here I'll post it again if your slow.

The chronicler also refrains from talking about the invaders’ religion, and does not call them Muslims, or infidels or pagans; rather he refers to them in ethnic terms: Arabs (Arabes), Moors (Mauri), Saracens (Saraceni).

http://www.spainthenandnow.com/spanish-history/8th-c-al-andalus-invasion/default_134.aspx

So again which one are you???

Again Moors meant dark-skinned Berbers who were a common sight from the beginning of Moorish Spain. They came from the Maghreb and neighboring areas, and they weren't just soldiers but farmers, merchants, governors, scholars, poets, etc. Get over it.

The name Moor was originally for people of the Roman province Maurentania which bordered Numidia, in turn Numidia was adjacent to Cyranecia (modern day Libya). At the time the people of that region were mostly black maybe,but that changed as people from all over the empire came in.

Yet still no evidence. Nada. How come during the Moorish period non-Afrians describe the Moors/Berbers as black. It isn't even until the 15th century that we see non-black Berbers, but even still during the 19th century a significant number of Berbers were black! One example being even the RECENT Kabyles Berbers(who are now mostly white):
890 –“The Kabyles or Kabaily of Algerian and Tunisian territories…besides tillage, work the mines contained in their mountains…They live in huts made of branches of trees and covered with clay which resemble the Magalia of the old Numidians…They are of middle stature, their complexion brown and sometimes nearly black.” Written in The Encyclopedia Britannica: Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature Henry G. Allen Company p. 261 Volume I 1890.

Lets see how you ignore this

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Somebody needs to tell me how kidstranglehold has all this knowledge

I store/save sources I deem valuable from different sites on the cloud. Its the internet, knowledge is unlimited. You just have to search hard. But my knowledge is only limited to Nile Valley civilizations, the Greeks/Romes, Western Sudan and the Moors. Everything else I'm blank.

 

[Mowgli]

The "Moors" of Europe

Etymology

Variants of the term "Moor" have been used by many Europeans since ancient times as a general description for indigenous Africans. Contrary to popular belief, the term is not synonymous with "Islamic" or any specific Arab or African religion, civilization, or ethnicity.

The artist, Christopher Wren (1632-1723), specifically entitled this painting, "Le Maure", French for "The Moor"

The origin of the English term, "Moor," is the Greek word, "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" which refers to the Black Sea or "mavri spilia" which means "black cave." Ancient Greeks used the term to describe the complexion of Africans and (even today, some Greeks use "mavro" to refer to Africans, although in a pejorative manner).

One need not be a linguist to see the word's evolution from the Greek "mavro" to the Latin word, "mavrvs" (actually, "mavro" in the ablative, singular, masculine Latin form). The English transliteration is "Maurus" and the plural form is "Mauri," specifically used by ancient Romans in reference to Black Africans. Writers in both Greek and Latin specifically used the term as a racial identity. In the Epitome de Caesaribus (390s AD), we learn that Aemilianus was "a Moor by race." Procopius of Caesarea (500-565 AD), a Byzantine scholar who wrote in Greek, said in his History of the Wars, "beyond that there are men not black-skinned like the Moors..."

Even through the middle ages, the term (as well as the Spanish, "moro," the German "mohr," the Dutch "moor" etc.) continued to be used in reference to Black Africans. In one of the oldest Dutch texts (1300s AD), a Moor was described specifically as "black."

An image entitled, "Habit of a Moor of Arabia," from Thomas Jefferys' A Collection of the Dresses of Different Nations (1757-1772)

Further proof of the true definition of the Latin term "Maurus" can be found in early English-Latin dictionaries:

- "Maurus" was synonymous with "Moor," "negro," and "Aethiops" in John Etick'sA new English-Latin dictionary (1783)

- In A new Latin-English dictionary by William Young (1810), "Maurus" is a "black Moor"

- According to the Ainsworth's Latin Dictionary, Morell's abridgment by Alexander Jamieson, Robert Ainsworth (1828), "Maurus" means "black Moor"

The English term "Moor" also meant "Black" in English dictionaries and encyclopaediae prior to the 20th century:

- "Moor" meant "negro" or "black-a-moor" in A Dictionary of the English Language (1768) by Samuel Johnson

- The Encyclopaedia Londinensis (1817) by John Wilkes lists "moor" as follows: "[maurus, Lat. μαυρο, Gr., black.] a negro; a blackamoor."

- John Olgilvie's The Imperial Dictionary of the English Language (1882), a Moor was a "black man or negro"

Somehow by the 20th century, "Maurus" and "Moor" suddenly transformed into Berber and Arab -- a grave contrast to historical precedent.

