VICE: Does racial resentment fuel opposition to paying college athletes?

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I'm not understanding the argument about for only paying the top players.

There are people who are saying that only the top players should get paid.

So DeShaun Watson could get a few dollars, but not his Left Guard.

 

[Bilz]

There are people who are saying that only the top players should get paid.

So DeShaun Watson could get a few dollars, but not his Left Guard.

Yeah and they're the ones that need it most. I dont see why we are campaigning for the top few % to get even more money while everyone else gets nothing. This is Trumps world

 

[duckbutta]

Yea allowing the top schools to create a monopoly on high school kids while the other 100 D 1 programs flounder and go "out of business" like a company would sounds like a great idea. That wouldn't hurt the game at all

They already monopolize the high school kids anyway

 

[NoMayo15]

Yes it is.. most athletes just don't give a fukk about their education. And that's their own fault.
That's one of the biggest lies I've ever heard. Most athletes just don't care about their studies. All they do is practice and go to class how is it difficult to focus on studies? They just don't WANT to..

These schools put millions into training, equipment and nutrition and hiring the best coaches to make the players the best they can be. And if u take your education seriously u can have what's known as a career waiting for u after football. Which is worth a lot of money. Stop saying its not Its not like a 5 star athlete is going to play football for Villanova and making them any money. So how do we determine which athlete is worth what? That's the biggest problem..

If u take ur education seriously and get a good degree how is that not valuable? How is that a lie


Free education, free food and free living isn't being paid? I'm starting to think people that don't think that is payment are missing part of their brain.

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

 

[duckbutta]

I'm always amazed how Americans, who are laborers themselves, side with corporate interests over the labor force. People are corporate slaves and don't even realize it.

Because america does a masterful job of "those" americans (white people) feel like one day they can be the corporation and all the rules in plays to help the corporations will help them...

They realize it...they just think they can somehow rise above it...and they feel when they do...they want the same benefits that all the people who benefit from it now get

 

[Remote]

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

Exactly.

B-bu-but they're getting a $120,000 degree from Michigan!
Yeah, a $120,000 degree in music.

 

[Walt]

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

Dude, these idiots don't know a single thing about how a university functions, how a program works, how classes for athletes work, how the admissions process works, what an education is worth, how schools hide profits, the difference between state and private universities, the politics that drive the programs, the bait and switch the programs do with players who want to pursue serious educations and internships, the incestuous network of college and NFL coaches who trade favors, jobs, and control the draft stock of players (which forces so many players to behave like compliant servants, lest they slip from 2nd to 5th round and lose large sums of money due to a bad word from a strength and conditioning coach with an axe to grind), the absurd amount of time and labor required....

They just choose a side and find the "facts" that fit their argument, or parrot outdated, disproven, and cliche talking points of the people who are running the grift. As prevalent as this sort of thing is, it still blows my mind there are people who argue obnoxiously and passionately about something they have no real understanding of, nor any desire to understand. They have no stake in it at all, but they're blind to the reasons behind their inclination to argue.

 

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NCAA will now make $1 billion from TV rights

NCAA makes around billion a year just for March Madness. If that's not finesse then idk what is

 

[Oran "Juice" Jones]

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

Excellent point.

 

[Geek Nasty]

THink about this. What sports do people ALWAYS get mad about college athletes leaving early? Basketball and football

Not tennis, baseball, golf, hockey, soccer. I think hockey they had this high school phenom living with the coach! Only the sports associated with black athletes.

Why? Because the idea of a young black man making crazy money getting drafted out of college at 20, while Brad Whitewood is making $50K with his business management degree is against the laws of White Privilege. They can't stand it and I've had white make this argument to me without really understanding how racist what they were saying was. Like Shaq owes his college something when they make MILLIONS off his talents and he doesn't stay an indentured servant for 4 whole years. It's that "be grateful for what we gave you n***ers" attitude.

 

[Prodyson]

Education, books, room and board, gourmet meal plans, free transportation, fancy hotels, etc. That's easily 100 racks and above for 4 year players

Generally when your talking about compensation, you don't consider the mark-up price. It's based on wholesale prices. For instance, it may cost 30k to attend college for a year, but the actual cost of the education isn't 30k. It may actually be 10k, but tuition is hiked up to cover the 3 new buildings they just built on campus and the 5 buildings they're still paying for from 5 years ago.

So in all actuality, the true "worth" of what they're getting in return is probably nowhere close to what people make it out to be. Especially in comparison to what they're bringing in to the school.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

I'm wondering if you played a major sport for a D1 school. If you did, you would know the insane commitment athletic programs expect from athletes, sometimes at the expense of academics. But by stating "all they do is practice and go to class", all you've done is display your ignorance in this subject. You're expecting these kids who, lets face it, weren't accepted into these schools for their scholastic abilities, to train and study film for hours on end, day after day, so they can be perfect on the field. And on top of that show proficiency in an engineering or science course that even the average student, who was accepted purely on academics, might struggle with. What actually ends up happening is many athletes end up majoring in communications or AA studies or something that isn't going to lead to many high paying opportunities after graduation, because these tend to not be as demanding as, say, STEM majors. Some of them struggle even doing that.

So yes, it's a lie that athletes are getting a "good" education for free. If you knew the commitment it took to play football or basketball at a major university, you wouldn't say it was for free. In some cases, unfortunately student athletes aren't getting educated, and I think it's a misnomer to label those that are as receiving a "good" education.

No. Have u ever played football for a major D1 school? Ok so how would u know either? I understand the commitment. They spend 3-4 hours a day on football. I'm sure they can find an hour or two to study and do their homework every day if they really wanted to.

Someone working a full time job and going to school has it just as bad if not worse. They spend 40 hours a week working and are expected to still do well in school.

No its not a fukking lie there are plenty of top college athletes who major in something substantial. Most of these kids jsut dont fukking care about their education plain and simple..

 

[NoMayo15]

No. Have u ever played football for a major D1 school?

Yes.

The rest of your post is moot, so STFU.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Yes.

The rest of your post is moot, so STFU.

What school?

So now working a full time job and going to school is fukking nothing compared to playing football and tyring to go to school. Yall kill me

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think the objection to paying college athletes would still be there even without the racial aspect, it just wouldn't be as strong. People in power like control, even over other White people, whenever they can get it. The article didn't explicitly address exactly how much opposition there would be without racial resentment, just that there would be less. I didn't see where they said that it would be enough less that a movement to pay athletes could actually grow.

Everything else in that article was pure facts though, and applies to welfare, prisons, cities, and a lot of other shyt.

Education, books, room and board, gourmet meal plans, free transportation, fancy hotels, etc. That's easily 100 racks and above for 4 year players

The actual cost of college education is something ridiculous. Even full tuition understates it by a lot - most universities are subsidized by large endowments, so if there was no endowment and students were forced to pay the full cost of the services they got, it would run something like twice as much in a lot of cases. If you graduate with a degree, the university probably spent well over $200,000 on you.

All that being said, the way college athletes are compensated probably should be reformed. Professors and coaches both work for the school equally, but the coaches make a LOT more, because they drive a certain revenue stream. The same should be true for students and those student-athletes who drive revenue.