VICE: Does racial resentment fuel opposition to paying college athletes?

Insun Park

Fukk Em
Joined
Aug 4, 2015
Messages
5,523
Reputation
-1,745
Daps
14,725
Not usually. The best I could find is about 10% of college students work 35+ hours while also attending full-time

And again, stop with this "for free" nonsense. These "punks" are providing a service, and generate billions, in some cases, in revenue for these universities. Their blood, sweat and tears provides funding for other programs in the school.
Well if the spoiled punk athletes feel like modern day slaves who are being exploited then why dont they quit? Nobody's forcing these whiny bytches to catch or dunk balls for free. Basketball players can go overseas and play for money right out of HS
 

NoMayo15

All Star
Joined
May 28, 2012
Messages
4,399
Reputation
265
Daps
6,144
40 hours in season is obviously counting the weekend. So like I said 5-6 hours a day. As u see if u keep reading the article. What am I missing?

And teh season is 3 months? Thats 9 months of offseason to focus on academics......

No, you idiot. Just because the season ends doesn't mean your commitment ends. In fact, there's probably more of a time commitment in the off-season. Again, you don't know what you're talking about, so just stop.

What you're missing is what I said earlier

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

Most other students don't have similar commitments and have time for studying and leisure. That's a luxury many student-athletes don't have.
 

Silkk

Thats My Quarterback :to:
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
191,337
Reputation
19,304
Daps
483,571
40 hours in season is obviously counting the weekend. So like I said 5-6 hours a day. As u see if u keep reading the article. What am I missing?

And teh season is 3 months? Thats 9 months of offseason to focus on academics......
Spring Practice is going on right now :what:

And there are also winter & summer workouts :what:
 
Joined
Jun 11, 2013
Messages
40,656
Reputation
6,192
Daps
107,843
Reppin
Birmingham, Alabama
Man no the fukk it wouldn't, these schools are not broke and one of the main reasons they're making so much money is because of the black college athletes. The amount of money those young black men generate for those white schools is criminal for them not to be compensated.
But as he also pointed out earlier only not all these schools are making money. And black men play for schools from D1 down to D3. The issue with saying "they aren't like regular students" is like well duh. They aren't applying for regular student jobs either. I'd be willing to go as far as saying athletes are probably better prepared for their "job field" than the average student on campus.
 

Walt

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
11,205
Reputation
11,854
Daps
68,581
Yes.

The rest of your post is moot, so STFU.

:dead:

Y'all really need to stop expending energy against brick walls.

People always tell on themselves in this discussion by the basic arguments they don't pursue, and where their indignation isn't directed. One student in my class was apoplectic because she heard from someone else the football players were getting meals from a steak house once a week for "free." Add that onto the scooters they get to ride around campus, and not only should they not be paid, maybe they owe the school some money back! Another student who had done better at researching the issue, and was generally more thoughtful, pointed out the football coach - who makes 5 million a year - had just hired his son-in-law to work for the football program, at a six figure salary, although the guy had no previous football experience whatsoever. He wondered what was the more egregious expense: meals to feed the talent, or over $100 thousand a year for multiple years paid to a man with no worth to the University? She simply doubled down on her argument, which basically boiled down to "people in authority shouldn't be scrutinized." It's a common line of thought among lemmings and dummies.

The logic behind all of the contempt for players and the indifference to the people actually running the grift has plenty to do with race and conditioned bias, and some to do with proximity and visibility. Reminds me of a time I had to check my lady, actually. I helped a local politician some with his campaign, and with raising money for a charity for which he was a board member. He's a real estate agent, and his office upgrades his iphone on their dime, so when he got his 7, he offered me his barely used 6+ as a token of his appreciation for my friendship and assistance. When my lady found out, instead of being happy for me (she hated my android phone and was harassing me to get an iphone) or seeing why he gave me this phone, she immediately got sour that she was stuck with an iphone4. "I wish I had a friend who would just give me a phone."

So I politely cursed her the fukk out, and broke down the self-serving, emotional rationalizing she was trapped in.

I. She never had a chance at getting that phone because she hadn't helped a friend with his political campaign, nor had she been the feature speaker at an event that raised $10,000 for a homeless shelter. I was a direct contributor to his personal advancements; she was just another person, like every other person in town.

II. That phone illustrates the difference between cost and value. In a vacuum, the phone is worth plenty. To a man who doesn't pay for his phone, and gets automatic upgrades without cost, the phone has a different value entirely. It was sitting in his desk, gathering dust. Its real value was in serving as a very convenient though inadequate payment for services rendered. If he wasn't a friend, and if I didn't want to write and deliver a talk to raise money for the homeless shelter, I would've laughed in his face if he tried to compensate me via his old company-purchased cell phone.

