VICE: Does racial resentment fuel opposition to paying college athletes?

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Dude, these idiots don't know a single thing about how a university functions, how a program works, how classes for athletes work, how the admissions process works, what an education is worth, how schools hide profits, the difference between state and private universities, the politics that drive the programs, the bait and switch the programs do with players who want to pursue serious educations and internships, the incestuous network of college and NFL coaches who trade favors, jobs, and control the draft stock of players (which forces so many players to behave like compliant servants, lest they slip from 2nd to 5th round and lose large sums of money due to a bad word from a strength and conditioning coach with an axe to grind), the absurd amount of time and labor required....

They just choose a side and find the "facts" that fit their argument, or parrot outdated, disproven, and cliche talking points of the people who are running the grift. As prevalent as this sort of thing is, it still blows my mind there are people who argue obnoxiously and passionately about something they have no real understanding of, nor any desire to understand. They have no stake in it at all, but they're blind to the reasons behind their inclination to argue.
Everyone knows these football programs and schools are dirty its no secret u aren't breaking any news.. All u are suggesting is to make this legal and easier for those programs to dominate. Thus killing off the other 95% of the programs that can't support the football program the way the top schools will be able to.

Stop it with this bullshyt about athletes can't succeed in academics when there are plenty of top football players majoring in engineering, business, etc. :francis:STOP IT. The education comes down to how bad the individual player wants it..........

And I do have a stake in this. As do the other 99% of students that don't play football at universities. Who do u think is going to be paying for the money they get? This should be an easy one for u being as smart as u are and knowing all u do about universities!
 

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Only 2% of college players go to the NFL every year. Paying players would make it great for that 2% of players, but the other 98% it would be terrible for. Can u not understand that? Only the top programs are making money the rest of these schools wouldn't have the money to keep up year after year. So how do u suggest these 100+ schools, that don't make any substantial profit from sports, pay their players and keep up with the 10-15 schools that can? Still waiting on anyone to answer that question
 

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Only 2% of college players go to the NFL every year. Paying players would make it great for that 2% of players, but the other 98% it would be terrible for. Can u not understand that? Only the top programs are making money the rest of these schools wouldn't have the money to keep up year after year. So how do u suggest these 100+ schools, that don't make any substantial profit from sports, pay their players and keep up with the 10-15 schools that can? Still waiting on anyone to answer that question
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Their free education, housing and meals is worth hundreds of thousands.

They're generating BILLIONS

How is their worth determined?

Fans who pack the stadiums for these big time schools are mostly college students who would show up regardless just for the social experience so I'm not crediting these players for attendance

The profits that NCAA receives for it's television contract is static and doesn't fluctuate based on how high or low they are on a yearly basis until it's time to renegotiate.

Merchandise sales, I agree that the select few players who move a ton of it should be compensated.

Then why pay Nick Saban $7 million? Why spend so much money recruiting?

If you could just put any product out there and people would watch, then why would they waste money?

The idea that individual players don't really matter that much is downright asinine.

Yes it is.. most athletes just don't give a fukk about their education. And that's their own fault.
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever heard. Most athletes just don't care about their studies. All they do is practice and go to class how is it difficult to focus on studies? They just don't WANT to..

Dude, it's the only way to be able to do their vocation. It'd be like forcing Michael Jackson to perform for a "college scholarship" instead of paying him. He's not trying to be a doctor or lawyer, he's trying to moonwalk. There's nobody in their right mind who'd argue that Epic records paying him in "tuition, room & board" would be adequate compesnation for him making Thriller.

Johnny Manziel, they estimated brought in $120 million dollars in ONE SEASON at Texas A&M.

NCAA study finds all but 20 FBS schools lose money on athletics

Yea let's pay all these student athletes when only 20 schools are making money from their athletic departments. Great idea fellas.

I don't know shyt about how universities work huh:deadrose:Most of these schools are losing money I though most people knew that.

Then, they go out of business, what's the problem?

Only about 20 schools are relevant anyway.

Pretty much USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida schools, and a few others win championships anyway.

I'm still waiting on one of u to respond on almost every university LOSING money from sports

Then don't have sports. Just like if you have a business that can't afford to pay it's employees, they don't make the argument that

Well then if the special little delicates are tired of being exploited then they can quit. It's not slavery. Nobody is forcing them to do anything.

We got young men and women out here struggling to pay their way through college, working multiple jobs, having no life outside of school and work, getting little to no sleep on a nightly basis and I'm supposed to feel sorry for some spoiled punk athletes most of whom get thousands of dollars worth of free shyt. Boo fukking hoo.

