Was King Tut Black or Arabic?

[filial_piety]

You're such a simple nikka. I don't need to prove anything to you, it's nikkas in here that done already dropped proof so now you scramble around talmbout where ya training and education. Cause training and education from white institutions is gon make you believe what I gotta say? I see through your c00n shyt.

Translation: I'm an ignorant nikka who has no training or education other than a few quotes from websites and predominantly black hip hop message boards; I've probably spent less than 30 seconds in actually thinking about or researching the issue outside of my computer.

Thanks for the warning in advance.

 

[fscballin]

lol


The Bible clearly states Jesus wasn't White but he definitely was not a straight up nikka

On the flips side, people who think Egyptians were some pure Black race that most of us come from are incredibly stupid.

you got any proof to back up these ignorant ass opinions?


if not

 

[filial_piety]

1.Why do people keep using the "Modern day Egyptians look like Arabs" when it's been posted in this thread multiple times that Muhammad's army conquered majority of the region, including Egypt, around 640 AD?

2. Generalizations are the mark of a person who is inept and inane.

3. Ancient Egypt predates all of those civilizations that you list from the Old Testament by 3000 years. The Kingdom of Kush clearly stands along side AE chronologically. Even in the Bible, it is mentioned that the Kushytes were black and saved the Jews from the Assyrians.

4. There is tons of DNA evidence and skeletal remains that support AE were significantly "Negroid."

5. Modern day Egypt may have more in common with the the Far East, but AE had very little in common, in comparison with their African counterparts. Where are the Pyramids in the Arab world? Ironically, it seems that cultures that DON'T come into heavy contact with Whites and Arabs, tend to build pyramids. This goes for AmerIndians and Asians, as well as Africans. Show me a Nordic pyramid, show me a pyramid that the Persians built?

6. How is Iraq and Iran closer to Egypt than an African nation?

7. Moses dates around 2000 BC. Jesus was 5000 years after the first pyramid. Zoroaster dates to around 600 BC. Muhammad dates 600 years after Jesus.

I'm not sure if I'm more entertained by the inaccuracy of your timelines or how you continuously mix and match your interpretation of the bible's timelines while playing pseudo historian on Ancient History. It's like one great big ball of self-esteem issues

Either way, you aren't going to convince me of what my previous opinion on the matter was--as I stated earlier before, I've seen this issue brought up more than dozens on message boards for more than a decade and it's pretty much the same thing over and over again. You're free to continue preaching to those who are willing to believe what you have to say, it's a free country my man.

 

[Malik]

Can't find the Diop quote because he spoke on this but, it's pretty interesting to me how all of Europe is white. Pale skinned, red haired people in Ireland. White. Pale skinned, blonde haired people in Germany. White. Olive skinned, dark haired people in Greece, Spain or Italy. White. All considered white. People in Scandinavia don't look fukk like people in the Mediterranean but, they're all listed under the same racial classification But when it comes to Africa, historians have this rigid classification on blackness. Nikkas have to look like Djimon Hounsou before they consider anything to be completely and undoubtedly, black when we don't even follow that bullsh*t today. We consider people that look like Lance Gross to be black. We consider people like Columbus Short black. And we consider people like Omari Hardwick black.

We consider all of those men to be Black in 2013. Blacks in North America have a wide variety of skin tones and complexions due to admixture with whites for 400 years but, we still consider all of them nikkas to be nikkas. I don't see how Egypt is different. They may have mixed with their Arab and European neighbors but, I bet if you took a picture of them, they'd look like something out of Red Tails. A wide palette of complexions. There'd be dark skin people like David Oyelowo and Elijah Kelley. There'd be brown skin cats looking like Nate Parker and Michael B. Jordan. And there'd be lightskin people like Terrence Howard. But most importantly, in terms of racial classifications today, they'd all be nikkas

 

[Poitier]

you got any proof to back up these ignorant ass opinions?


if not

Read through the thread. You haven't contributed any kernel of knowledge, I'd say it's you who should shut up and lurk more.

As far as Jesus being not being Black, that's cause logic and reason. I could care less to claim a a schizophrenic Arab, whose fairytales were used political leverage and as a power play, as African.