III. Her proximity to me made her reaction more emotional. Much like a child who sees her cousin has 3 new toys when she is stuck playing with 1 toy, all she can see it what she doesn't have and how it's just not fair. Context ceases to matter. It's the lowest form of pocket-watching. You're my age, in similar circumstance... you shouldn't have anything I don't get to have. It's a simpleton's mindset, an envy driven by a warped and ever-changing personal view of what other people and ourselves "deserve."

Similarly, the fan and the student feel on equal footing with the player. In fact, most feel a sense of superiority to the brute who they see as intellectually deficient (they don't deserve money because they would spend it on stupid things, they don't take education seriously, etc), lazy, and spoiled. To see them get money for their contributions to the University would throw off that feeling of equal footing and superiority. So even a weekly steak - and best believe the meals are a pittance in the context of the team's budget, and meant to help not just with team morale but also to make weight goals - or a goofy little scooter seem a bigger waste of money than the coach having access to a private helicopter and private car paid for with University money when he doesn't need the one and can easily afford the other on his own. Because these lemmings are conditioned to believe the authority figure has earned all his spoils - otherwise, he wouldn't be an authority figure.

Their thinking is so pre-conditioned that the most practical notions are alien to them. It's the kind of thinking vultures and grifters thrive on. It's the kind of thinking that accepts the grifter's perspective at face value. The kind of thinking that made the late night infomercial lucrative. Normally this advanced microfiber brow-cooler is worth $325; for the next hour we'll be selling it for 3 payments of $19.99! Next thing you know, a bunch of simpletons have paid $60 for a headband it cost .79 to manufacture in a foreign country, because they couldn't figure out the most basic tenet of capitalism: if someone is consistently selling a product at 400% loss, that person would not be able to afford a commercial, nor would that person have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

So the dummies keep believing Universities are losing money because of football! That's so weird, man! They keep losing all this money but they keep running these programs and expanding these stadiums. They are going fukking bankrupt but they keep paying coaches multi-million, long term guaranteed contracts. The school is in financial peril, but the strength coach makes $500,000 a year. Can you even believe it?!

Forget having direct, inside knowledge on how this all works, which I do. Detailed explanations of the imaginary worth of a football scholarship are readily available. Detailed explanations of how these institutions hide profits, and create positions and benefits to enrich their own so it looks like all the money is "spent" are easy enough to find if you put the effort in. Reports of middling teams paying tens of millions to their conference so they can jump ship to another conference where the revenue sharing will be more lucrative are out there if you want to use your brain and understand what's actually happening.

But the lemming leans on simple, nonsensical explanations that cater to his feelings of resentment and entitlement, as well as the laziness and disposability of the people who serve as fuel for the economic engine of these institutions, and oftentimes the entire local region, from restaurants and bars to hotels and car services, to the real estate market, where people purchase condos and apartments specifically for football weekends. Business is booming, staffs and facilities are expanding, salaries are increasing at an obscene rate relative to other university employees who actually do things for... you know... students. But the only people receiving scrutiny and scorn are the ones seeing no taste of the bounty. Because the schools are losing money, you see. They just keep doing this crazy thing that's losing them money, because they're so crazy. The state pays them exorbitant salaries to lose and lose and lose money, but we can't possibly eliminate the cause of this loss, because what would we do without the thing that loses all the money?

The lemming also believes with all his heart that paying players a meager stipend (and if they ever do pay these athletes, believe me, it'll still be a joke of a fraction of what they generate) would ruin this amateur sport! The entire system would crumble! How would all these people collectively making billions figure out to keep producing the product??? All of the good players would go to one school and only 3 schools would ever win and the fans would be oh so sad about it all and then the whole sport might just go away and what would we do then? Because there's no way that television execs, school administrators, corporate sponsors, and the assortment of movers and shakers who fatten their pockets every year would figure out a way to keep themselves in the money. No, of course not. They'd just throw up their hands and say "this shyt got too complex, man. I quit!"

:mjgrin::mjgrin::mjgrin:
 

How Sway?

Great Value Man
Supporter
Joined
Nov 10, 2012
Messages
24,594
Reputation
3,816
Daps
79,872
Reppin
NULL
I don't think college athletes should get paid:yeshrug:

not for the same reason as your typical cac though

I do agree with the post college compensation though.

and miss me with the modern day slave narrtive:camby: anybody who says that should be smacked
 

Remote

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Aug 29, 2013
Messages
79,110
Reputation
23,850
Daps
359,083
But as he also pointed out earlier only not all these schools are making money. And black men play for schools from D1 down to D3. The issue with saying "they aren't like regular students" is like well duh. They aren't applying for regular student jobs either. I'd be willing to go as far as saying athletes are probably better prepared for their "job field" than the average student on campus.
These schools that aren't making money (and Walt hinted at how colleges hide their dollars) still find the money to pay their head coaches millions every year.