Oh eat a dikk. With your logic we shouldn't pay young musicians or actors who generate millions of dollars because there's lots of people in Hollywood struggling and working at waiters.

Guess what? A lot of these guys are training every day of their lives from the time they can walk to be able to play a sport. Don't get mad at them because they're better at what they do than anybody you've ever met in your life is at what they do.

If u pay for your own education, bills, food, etc u would know how valuable it would be to have all of that for free. And your earning power doubles with a degree from a top university vs not having a degree..I don't get how some of y'all are throwing that away like its nothing

Dude, if you told Justin Bieber, yeah, you sold millions of records, but we're not gonna give you money, we're gonna give you "education, bills, food, etc. . ", he'd look at you like:mjlol:.

There's no way you can argue that people who are literally generating billion dollar TV contracts and some of them are some of the most famous people in America at any given time (Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton were) shouldn't be compensated beyond room, board , & education

I was going to bring this up as well. Just let these kids go straight to the NFL if they think they are worth so much money and don't need an education or college coaching to get better. Once they go undrafted a free education, free place to live and all the free food u want will sound pretty good I bet

:yeshrug:Same thing happens in Hollywood all the time. Plenty of kids move to Hollywood to get famous and end up in porn. So what? It's their lives, we don't restrict people from opportunity just because it might not work out for them.

Yea not sure what u are arguing. If teams were able to pay players then every top player would be going to the same few schools even if they aren't getting playing time. Bama, OSU, a few others would be paying guys to come sit on the bench just so they don't go to certain schools:russ:This would cause the level of competition everywhere else to slowly die

That's a bad arguement, because guys want to go to the NFL. How would going to OSU to sit on the bench for 4 years benefit a guy who would want to be drafted no.1 in the draft?

It would benefit guys to spread out, just because they need the NFL to see how good they are, so they can really make the big, big NFL money.

Plus, why would Nike, Addidas, Under Armour, etc. . . want to sponsor bench players? They wouldn't.

A guy like Johnny Manziel was worth more at Texas A&M than he would've been being a back up quarterback at Alabama.

Oh yea btw I think you guys over value the athlete a little bit. Look at the top money making programs they either have always been historically big money or have coaches who are the reason the program is what it is.
Their are outliers like money manzeil and tamu but do you determine his worth after the season is said and done?

Let the free market do it. How do record companies determine a rappers value before he's made his first album? :sas2:

shyt will literally turn into a mini NFL over a long period of time. Will end up with only 30-40 D1 football squads


:dahell:How many companies are legit on their level competing with them?.. Exactly my point, thanks:hubie:

Only about 30 or 40 schools are relevant anyway. Most of these schools would be better off focusing on education only, like they do in the rest of the world?

Who the fukk told u athletes are being prevented from taking whatever major they want?:mindblown:

Dude, ESPN has done TONS of stories about how athletes educations from some of these major universities aint shyt, and how coaches tell them which classes they can and cannot take based on how much it interferes with football.
Same rationale a pimp uses when it's the hoes turning tricks and bringing in money :francis:

This is the post of the thread.

A pimp essentially says.

I take all of the hoes money because I provide a roof over their head, I'm the one who buys their clothes, feeds them, and gets them out of jail if they get busted.

If I let them have the money, then, they'd spend it on dumb shyt. I keep them organized.

How is this ANY different than the argument against paying players in NCAA?
 

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What school?

So now working a full time job and going to school is fukking nothing compared to playing football and tyring to go to school. Yall kill me:russ:

North Carolina State Univ.

The two might be comparable, but you know damn well that's not the norm (well, maybe you don't know). According to the Census, ~80% of undergrads works 20 hours or less per week. I'm betting it's most likely because many of them have parents who can support them financially, and want them to mainly focus on studies while attending. That's probably less likely for football and basketball players, who tend to be people of color, and from lower-income families. I only did a quick google search to find details on this topic, but I'd be interested to know of the 20% who works more than 20 hours (one source said 10% works more than 35 hrs), what percentage of those students end up graduating, and in what course of study. Again, I'm willing to bet engineering students who are forced to work 40 hours a week don't make it all four years.

But my larger point is you don't know what the hell you're talking about when you imply it's so easy to balance school and play a major sport. You didn't do it yourself, and couldn't possibly know how challenging it is. Sure there are exceptions, but not every kid is Myron Rolle. And the current exchange between the NCAA and student-athlete doesn't even begin to cover the expenses the average college student accrues.
 