Moors In Ancient and Medieval European History

The oldest depiction of St. Maurice in the Cathedral of Magdeburg, Germany

The ancient Romans thoroughly documented the lives of indigenous Africans to whom they commonly referred as the Moors. By the 4th century AD, the Roman army heavily recruited Moors for their exceptional skill in battle. One such Moorish general, Aemilianus (207-253 AD) as described in Epitome de Caesaribus (390s AD), was so skilled that he was made emperor in the Roman province of Moesia (Balkan peninsula), albeit for only 4 months' time.

Other skilled Africans were made Catholic patron saints, such as the popular St. Maurice or Mauritius in Latin as described in thePassio Martyrum Acaunensium (The Passion of the Martyrs of Agaunum) by French bishop St. Eucherius (434-450 AD). According to the text, St. Maurice lived around 286 AD and was believed to be part of the Theban Legion of Egyptian Christians who served in the Roman army under his command. St. Maurice's brigade was supposedly decimated for disobeying orders to kill Christians in Roman Helvetia (Switzerland). The oldest known physical representation of him, however, was not created until 1281 AD (a detailed statue now housed in the cathedral of Magdeburg, Germany; shown on the right).



A copy of Tabula Peutingeriana, the oldest known Roman map of northwest Africa (300 AD)

Neither Aemilianus nor St. Maurice were from so-called "Mauretania" (Latin: Mavritania) which is erroneously believed to be the name of an ancient Roman province along the northwestern coast of Africa. This particular region was neither called "Mauretania" in any known ancient literary text nor was it named after the so-called "Mauri tribe," as many modern historians believe. "Mauri" is merely the plural form of the Latin transliteration, "Maurus," as mentioned above. The oldest known map of that region (shown at right) shows its name was Tingi (or Tingitana in literature). Instead, Roman Catholic writers of the 5th-9th centuries AD used "Mauretania" synomymously with all of Africa, not any one particular region.


St. Zeno of Verona (unconfirmed date, but likely in Renaissance era), courtesy of David Monniaux

A well-known Catholic saint from Africa was Victor Maurus or Saint Victor the Moor, a martyr who supposedly lived around 303 AD (the date of the oldest known depiction of him might not be reliable since the church in which it is found, the Basilica of Saint Victor near Milan, was reconstructed several times and then nearly destroyed in World War II). The life of another African Catholic martyr, St. Zeno of Verona, was first recounted by 7th century Italian author, Coronato who affirmed that Zeno was an African native.


By 470 AD, following the fall of the Roman empire, Africans slowly began repopulating southern Europe, and by 711 AD, General Tarik ibn Ziyad al-Gibral, an Islamized African native whence the name, "Gibraltar," is derived, led a major invasion beyond that same peninsula. His fortress (shown below) is the earliest known medieval castle in Europe, built centuries before those of the Loire Valley in France. According to legend, the phrase, "Thank heaven for 711" comes from the overwhelming sentiment of relief experienced when Moorish civilization permeated the Iberian peninsula (Spain, Portugal and Andorra) and Southern France and replaced primitive Visagothic feudal serfdom. For over 750 years, the Moors would lead Spain into an unprecedented era of freedom of association, religion, education and enterprise.

"Moorish" Castle overlooking Gibraltar (700s AD)

A depiction of Moorish noblemen playing the board game commonly known as chess and one playing a harp in Alfonso X'sLibro de los Juegos ("Book of Games", 1283 AD)

The Battle of Roncevaux (778 AD) between Roland (left) and Marsile (right) in the Song of Roland, the oldest French book held in the French National Library

By 800 AD, the Franks began efforts to contain the spread of Moorish society to the south of the Pyrennees mountains. Much of the literature, lore and art that followed centered around the Franks' efforts to defeat the Moors. For instance, the Song of Roland(French, La Chanson de Roland, 1140-1170 AD), the oldest known French literary work, describes Frankish Charlemagne's (742-814 AD) long campaign in southern France. The text's account of a Moorish leader named Marsile, is as follows:

"Although Marsile has fled, his uncle Marganice remains, he who rules Carthage, Alfrere, Garmalie, and Ethiopia, an accursed land. He has the black people under his command, their noses are big and their ears broad, together they number more than fifty thousand. They ride fiercely and furiously, then they shout the pagan battle cry."

Then another African general whom the Franks called Abisme is described as follows:"In the forefront rides a Saracen, Abisme...He is as black as molten pitch."