:sas2:
 

TUA TAGOVAILOA

Superstar
Joined
Dec 2, 2012
Messages
18,476
Reputation
-225
Daps
16,149
Reppin
bama
Athletics cost colleges, students millions

The Knight Commission says Division I schools with football spent $91,936 per athlete in 2010, seven times the spending per student of $13,628. Division I universities without football spent $39,201 per athlete, more than triple the average student spending.

Nearly every university loses money on sports. Even after private donations and ticket sales, they fill the gap by tapping students paying tuition or state taxpayers.
 

Remote

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Aug 29, 2013
Messages
79,110
Reputation
23,850
Daps
359,083
:dead:

Y'all really need to stop expending energy against brick walls.

People always tell on themselves in this discussion by the basic arguments they don't pursue, and where their indignation isn't directed. One student in my class was apoplectic because she heard from someone else the football players were getting meals from a steak house once a week for "free." Add that onto the scooters they get to ride around campus, and not only should they not be paid, maybe they owe the school some money back! Another student who had done better at researching the issue, and was generally more thoughtful, pointed out the football coach - who makes 5 million a year - had just hired his son-in-law to work for the football program, at a six figure salary, although the guy had no previous football experience whatsoever. He wondered what was the more egregious expense: meals to feed the talent, or over $100 thousand a year for multiple years paid to a man with no worth to the University? She simply doubled down on her argument, which basically boiled down to "people in authority shouldn't be scrutinized." It's a common line of thought among lemmings and dummies.

The logic behind all of the contempt for players and the indifference to the people actually running the grift has plenty to do with race and conditioned bias, and some to do with proximity and visibility. Reminds me of a time I had to check my lady, actually. I helped a local politician some with his campaign, and with raising money for a charity for which he was a board member. He's a real estate agent, and his office upgrades his iphone on their dime, so when he got his 7, he offered me his barely used 6+ as a token of his appreciation for my friendship and assistance. When my lady found out, instead of being happy for me (she hated my android phone and was harassing me to get an iphone) or seeing why he gave me this phone, she immediately got sour that she was stuck with an iphone4. "I wish I had a friend who would just give me a phone."

So I politely cursed her the fukk out, and broke down the self-serving, emotional rationalizing she was trapped in.

I. She never had a chance at getting that phone because she hadn't helped a friend with his political campaign, nor had she been the feature speaker at an event that raised $10,000 for a homeless shelter. I was a direct contributor to his personal advancements; she was just another person, like every other person in town.

II. That phone illustrates the difference between cost and value. In a vacuum, the phone is worth plenty. To a man who doesn't pay for his phone, and gets automatic upgrades without cost, the phone has a different value entirely. It was sitting in his desk, gathering dust. Its real value was in serving as a very convenient though inadequate payment for services rendered. If he wasn't a friend, and if I didn't want to write and deliver a talk to raise money for the homeless shelter, I would've laughed in his face if he tried to compensate me via his old company-purchased cell phone.

III. Her proximity to me made her reaction more emotional. Much like a child who sees her cousin has 3 new toys when she is stuck playing with 1 toy, all she can see it what she doesn't have and how it's just not fair. Context ceases to matter. It's the lowest form of pocket-watching. You're my age, in similar circumstance... you shouldn't have anything I don't get to have. It's a simpleton's mindset, an envy driven by a warped and ever-changing personal view of what other people and ourselves "deserve."

Similarly, the fan and the student feel on equal footing with the player. In fact, most feel a sense of superiority to the brute who they see as intellectually deficient (they don't deserve money because they would spend it on stupid things, they don't take education seriously, etc), lazy, and spoiled. To see them get money for their contributions to the University would throw off that feeling of equal footing and superiority. So even a weekly steak - and best believe the meals are a pittance in the context of the team's budget, and meant to help not just with team morale but also to make weight goals - or a goofy little scooter seem a bigger waste of money than the coach having access to a private helicopter and private car paid for with University money when he doesn't need the one and can easily afford the other on his own. Because these lemmings are conditioned to believe the authority figure has earned all his spoils - otherwise, he wouldn't be an authority figure.

Their thinking is so pre-conditioned that the most practical notions are alien to them. It's the kind of thinking vultures and grifters thrive on. It's the kind of thinking that accepts the grifter's perspective at face value. The kind of thinking that made the late night infomercial lucrative. Normally this advanced microfiber brow-cooler is worth $325; for the next hour we'll be selling it for 3 payments of $19.99! Next thing you know, a bunch of simpletons have paid $60 for a headband it cost .79 to manufacture in a foreign country, because they couldn't figure out the most basic tenet of capitalism: if someone is consistently selling a product at 400% loss, that person would not be able to afford a commercial, nor would that person have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

So the dummies keep believing Universities are losing money because of football! That's so weird, man! They keep losing all this money but they keep running these programs and expanding these stadiums. They are going fukking bankrupt but they keep paying coaches multi-million, long term guaranteed contracts. The school is in financial peril, but the strength coach makes $500,000 a year. Can you even believe it?!