I'm not sure if I'm more entertained by the inaccuracy of your timelines or how you continuously mix and match your interpretation of the bible's timelines while playing pseudo historian on Ancient History. It's like one great big ball of self-esteem issues

Either way, you aren't going to convince me of what my previous opinion on the matter was--as I stated earlier before, I've seen this issue brought up more than dozens on message boards for more than a decade and it's pretty much the same thing over and over again. You're free to continue preaching to those who are willing to believe what you have to say, it's a free country my man.

The timelines aren't messed up. Find me a source that says these civilizations existed before 2000 BC. I'm more than able to counter with tons of evidence that the enslavement of the Hebrews dates to around then. And it makes total sense. If man came out of Africa and spread across the globe by 10,000 BC then of course Africa would have had a head start in creating the first civilization. You lack sound rationale.

 

[Nomad1]

Arabic, blacks wish he was 'black.'

He was black you fukking dork. Ancient Egyptians weren't even Arab .

 

[filial_piety]

Read through the thread. You haven't contributed any kernel of knowledge, I'd say it's you who should shut up and lurk more.

As far as Jesus being not being Black, that's cause logic and reason. I could care less to claim a a schizophrenic Arab, whose fairytales were used political leverage and as a power play, as African.




The timelines aren't messed up. Find me a source that says these civilizations existed before 2000 BC. I'm more than able to counter with tons of evidence that the enslavement of the Hebrews dates to around then. And it makes total sense. If man came out of Africa and spread across the globe by 10,000 BC then of course Africa would have had a head start in creating the first civilization. You lack sound rationale.

Jericho alone is estimated to be 10,000 years old (you can google that). Like I said, it's just entertaining to see that you've convinced yourself to speak with some major level of authority or expertise on the matter, especially when it's clearly inaccurate. And i'm not here to contribute a "kernal" of knowledge to your self-esteem (or lack there of), I just pointed out that, based on my estimation and observations--they aren't what I would consider "black." Rant, rave, hiss, suck your teeth and yell at the top of your lungs, it simply is't going to change my outlook on the issue.

 

[Nomad1]

Punt was in modern day Eritrea-Ethiopia. It's already a accepted fact in Egyptology that Punt was somewhere in East Africa, and recent genetic testing of babboons taken from trips that Egyptians took to Punt, confirms that it was in modern day Eritrea-Ethiopia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...opia-as-location-of-land-of-punt-1954547.html

Like I said before, its already a accepted fact in Egyptology that Punt was somewhere in East Africa. Yemen has been ruled out for a long time.

"The Location of Punt
In this section, I've provided various scholars' opinions on where the ancient Kingdom of Punt would have been located, based on the scarce information provided by the ancient Egyptians. Egyptologists have long since given up on locating Punt in Arabia Felix (Yemen), or equating it with the biblical land of Ophir and its "mines of King Solomon." In fact, there was also a land route that brought the products of Punt to Egypt; the "mountain of Punt" and its auriferous pools clearly lay on the borders of Kush, in the Nile Valley of Nubia. Scholars no longer feel a need to go as far as Zanzibar or Socortra or even to Somalia in search of Punt.The book of the pharaohs By Pascal Vernus, Jean Yoyotte, David Lorton, p. 150"

I think Punt was in North-Eastern Somalia. Egyptians heavily traded with the Somali's. There is this place even called "Puntland" in Somalia.

 

[Poitier]

Jericho alone is estimated to be 10,000 years old (you can google that). Like I said, it's just entertaining to see that you've convinced yourself to speak with some major level of authority or expertise on the matter, especially when it's clearly inaccurate. And i'm not here to contribute a "kernal" of knowledge to your self-esteem (or lack there of), I just pointed out that, based on my estimation and observations--they aren't what I would consider "black." Rant, rave, hiss, suck your teeth and yell at the top of your lungs, it simply is't going to change my outlook on the issue.

LOL. HOW CAN JERICHO EXIST IN 10,000 BC WHEN MODERN HUMANS HAD JUST REACHED THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH? DO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION AND PROGRESS? LITERALLY, FOR THAT TO BE POSSIBLE, AN ALIEN WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ZAPPED A CITY INTO PLACE. LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=when did jericho exist


Read up. There are SO many sources for you too choose from. Outside of the fact that Jericho has no evidence of ever actually existing, the EARLIEST that historians, scientist, and theologist are willing to place it is 1400 BC. Ancient Egypt was a Pre-Dynastic society in 5000 BC. 3600 years earlier.