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North Carolina State Univ.

The two might be comparable, but you know damn well that's not the norm (well, maybe you don't know). According to the Census, ~80% of undergrads works 20 hours or less per week. I'm betting it's most likely because many of them have parents who can support them financially, and want them to mainly focus on studies while attending. That's probably less likely for football and basketball players, who tend to be people of color, and from lower-income families. I only did a quick google search to find details on this topic, but I'd be interested to know of the 20% who works more than 20 hours (one source said 10% works more than 35 hrs), what percentage of those students end up graduating, and in what course of study. Again, I'm willing to bet engineering students who are forced to work 40 hours a week don't make it all four years.

But my larger point is you don't know what the hell you're talking about when you imply it's so easy to balance school and play a major sport. You didn't do it yourself, and couldn't possibly know how challenging it is. Sure there are exceptions, but not every kid is Myron Rolle. And the current exchange between the NCAA and student-athlete doesn't even begin to cover the expenses the average college student accrues.
Well yea athletes are only spending ~20 hours per week on football. Its not like they are spending 8 hours a day practicing and watching film.

Ok let's say an athlete dedicates 5-6 hours a day to football. Gets a good 9 hours of sleep everyday. They still have 10 hours a day to focus on school.. There's no excuse other than laziness breh. U can't convince me otherwise
 

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All about how bad u want it. One of my favorite quotes "When you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe, then you will be successful"

Playing football is definitely NOT an excuse to not excel in school.
 

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They're generating BILLIONS



Then why pay Nick Saban $7 million? Why spend so much money recruiting?

If you could just put any product out there and people would watch, then why would they waste money?

The idea that individual players don't really matter that much is downright asinine.



Dude, it's the only way to be able to do their vocation. It'd be like forcing Michael Jackson to perform for a "college scholarship" instead of paying him. He's not trying to be a doctor or lawyer, he's trying to moonwalk. There's nobody in their right mind who'd argue that Epic records paying him in "tuition, room & board" would be adequate compesnation for him making Thriller.

Johnny Manziel, they estimated brought in $120 million dollars in ONE SEASON at Texas A&M.



Then, they go out of business, what's the problem?

Only about 20 schools are relevant anyway.

Pretty much USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida schools, and a few others win championships anyway.



Then don't have sports. Just like if you have a business that can't afford to pay it's employees, they don't make the argument that



Oh eat a dikk. With your logic we shouldn't pay young musicians or actors who generate millions of dollars because there's lots of people in Hollywood struggling and working at waiters.

Guess what? A lot of these guys are training every day of their lives from the time they can walk to be able to play a sport. Don't get mad at them because they're better at what they do than anybody you've ever met in your life is at what they do.



Dude, if you told Justin Bieber, yeah, you sold millions of records, but we're not gonna give you money, we're gonna give you "education, bills, food, etc. . ", he'd look at you like:mjlol:.

There's no way you can argue that people who are literally generating billion dollar TV contracts and some of them are some of the most famous people in America at any given time (Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton were) shouldn't be compensated beyond room, board , & education



:yeshrug:Same thing happens in Hollywood all the time. Plenty of kids move to Hollywood to get famous and end up in porn. So what? It's their lives, we don't restrict people from opportunity just because it might not work out for them.



That's a bad arguement, because guys want to go to the NFL. How would going to OSU to sit on the bench for 4 years benefit a guy who would want to be drafted no.1 in the draft?

It would benefit guys to spread out, just because they need the NFL to see how good they are, so they can really make the big, big NFL money.

Plus, why would Nike, Addidas, Under Armour, etc. . . want to sponsor bench players? They wouldn't.

A guy like Johnny Manziel was worth more at Texas A&M than he would've been being a back up quarterback at Alabama.



Let the free market do it. How do record companies determine a rappers value before he's made his first album? :sas2:



Only about 30 or 40 schools are relevant anyway. Most of these schools would be better off focusing on education only, like they do in the rest of the world?



Dude, ESPN has done TONS of stories about how athletes educations from some of these major universities aint shyt, and how coaches tell them which classes they can and cannot take based on how much it interferes with football.


This is the post of the thread.

A pimp essentially says.

I take all of the hoes money because I provide a roof over their head, I'm the one who buys their clothes, feeds them, and gets them out of jail if they get busted.

If I let them have the money, then, they'd spend it on dumb shyt. I keep them organized.

