Verzuz Present: SWV vs Xscape | 5/8 8PM ET

[#1 pick]

:deillhuh: do you mean in energy/performance?

Swizz just saod swv had a wardrobe malfunction and it affected them in the 1st half

Performance. The main thing that matters on a Verzuz.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

:deillhuh: do you mean in energy/performance?

Swizz just saod swv had a wardrobe malfunction and it affected them in the 1st half

wasnt a malfunction, it was coko squeezing into a got damn corset

 

[spliz]

Atlanta is full of NY nikkas.

My half my family from ATL I used to be there every summer I know what it is. NYC is full of transplants as well but we never get that excuse. U can see in the difference in the DJ’s. One was dope. Played records from all over the country. And the other played records from one region/city, and was all over the fukkin place with transitions. Looked like a complete fukkin amateur.

 

[#1 pick]

i mean they had their time...xscape had a successful tour 3 years ago, but only so many times we (the women who grew up with them) gonna see them in concert.

but we're definitely in the era of looks >>> talent. neither group would be signed/pushed today

That era was looks>>>>>> talent too. SWV was fine as hell in 1992.

Taj was a legit model. Coko looked great in videos and LeeLee always had appeal.

This is how Xscape looked in the early and mid-90s. That wasn't cutting it if we were honest about it. JD created great music for them and that meant a lot.

Literally, all of Xscape members outside of Tiny looks better now in 2021 than in 1992. They are grandmas now.

 

[spliz]

you being sensitive like they was booing swv or some shyt. the crowd only got rowdy on do you want to being cut off which i understand, you down to the legit classics of these groups, you gotta let it play, especially when tiny out there putting on a whole ass show vocally

Son that was wack. In no other Versuz would some shyt like that have went down and been cool. That’s on the fukk ass DJ. Then SWV was supposed to close the shyt out and Xscape STILL came back with another song. SWV got done greasy. Not greasy enough to not enjoy the show. But greasy enough to see the bullshyt. Coko clearly wasn’t feelin that bullshyt.

 

[Wacky D]

Yeah en vogue is a little before. What you think of total

total was most likely the main group they were thinking of when they said that.

they dont want that comparison. total not messin with them.

i mean they had their time...xscape had a successful tour 3 years ago, but only so many times we (the women who grew up with them) gonna see them in concert.

but we're definitely in the era of looks >>> talent. neither group would be signed/pushed today

the game was already about looks before these groups got on.

SWV was hot, especially lelee.
xscape eventually found their look. they wouldve sold more records than they did, if they didnt look so rough out the gate,

 

[#1 pick]

Son that was wack. In no other Versuz would some shyt like that have went down and been cool. That’s on the fukk ass DJ. Then SWV was supposed to close the shyt out and Xscape STILL came back with another song. SWV got done greasy. Not greasy enough to not enjoy the show. But greasy enough to see the bullshyt. Coko clearly wasn’t feelin that bullshyt.

How was Xscape suppose to close things out? SWV started the 11th song.

 

[Jplaya2023]

total was most likely the main group they were thinking of when they said that.

they dont want that comparison. total not messin with them.





the game was already about looks before these groups got on.

SWV was hot, especially lelee.
xscape eventually found their look. they wouldve sold more records than they did, if they didnt look so rough out the gate,

Total got heat though that would be a great battle

 

[JustCKing]

JD putting out KK and working with TLC made him a name, I was introduced to him by those two and knew who TF he was and his clout in the industry by the time he debuted Xscape in 93 and Brat in 94

Knowing who he was =/= knowing he was from Atlanta.

 

[JustCKing]

Total got heat though that would be a great battle

This.

People underestimate Total because they weren't exactly known for vocal prowess. They have a lot of classic songs ranging from features to their own work. They have like continuous flow of classics from 1995 through 1998:

Can't You See

No One Else

Kissing You (and the remix which is like a whole other song)

What About Us

Trippin

Sitting Home

Features:

Juicy

One More Chance (original)

Loungin

Hypnotize

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That era was looks>>>>>> talent too. SWV was fine as hell in 1992.

Taj was a legit model. Coko looked great in videos and LeeLee always had appeal.

This is how Xscape looked in the early and mid-90s. That wasn't cutting it if we were honest about it. JD created great music for them and that meant a lot.

Literally, all of Xscape members outside of Tiny looks better now in 2021 than in 1992. They are grandmas now.

I don’t think SWV looked great, they weren’t ugly, but they weren’t exceptional. The 00’s started the real push of looks >> talent - Christina milian was signed to every hot label/producer group when it was clear no one gave AF about her, Cassie - same, tinashe, etc

talent (or the music you were given) still could carry you more than image. Not gonna act like it was just ugly women everywhere, but there were lots of very average looking singers (and rappers) vs the 00’s-early 10’s push of looks.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Knowing who he was =/= knowing he was from Atlanta.

I made it clear I knew he was reppin ATL. it didn’t take but a segment on the box or mtv or perusing word up to learn that. I also saw it on all the so so def cd’s...and I’m sure he repped in verbally on tracks but it’s past midnight, I ain’t digging thru old jd tracks

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Son that was wack. In no other Versuz would some shyt like that have went down and been cool. That’s on the fukk ass DJ. Then SWV was supposed to close the shyt out and Xscape STILL came back with another song. SWV got done greasy. Not greasy enough to not enjoy the show. But greasy enough to see the bullshyt. Coko clearly wasn’t feelin that bullshyt.

Swv wasn’t supposed to close out, they went first in the second half so xscape had the last song, that’s why xscape kept saying it’s not over/they’re not closing it out.

And you trippin, first, has any other VZ had a crowd like that other than jeezy/gucci? And had that been neutral ground, people would’ve yelled out for the same thing, if weak got cut after the first verse both groups and the crowd would’ve been like “that ain’t it chief, give them the full song”

lastly, I don’t think most people even give af about them being from NY, had they not mentioned it tonight it never would’ve crossed my mind. they wasn’t some NY representers musically, I don’t think I ever knew or cared where they were from during their run.

 

[NormanConnors]

That was my point. If you research it, you can't say they put a city on the map. Who really knew JD was from ATL at that point in time? He wasn't in the group. He was the producer. During that era of his career, there was nothing that directly tied JD to ATL. Even then, he wasn't even really known. This was his first really huge project. You didn't see JD in a Kriss Kross video and go "oh, that's JD".

1st Album had a east coast sound to it, 2nd a mix of east and west. 3rd album was ATL but dungeon family had already set it off by then
JD was a chameleon in regards to hiphop. He did his thing but I'd say dungeon family was more important to ATL there. Now R&B he has more stake.

 

[NormanConnors]

Atlanta is full of NY nikkas.

AND Detroit

One of the biggest disappointments in music is that the original members of EnVogue stopped making new music and broke up. Hard to name a group where all the members could sing lead and they were all dimes.

They were the last of those powerhouse female groups that thrived in the golden ages, would've easily been dope/put in work back then.