 

[Malik]

Jericho alone is estimated to be 10,000 years old (you can google that). Like I said, it's just entertaining to see that you've convinced yourself to speak with some major level of authority or expertise on the matter, especially when it's clearly inaccurate. And i'm not here to contribute a "kernal" of knowledge to your self-esteem (or lack there of), I just pointed out that, based on my estimation and observations--they aren't what I would consider "black." Rant, rave, hiss, suck your teeth and yell at the top of your lungs, it simply is't going to change my outlook on the issue.

How will we ever go on?

 

[filial_piety]

LOL. HOW CAN JERICHO EXIST IN 10,000 BC WHEN MODERN HUMANS HAD JUST REACHED THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH? DO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION AND PROGRESS? LITERALLY, FOR THAT TO BE POSSIBLE, AN ALIEN WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ZAPPED A CITY INTO PLACE. LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=when did jericho exist


Read up. There are SO many sources for you too choose from. Outside of the fact that Jericho has no evidence of ever actually existing, the EARLIEST that historians, scientist, and theologist are willing to place it is 1400 BC. Ancient Egypt was a Pre-Dynastic society in 5000 BC. 3600 years earlier.

I think the problem is, that the point that you are unable to support is supported by inaccurate facts. You continue to toss around jargon and random dates as if you knew what you were talking about and you tangle yourself up in a litany of arguments draped in some self-esteem issues. It's just one big mess.

I simply googled Jericho and it came up in wikipedia and says the following:

GovernorateJericho
Founded9600 BC
Government
• TypeCity (from 1994)
• Head of MunicipalityHassan Saleh[1]
Population (2006)
• Jurisdiction20,300
Name meaning"Fragrant"
Websitewww.jericho-


I was there back in 2006, and what was their claim to fame? "The oldest civilization in the world and 10,000 years old"....I guess some guy on a message board who has neither the training or the education to support his/her conclusions is the one I should be listening to

 

[Broke Wave]

@thereheis is a Black Republican telling us that we have deep seeded self esteem issues.

 

[Poitier]

I think the problem is, that the point that you are unable to support is supported by inaccurate facts. You continue to toss around jargon and random dates as if you knew what you were talking about and you tangle yourself up in a litany of arguments draped in some self-esteem issues. It's just one big mess.

I simply googled Jericho and it came up in wikipedia and says the following:

Are you dense? OMG the tourist attraction Jericho used the slogan "oldest civilization"
Oh, you visited?
Did you not read that I said humans reached the ends of the Earth by 10,000 BC. We're talking about living, breathing civilizations, not some straw hut villages. I'm talking about in the Biblical context, which dates it to around 1400 BC, specifically the story of Joshua.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jericho
" Garstang discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BC, the time he believed the Israelites were on their conquest, that had apparently fallen in a dramatic fashion as opposed to being ruined by abandonment or decay from natural forces. Garstang's work thus reversed the conclusions of the earlier diggings."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
"The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[17] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[18] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[19]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
"Humans began to practice sedentary agriculture about 12,000 years ago, domesticating plants and animals which allowed for the growth of civilization"


The fact that you have me using Wikipedia as a source is beyond frightening and disturbing and shows how inane of an individual you are, gnat.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Sorry, but in your first point I think you are entirely off. I am not an archeologist, or a professionally trained anthropologist (and neither are you), so I won't pretend to debate the fine details or to translate written records of a language that I can't translate or speak on my own. But first off "Arabs" (however you choose to describe the people in that region) have always been there. It really isn't too hard to believe considering that Egypt culturally has far more in common with ancient cultures such as Sumeria, Babylon, Jericho and other civilizations that are closer chronologically and geographically proximity wise, than it does with anything in "black Africa" (however you choose to describe that) simply placed on their methods or record keeping, farming, weaving and tool making. I personally have been and lived in both Israel (as a student) and traveled to Egypt several times and guess what? The people in Eilot (a city at the very southern tip of Israel) look just like the people in the Sinai( roughly a few miles away across the border between Egypt and Israel) and neither of them are people that I would consider "black." They are probably about as isolated and as undisturbed (if that were a word) as they were 10000 years ago genetically.

Personally though? I could care less. I have far more pride in the history and the cultural contributions of "black civilizations" below the Sahara to be even bothered with the recoloring of the Ancient Egyptians. It really just floors me how much energy and emotion that some of you put into debating the very tippity top top top right hand corner of an 11 million sq mile mass of land that borders the Mid-East just to earn your respect from white people.