How is this ANY different than the argument against paying players in NCAA?
Too much ether
 

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All about how bad u want it. One of my favorite quotes "When you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe, then you will be successful"

Playing football is definitely NOT an excuse to not excel in school.
Are you excelling in school right now?

You think you'd excel if you also had to work to be one of the best football players in the country?

:comeon:
 

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They're generating BILLIONS



Then why pay Nick Saban $7 million? Why spend so much money recruiting?

If you could just put any product out there and people would watch, then why would they waste money?

The idea that individual players don't really matter that much is downright asinine.



Dude, it's the only way to be able to do their vocation. It'd be like forcing Michael Jackson to perform for a "college scholarship" instead of paying him. He's not trying to be a doctor or lawyer, he's trying to moonwalk. There's nobody in their right mind who'd argue that Epic records paying him in "tuition, room & board" would be adequate compesnation for him making Thriller.

Johnny Manziel, they estimated brought in $120 million dollars in ONE SEASON at Texas A&M.



Then, they go out of business, what's the problem?

Only about 20 schools are relevant anyway.

Pretty much USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida schools, and a few others win championships anyway.



Then don't have sports. Just like if you have a business that can't afford to pay it's employees, they don't make the argument that



Oh eat a dikk. With your logic we shouldn't pay young musicians or actors who generate millions of dollars because there's lots of people in Hollywood struggling and working at waiters.

Guess what? A lot of these guys are training every day of their lives from the time they can walk to be able to play a sport. Don't get mad at them because they're better at what they do than anybody you've ever met in your life is at what they do.



Dude, if you told Justin Bieber, yeah, you sold millions of records, but we're not gonna give you money, we're gonna give you "education, bills, food, etc. . ", he'd look at you like:mjlol:.

There's no way you can argue that people who are literally generating billion dollar TV contracts and some of them are some of the most famous people in America at any given time (Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton were) shouldn't be compensated beyond room, board , & education



:yeshrug:Same thing happens in Hollywood all the time. Plenty of kids move to Hollywood to get famous and end up in porn. So what? It's their lives, we don't restrict people from opportunity just because it might not work out for them.



That's a bad arguement, because guys want to go to the NFL. How would going to OSU to sit on the bench for 4 years benefit a guy who would want to be drafted no.1 in the draft?

It would benefit guys to spread out, just because they need the NFL to see how good they are, so they can really make the big, big NFL money.

Plus, why would Nike, Addidas, Under Armour, etc. . . want to sponsor bench players? They wouldn't.

A guy like Johnny Manziel was worth more at Texas A&M than he would've been being a back up quarterback at Alabama.



Let the free market do it. How do record companies determine a rappers value before he's made his first album? :sas2:



Only about 30 or 40 schools are relevant anyway. Most of these schools would be better off focusing on education only, like they do in the rest of the world?



Dude, ESPN has done TONS of stories about how athletes educations from some of these major universities aint shyt, and how coaches tell them which classes they can and cannot take based on how much it interferes with football.


This is the post of the thread.

A pimp essentially says.

I take all of the hoes money because I provide a roof over their head, I'm the one who buys their clothes, feeds them, and gets them out of jail if they get busted.

If I let them have the money, then, they'd spend it on dumb shyt. I keep them organized.

How is this ANY different than the argument against paying players in NCAA?
Lol yea all of this sounds nice in theory, but obviously this will never happen. ITs fun to imagine though I agree.
 

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Well yea athletes are only spending ~20 hours per week on football. Its not like they are spending 8 hours a day practicing and watching film.

Ok let's say an athlete dedicates 5-6 hours a day to football. Gets a good 9 hours of sleep everyday. They still have 10 hours a day to focus on school.. There's no excuse other than laziness breh. U can't convince me otherwise

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Are you excelling in school right now?

You think you'd excel if you also had to work to be one of the best football players in the country?

:comeon:
In some classes more than others. I also work 20-25 hours a week. I don't try nearly as hard as I could. Thats my own fault obviously.

And the "best football players" is such a small fraction we obviously aren't talking about them. They are the ones who benefit either way obviously and don't have to try in school. Its the other 99% that aren't going to be getting paid or going to the NFL and will have their scholarships and everything else reduced.
 
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Considering when many of these athletes come from, it is a blessing to get to a Big college all payed for. It is a major opportunity, not only for their athletic career but to actually study and make something of their life. They should be pimping the whole system whilst they're there. Train hard and study hard considering a lot of the time it is free.
 
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