"Wild Men and Moors," a tapestry (1350-1400 AD) depicting the ruling Moorish Strasbourgois of France/Germany (Boston Museum of Fine Arts)

A Moor in Spain, portrayed in a Cantiga (1200s AD)

One of the oldest images of the crowned "Freising Moor" c. 1316 AD

There were also several accounts of Moors in northern and central Europe, including that of the so-called "Freising Moor." The oldest known use of his image on any coat of arms was created around 1300 AD by Bishop Emicho of Wittelsbach in Skofja Loka, Slovenia. The town of Freising, Germany's oldest known coat of arms dates to 1362, which included the head of the Moor along with the bear he supposedly defeated while traveling with Bishop Abraham of Freising. The legend says that Freising's Moor was a servant, however, the crown atop his head may refute said legend. The archdiocese of Munich, Pope Benedict XVI, and several Bavarian municipalities continue to use depictions of the "Freising Moor" on their official coats of arms, a testament to the presence and authority of Africans in medieval Europe. Later, "Maurus" (in the form of Maurice, Moritz and Morien, etc.) became synonymous with not only the aforementioned, but numerous blacks of high regard. Sir Morien, for example, was a knight thoroughly described in the romance novel,Lancelot-Compilatie (the Hague Lancelot Compilation), the Dutch version of Lancelot(1300s AD) as "all black....his head, his body, and his hands were all black, saving only his teeth." Morien is the son of Sir Agloval and a Moorish princess whom Agloval met in Africa during his quest to find the holy grail. Sir Morien is also described as a "bold knight" who experiences racism while seeking transportation overseas to reunite with his father, saying "None will take me over the water since I am a Moor."

In the 1490s AD, Catholic rulers had begun to rid the Iberian Peninsula of much of its large Islamic Moorish population (as well as other people who practiced non-Christian religions such as Judaism). After waging a long war on Granada, Spain's Ferdinand V and Isabella I seized control of that region in 1492, promising to keep religious freedom. However, Cardinal Francisco Jimenez Cisneros began a large-scale Inquisition in 1499, including mass coversions to Christianity, persecutions, book burnings, and closings mosques and synagogues, and by 1502 Ferdinand and Isabella expelled all non-Christians, which included many Moors.

Portugal's King Manuel also expelled non-Christians, many of whom were Moors, by royal decree in 1496. The result was that some relocated to other parts of Europe where they became high ranking nobility as their knowledge and skill continued to be highly valued. Although most Moorish families of nobility (the origin of the term "Black Nobility") intermarried with Europeans, their surnames continued to link to their heritage. Family names such as Moore, Morris, Morrison, Morse, Black, Schwarz (the German word for "black"), Morandi, Morese, Negri, etc. all bear linguistic reference to their African ancestry. For example, the oldest Schwarz family crests even depict the image of an African, or "Schwarzkopf," ("black head" in German). Other families and municipalities adopted similar coats of arms which continue to exist in some form, demonstrating the important role Africans played in European history.


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[Bawon Samedi]

@Mowgli

Excellent post man! Indeed, the term "Moor" predates Muslims. It was used t describe Africans, specially dark skinned Berbers like the Masmuda. Later on during the 14th century it was used to describe Muslims in general. But yes, the word PREDATES repeat PREDATES Muslims. The earliest invading Moors of Iberia would have been described as black.

 

[Sensei]

Ay bytch nikka give me the name Europeans called Arabs,which according to you was a distinct name from Moors? Kaybles is not what White Berbers were called dummy ,its a name of a Berber tribe.

Your post are all over the place dummy. You're so stupid if Moors were vanquished they would of returned back to North Africa which many of them did so not that much Moors would be left back to enslave and by the time even the white Arab moors where breeded out. You said there was no greater Dynasty than the Almoravids I proved you wrong, the Aloutie had greater territory and bigger influence than the Almoravids

This kind of history doesn't get taught anywhere even Africans from the motherland look at this shyt sideways because its all hoopla. Only dumb ass no life losers waste their time learning shyt like this. I will say it again, some of the Moors were black but not all,all the pics you show are cool but they are many other pics which show them as Arab.


Moors also referred to the name of North Africans dude and Arabes were called that.Saracen meant muslim ,which more than likely referred to Arabs and Moors since they were of Islamic faith too.

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Heck Mali controlled 2/3's of the freaking worlds gold!

you dumb ass hell.

You already caught in your lies saying the Mali empire was whooped by the Portuguese or saying the Mali and Songhai Empire ruled over the Berbers sounds like Psuedo history.

Most people forget that the Moors themselves were enslaved by the Europeans after they were conquered. So how could they "help" Europeans in enslaving Africans. The Europeans that first found out lower West Africa were the Portuguese after they wanted to migrate more into the interior from coastal North Africa via sailing. When they did and wanted to raid for slaves, they were WHOOPED the Mali Empire(which was PASSED its prime) who WOULD NOT allow slave rading from foreigners whether it be Europeans, Moors, Arabs,etc.