2. Yes, AA's are the only people who do believe Ancient Egyptians are "black"...the few exceptions are those blacks who are strongly influenced by AA culture itself.

3. Your third point was pure nonsense (nothing personal).

1. Ok, well I'm actually goin off of what archeologists and scientists have said on the subject. Just because you yourself don't know the language doesn't mean nobody does. Ever heard of the Rosetta Stone? Furthermore, you having been to Egypt and Israel in today's times gives you absolutely no real insight on people that lived several thousand years ago. You sound like a fukkin idiot if you think so. I literally lol'd when you mentioned Sumeria, Babylon, etc seeing as how they were once under Egyptian rule. And you say they relate more to anything in black Africa as if pyramids and temples of the same style dedicated to the same gods are not found in abundance throughout the Sudan. So was Nubia an Arab land as well? Better yet, why are there no pyramids throughout those places that you claim were the influence to Ancient Egypt? You tellin me the parent culture's had no ability to erect even somewhat similar structures? Egyptian works predate the works of those civs you named and it's been proven through carbon dating so it's science as well as history seeing as how all the historians of the day cite Egypt and Ethiopia as the sources of what they knew from philosophy to algebra. All this is documented, but what do I know nikkaz ain't shyt.

2. No, they aren't the only people. I'm a fukkin African and all my fam believes Egyptians were black. In fact, it's no question for any informed African that Egyptians were black. Whites have had the habit of stealing from Egypt since the Ancient Greeks and Herodotus himself pointed this out. He's also the same to have described the looks of Egyptians, I'm taking the word of an unbiased white man that was actually there over some bamboozled fukk like you.

3. The third point merely explained the 2nd point in more detail and it's not nonsense at all actually. From Ethiopianism came Black Nationalism, from Black Nationalism came Pan Africanism, and throughout this there was a peculiar appreciation for Ethiopia and when it was finally disproven that Egyptians were white or some race of people alien from the African continent then Egypt took on that role that Ethiopia had in the latter parts of the 19th and early 20th century. The idea is that black people that went through slavery draw on the glory of Africa to further instill pride within themselves. That's why, according to you, AAs seem to obsess with Egypt's blackness.

Slim, this shyt is like my hobby don't even fukk with me on this. If you want to believe your little public school definitions on what actually happened that's your choice but when nikkaz that have studied this shyt and still do drop knowledge don't disrespect cuz as is you sound stupid as fukk tryna flex that weak ass Arab argument. lmfao, Egyptians was beatin the shyt outta arabs and considered the lighter skinned peoples to be savages compared to themselves and the blacks of the Upper Nile.

Cuz, black people have been on Earth far longer than any humans, therefore had more time and a much more favorable environment to begin agriculture and human society. Egyptians was stuntin while Europe was still stuck in the neolithic, and all the little small states you named that these cacs like to prop up since it's more and more difficult for them to claim Egypt and be considered a legitimate scholar wouldn't of advanced as they did had it not been for Egypt. Get your weight up nikka and don't reply to me until you do cuz I ain't addressing any of those weak ass public high school history class notes.

 

[filial_piety]

Are you dense? OMG the tourist attraction Jericho used the slogan "oldest civilization"
Oh, you visited?
Did you not read that I said humans reached the ends of the Earth by 10,000 BC. We're talking about living, breathing civilizations, not some straw hut villages. I'm talking about in the Biblical context, which dates it to around 1400 BC, specifically the story of Joshua.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jericho
" Garstang discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BC, the time he believed the Israelites were on their conquest, that had apparently fallen in a dramatic fashion as opposed to being ruined by abandonment or decay from natural forces. Garstang's work thus reversed the conclusions of the earlier diggings."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
"The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[17] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[18] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[19]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
"Humans began to practice sedentary agriculture about 12,000 years ago, domesticating plants and animals which allowed for the growth of civilization"


The fact that you have me using Wikipedia as a source is beyond frightening and disturbing and shows how inane of an individual you are, gnat.

lol more jargon...you sound more ridiculous with each and every post.... "ends of the Earth" lol....nikka..yourself self esteem issues are deeper than I imagined.

The way you toss around random dates, "biblical context" , "Herodutus" and quote sources for which you have the lack of aptitude to interpret or professionally research is mind boggling.

Again, please describe your professional training and/or formal education on the matter.