Forget having direct, inside knowledge on how this all works, which I do. Detailed explanations of the imaginary worth of a football scholarship are readily available. Detailed explanations of how these institutions hide profits, and create positions and benefits to enrich their own so it looks like all the money is "spent" are easy enough to find if you put the effort in. Reports of middling teams paying tens of millions to their conference so they can jump ship to another conference where the revenue sharing will be more lucrative are out there is you want to use your brain and understand what's actually happening.

But the lemming leans on simple, nonsensical explanations that cater to his feelings of resentment and entitlement, as well as the laziness and disposability of the people who serve as fuel for the economic engine of these institutions, and oftentimes the entire local region, from restaurants and bars to hotels and can services, to the real estate market, where people purchase condos and apartments specifically for football weekends. Business is booming, staffs and facilities are expanding, salaries are increasing at an obscene rate relative to other university employees who actually do things for... you know... students. But the only people receiving scrutiny and scorn are the ones seeing no taste of the bounty. Because the schools are losing money, you see. They just keep doing this crazy thing that's losing them money, because they're so crazy. The state pays them exorbitant salaries to lose and lose and lose money, but we can't possibly eliminate the cause of this loss, because what would we do without the thing that loses all the money?

The lemming also believes with all his heart that paying players a meager stipend (and if they ever do pay these athletes, believe me, it'll still be a joke of a fraction of what they generate) would ruin this amateur sport! The entire system would crumble! How would all these people collectively making billions figure out to keep producing the product??? All of the good players would go to one school and only 3 schools would ever win and the fans would be oh so sad about it all and then the whole sport might just go away and what would we do then? Because there's no way that television execs, school administrators, corporate sponsors, and the assortment of movers and shakers who fatten their pockets every year would figure out a way to keep themselves in the money. No, of course not. They'd just throw up their hands and say "this shyt got too complex, man. I quit!"

:mjgrin::mjgrin::mjgrin:
I know Walt didn't really want to get into this argument. I'm sure he's had it many times before.

But biting the bullet and crushing the buildings with this post was just so

:ohlawd:
 
Joined
Jun 11, 2013
Messages
40,656
Reputation
6,192
Daps
107,843
Reppin
Birmingham, Alabama
These schools that aren't making money (and Walt hinted at how colleges hide their dollars) still find the money to pay their head coaches millions every year.

:sas2:

That's true. But if you truly believe many of these athletes aren't compensated at some level, I have a bridge to sale you. I've lived in T Town, I seen Rod Grizzard go from not having shyt at Central Park to driving a Navigator on dubs on campus, I don't know if they getting money directly in their hands, but these dudes don't be hurting. And the good ole boy network usually has a job in place for the ones who don't make it.
 

delta

Superstar
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
4,265
Reputation
1,205
Daps
25,246
Reppin
NULL
fukk you and your CAC logic. Athlete work hard as fukk and typically earn a useless degree, all while generating millions for the university. Your typical CAC student studying accounting is actually a net negative towards the campus' budget and should therefore pay. Stop rehashing shyt arguments to hide your racial resentment.
See why do you have to go all militant is hilarious to me. Besides your default coli insult of calling another man white, you still fail to account for the point that the majority of D1 schools, especially those non Power 5 conferences, lose money on non bball / football sports. I'm not even sure what your argument is, actually. Pointing out facts means somebody is white? already said they deserved to get paid.

Paying athletes and having them get a legit degree would require a complete overhaul of the system and probably a complete seperation between the Power 5 and the NCAA. How likely is that? And Non-athlete College students do pay and work hard too. Lots of students work full time and school full time too. And those people graduating with 30k debt. Man there are tons of rich white football players on scholly. There are tons of poor students of every ethnicity. Did you want an actual solution?
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 11, 2013
Messages
40,656
Reputation
6,192
Daps
107,843
Reppin
Birmingham, Alabama
Athletics cost colleges, students millions

The Knight Commission says Division I schools with football spent $91,936 per athlete in 2010, seven times the spending per student of $13,628. Division I universities without football spent $39,201 per athlete, more than triple the average student spending.

Nearly every university loses money on sports. Even after private donations and ticket sales, they fill the gap by tapping students paying tuition or state taxpayers.

Which is why I say certain schools shouldn't even have athletic programs in the first place. Especially historically black schools.
 
Top