Was King Tut Black or Arabic?
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Are you dense? OMG the tourist attraction Jericho used the slogan "oldest civilization"
Oh, you visited?
that dude used a tourism slogan as evidence
they were black
"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)
and
"must be placed in the context of hypotheses informed by archaeological, linguistic, geographic and other data. In such contexts, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography." ("Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999). pp 328-332)
King Tut's DNA results where posted in the first couple of pages...it's a huge diagram so you can't miss it...
He was Black with minor non-Black DNA
And Ramses III was comprised of something called E1b1a which is a "sub saharan" dna type. And I guess Ramses II is related to Ramses III so you do the math.
Ancient Egypt was an African culture.
"The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons..."
"Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization."
"The race and origins of the Ancient Egyptians have been a source of considerable debate. Scholars in the late and early 20th centuries rejected any considerations of the Egyptians as black Africans by defining the Egyptians either as non-African (i.e Near Easterners or Indo-Aryan), or as members of a separate brown (as opposed to a black) race, or as a mixture of lighter-skinned peoples with black Africans. In the later half of the 20th century, Afrocentric scholars have countered this Eurocentric and often racist perspective by characterizing the Egyptians as black and African....."
"Physical anthropologists are increasingly concluding that racial definitions are the culturally defined product of selective perception and should be replaced in biological terms by the study of populations and clines. Consequently, any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depend on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study. Thus, by modern American standards it is reasonable to characterize the Egyptians as 'blacks' [i.e in a social sense] while acknowledging the scientific evidence for the physical diversity of Africans." Source: Donald Redford (2001) The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt, Volume 3. Oxford University Press. p. 27-28 "
And geographically, its civilization was formed in Southern Egypt which by the way, is a place where the Egyptians are still Black.
"The major features of cultural and political development that led to dynastic Egypt originated in southern Egypt"
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Ancient_Egypt
As far as farming techniques, yeah Egypt as a nation did interact with other nations or groups and naturally engaged in trade and also naturally adopted ways and techniques etc...key word is adopt....they incorporated techniques into their own system
"Domesticated cattle came from the Sahara but may also have come from the Near East. Considering that wheat and barley agriculture was practiced in Asia (the Near East) 2,000 years before it was in Egypt, it is important to note that the early Egyptian way of life did not change abruptly at this time (around 5000 B.C.), which is what one would expect if Egypt had simply been peopled by farmers migrating from the Near East. These early Egyptians incorporated the new food stuffs and techniques—and likely some people—into their culture and society on their own terms."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Ancient_Egypt
filial_piety
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I'm not sure if your incoherence is tolerable at this point. Your lack of minimally required reading comprehension leaves far too much to be desired.
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filial_piety
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Please get some new cut and paste material lol. These blurbs have been passed around for at least 10 years now. You aren't going to convince me that they're black
Anything that you can possibly cut and paste, I've seen years before you were probably even legal drinking age. I
filial_piety
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Ethiopia/Aethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiops. Aithiops literally translates into "burnt face"Aethiopia was the region directly under Egypt (Herodutus' map below). I'm guessing before it was Nubia, Kush and Sudan, everything below Egypt was just Aethiopia. Whatever you want to call it......the Greeks made a point to reference that the cats down there looked a bit different
If the Greeks called those people "burnt face", then turned around and wrote that the Egyptians resembled them.....what does that tell you?
this buffoonish research. You can't even pronounce the names and titles in your own resources LOL.
I can just see these Cameron' lookin fools trying annunciate "Aithiops" "Hyperboreans" "Arimaspians" talkin " the Egyptians be black yo"
LOL.
Please get some new cut and paste material lol. These blurbs have been passed around for at least 10 years now. You aren't going to convince me that they're black
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this dude just blatanly dissmissed evidence from National Geographic, Oxford University and Routledge lol
but hey, I guess those pieces of evidence are not as good as tourism slogans lol
now yall know this dude is just a straight up white dude lol
only a white dude would mock black people like that lol
Malik
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He's a troll. I put dude on ignore pages ago.
Ethiopia/Aethiopia comes from the Greek word Aithiops. Aithiops literally translates into "burnt face"
was up bruh
hey, just to add what you were saying....and this will piss of all the racists in this board...
here's more top notch evidence that I have relating to your post
There are many links between ancient Egyptian and modern African culture, ranging from objects such as headrests to hairstyles such as the side lock, and this and other evidence support the idea that it was an African culture in addition to being geographically in Africa. For these reasons Egypt is seen by people of African descent as part of their cultural heritage and history. The concept of Egypt as part of Africa is not a new one. Some of the earliest travellers to Egypt came from the ancient cultures of Greece and Rome, including Greek philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, writers and poets who came to learn from the priests. To the Greeks and Romans, Egypt was an African country, and their artists depicted the Egyptians as Africans, with black skin and tightly curled hair, described by the Greek historian Herodotos in the fifth century BC as 'woolly'.
http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/ant/egypt/kemet/virtualkemet/faq/
filial_piety
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lol this cat referencing Oxford, and Routledge when he has credentials from neither of those institutions; when I myself have credentials from at least one of them.
Like I said, you can post to your heart's content, I've seen the cut and paste job numerous times.
The problem isn't necessarily your own ignorance and competence on this issue--what's alarming is that you attempt to pass off your ignorance as if it were some of credible knowledge that is disturbing. nikka you've been cutting, pasting and mentioned names (that I doubt you can even pronounce), dates and referencing the "biblical context"....when all I simply asked are what your credentials were.
Since then not a peep, and yet continue to post inane nonsense with some sort of perverted belief that you and the homeboys are actually making any sense. LOL.
Brown Ant
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He was black you fukking dork. Ancient Egyptians weren't even Arab.
No he wasn't you p*ssy ass fukkin bytch
I can understand white people using this tactic but, when a black person makes this argument, it's automatic face palm for me. When we were little kids in grade school studying these white history books.....did these books focus primarily on English history or were they full of the great and prosperous things the mighty European race accomplished over time as a whole?
Greeks make up less than 1% of the American population. So.....why were we studying Plato's Republic or reading the Iliad and the Odyssey in high school? That seems pretty weird to me. Seeing people that are of Western European origin being so anal about a Mediterranean civilization that they have no heritage in.
...uh, what?
We study the Illiad and the Odyssey in school because those works were translated to Latin and spread throughout Europe, becoming the basis of the literary canon in multiple nations and provoking study by multiple cultures.
You honestly believe we study Greek classics solely for racial reasons?
observe
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...uh, what?
We study the Illiad and the Odyssey in school because those works were translated to Latin and spread throughout Europe, becoming the basis of the literary canon in multiple nations and provoking study by multiple cultures.
You honestly believe we study Greek classics solely for racial reasons?
The Iliad and Odyssey were the first books that Europeans wrote..it was their first time showing that they had some intelligence..there were no books before by them before than..Egyptians had been writing 1000s of years before that..yes it is racial..it's racial that colleges are based around Greek society..when they got everything from the Egyptians
Colleges aren't based on "Greek society." University structure is based on medieval monasteries and guilds.
And you're still missing the point. It doesn't matter that books existed before Aristotle. My point is that the reason Greek classics are taught in school is because they were translated and spread throughout Europe, forming the basis for subsequent works and philosophies in several different European nations.
They're not taught in European countries because of racial superiority -- they're taught because the form the foundation for several different canons. Subsequent works by French/English/whatever philosophers trace their genealogy to the Greeks, so they start with that and base their educational system on it. "Race" is not the issue. African universities that teach ancient African epic poems are not promoting the superiority of the black race. They're just tracing their intellectual lineage.